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Conspiratiorist posted:Unless you're 50 and/or die early, you're going to be alive to see the death of the ocean and the collapse of the Western Antarctic Ice Sheet. Have no worries about that. I hope I'm young enough to be part of the new greatest generation after fighting WWIII in the ice free arctic circle to wrest the oil reserves away from Russia. Maybe I can get a war bride from occupied Canada.
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Hello hello I want to donate some money someone tell me who I should give my money to.
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Oct 28, 2017 16:56
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someone who supports or at least tolerates nucular but hates coal
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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sitchensis posted:Matt Christman from Chapo Trap House: I can't believe I agree with someone from CTH. ALthough I guess their DSA Medicare for all guy is consistently on point too. Broken clocks and all that.
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sitchensis posted:Matt Christman from Chapo Trap House: I'm skeptical these marchers posses that level of awareness. Otherwise totally agree, neoliberals are already losing control even during these relatively good times and it's not hard to see reactionaries using upcoming ecological crises to advance their white nationalist agenda. I'd suggest right-wing immigration policy is already doing a LOT to desensitize westerners towards the suffering of (non-white) refugees. Incidents like the recent Mediterranean refugee boat deaths or Australian extra-territorial refugee camps have already led a lot of people to internalize that refugees dying or denied basic rights is just business as usual. As for how to help prevent this, I guess join your local socialist organization and try to lay the groundwork for the global redistribution option?
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Absum posted:Hello hello I want to donate some money someone tell me who I should give my money to. refugee agencies in general are a good choice right now
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:The blast radius of a few hundred nukes is smaller than the amount of acreage lost to wildfires per year by more than an order of magnitude. I imagine nukes probably hit a less carbonaceous area on average as well. What? No, it would never be a good idea to release tons of fission products into the atmosphere as a form of geoengineering. There are cheap methods of increasing atmospheric particulates, but basically nobody wants to do it because the strategy in itself is incredibly risky. No one in their right mind would use nukes.
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you know what, we don't have enough info on the effects of nukes on the atmosphere. I propose we nuke the poo poo out of mars to see the results, at least then we have a baseline to work from. the sectoids had it coming anyway
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Thug Lessons posted:What? No, it would never be a good idea to release tons of fission products into the atmosphere as a form of geoengineering. There are cheap methods of increasing atmospheric particulates, but basically nobody wants to do it because the strategy in itself is incredibly risky. No one in their right mind would use nukes. We're talking about nukes being irrelevant to the energy budget of the Earth altogether, not about half-brained geoengineering which we'll inevitably start trying around the 2050s. None of these are good ideas. Much like your posting.
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jesus christ can we loving nuke something already
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Minge Binge posted:jesus christ can we loving nuke something already please paint yourself white and stand outside. together we can solve climate change
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Always, more, always worse. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-41778089 Man, do I suddenly feel really tired.
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frytechnician posted:Man, do I suddenly feel really tired. It's probably the ever-increasing amounts of atmopsheric CO2  also, understatement of the century: BBC News: Record surge in atmospheric CO2 seen in 2016 posted:"Geological-wise, it is like an injection of a huge amount of heat," said Dr Tarasova.
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Don't worry. Everything will be fine. We will innovate our way out of this. Humans are very intelligent. Have you ever heard of a thing called Thorium?
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I went diving in Hawaii a few weeks ago and it makes me wanna irl kill myself, it's all loving destroyed compared to just ten years ago.
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frytechnician posted:Always, more, always worse. There's something to be said for not immersing oneself in climate news if it's impacting you physically. Yes, the planet is dying, but we still live in real good times compared to the historic mean. Get out and enjoy the fruits of industrial civilization while they're still around, don't have kids, and keep an exit bag handy once we start rolling into the mid-century.
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Wakko posted:There's something to be said for not immersing oneself in climate news if it's impacting you physically. Yes, the planet is dying, but we still live in real good times compared to the historic mean. Get out and enjoy the fruits of industrial civilization while they're still around, don't have kids, and keep an exit bag handy once we start rolling into the mid-century. personally im trying to play as many videogames as possible and do as little labour as possible before the lights go out, all generations have had to work, potentially only ours gets to play childrens games their whole lives
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You know how much you like your dumb, lovely kid? That's how much I like nature, and seeing it be tortured to death around me makes me anxious and depressed just like you seeing your kid tortured in front of your eyes would do the same. It's not a sign of mental illness to react to distressing experience or phenomena.Wakko posted:There's something to be said for not immersing oneself in climate news if it's impacting you physically. Yes, the planet is dying, but we still live in real good times compared to the historic mean. Get out and enjoy the fruits of industrial civilization while they're still around, don't have kids, and keep an exit bag handy once we start rolling into the mid-century. Like this kinda poo poo. No, actually, I don't gauge quality of life by how many flavors of Oreos exist or how fast my LTE is, sorry. I'd take the chance of dying of bacterial meningitis if it meant I could see those loving reefs again.
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Have you considered murdering the rich
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Have you considered murdering the rich break out the old guillotine. And learn to swim.
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Wakko posted:There's something to be said for not immersing oneself in climate news if it's impacting you physically. Yes, the planet is dying, but we still live in real good times compared to the historic mean. Get out and enjoy the fruits of industrial civilization while they're still around, don't have kids, and keep an exit bag handy once we start rolling into the mid-century. Two real dumb things here: 1. "Don't have kids" pretty profoundly changes your sense of purpose in the world. It's something I grapple with regularly since I sat down and caught up on climatology literature before deciding to have any. 2. Enjoying the fruits of industrial civilization gets hard when you notice the negative externalities that your consumption generates. The crux of our climate problem is a problem with our explosive desire for respiration. Respiration makes waste and we're drowning in our own poo poo. I don't think you get that some people just aren't into hedonism. The only real tool you have to get any solace from here is compassion for life, even if tending to it is only a temporary stopgap until a planet wide inferno strips off everything but archaebacteria.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:Two real dumb things here: This feels a little judgy given that 1) humans living with the sole purpose of breeding more humans is a significant part of why most complex life is about to be dead and 2) you can enjoy the benefits of having a hot shower on demand and being able to drive to a local state park without personally driving another dozen species into extinction. There's a big gap between unrestrained conspicuous consumption, hedonism-bot style, and acknowledging that life is going to be reverting to being brutal and short in the medium-term and going out for some tacos. I personally lean towards asceticism, and I try to appreciate daily the basic essentials that our way of life makes easy. Wakko fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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It makes you wonder whether knowledge about climate change drives people like those ITT to depression or whether people already prone to depression tend to seize on depressing climate change news. From a Buddhist standpoint, wallowing in self righteousness over how you're better than others because you aren't a hedon is just another unhealthy mental formation.
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I'm still hopeful. The future will most certainly suck in comparison to now but I have hope that the human species will beat this, eventually. There will no doubt be conflicts and horrors spreading across the planet as this thing gets worse, but I'm still hopeful that it will, eventually, be beat. Tech and innovation are going to be the key. Maybe they figure out how to slurp up carbon real good or how to refreeze the permafrost, maybe there'll be a bunch of artificial hellholes the lucky ones get to live in while others perish. Maybe there will be some geoengineering solutions, brasting the atmosphere with some aerosols. Cities paint all of their rooftops into reflective/white surfaces and somehow that works, and also blinds any airplane travelers looking out the window. Or some horrible cataclysms like super volcanoes dim the skies, replacing one hellscape with another. Perhaps we figure out AI and they become the new species to take over. Who knows. I'm not saying this just to come up with excuses to continue consumerism or hedonism or whatever, I don't really like either. I already try to consume as little as I can. I know it doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the big picture, and I know the odds don't sound too great right now, but I'm still hopeful. Only time will tell, I guess. You people should've elected Bernie.
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I would say it is probably more important than ever to experience any wildlife you still can. If there is a national park, especially a wooded one, take your time and see it.
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Gortarius posted:I'm still hopeful. Well, yeah. Life will persevere, and in 10 million years the planet might again see biodiversity comparable to what we have now. But that's not a timeframe that matters to humans.
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call to action posted:I went diving in Hawaii a few weeks ago and it makes me wanna irl kill myself, it's all loving destroyed compared to just ten years ago. call to action posted:You know how much you like your dumb, lovely kid? That's how much I like nature, and seeing it be tortured to death around me makes me anxious and depressed just like you seeing your kid tortured in front of your eyes would do the same. It's not a sign of mental illness to react to distressing experience or phenomena. Well! Nothing says "green" like luxury vacations requiring long-haul flights, spewing tons of CO2e into the atmosphere in the process.
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Thug Lessons posted:Well! Nothing says "green" like luxury vacations requiring long-haul flights, spewing tons of CO2e into the atmosphere in the process. no true
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:no true "Stop flying" is near one of the first things you should do to lower your emissions though. For a lot of the first world, it's up there alongside "Stop driving", "Stop eating ruminants", and "Stop living in single-unit housing" in terms of magnitude of CO2e emissions.
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And as an individual action it continues to be largely worthless.
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Flying is always contentious in this thread because you aren't actually reducing emissions by avoiding it, just your own personal carbon footprint. You need to affect aggregate demand enough to reduce the number of the flights, and then that inevitably leads into an argument about personal vs. collective action.
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Thug Lessons posted:Well! Nothing says "green" like luxury vacations requiring long-haul flights, spewing tons of CO2e into the atmosphere in the process. I'm never having kids and drive all-electric with full solar offset if you want to get into a CO2 dickwaving match w/ me, though I'm well aware immediate suicide would be better call to action fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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every poster itt needs to choose a species, not necessarily an endangered one, and devote their lives to helping that species make it through the climate apocalypse call to action, your assigned species is the bighorn sheep
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Paradoxish posted:Flying is always contentious in this thread because you aren't actually reducing emissions by avoiding it, just your own personal carbon footprint. You need to affect aggregate demand enough to reduce the number of the flights, and then that inevitably leads into an argument about personal vs. collective action. Okay, but if you have an explicitly moralistic understanding of climate change as punishment for man's sin of overconsumption, complete with goony denunciations of breeders and their crotch-spawn, the equation changes a bit. That guy's just a rank hypocrite.
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the old ceremony posted:every poster itt needs to choose a species, not necessarily an endangered one, and devote their lives to helping that species make it through the climate apocalypse i'm ok with that, i've seen them at my house once even! Thug Lessons posted:Okay, but if you have an explicitly moralistic understanding of climate change as punishment for man's sin of overconsumption, complete with goony denunciations of breeders and their crotch-spawn, the equation changes a bit. That guy's just a rank hypocrite. can you quote literally a single example of people using either of those terms unironically, if not, shut the gently caress up plz. you're literally making the al gore flys thus he is climate change dumb trump talking points, idiot and if we're talking hypocrites, the parents in the thread can step forward. like, my choice to fly or not doesn't reduce emissions by itself whereas you choosing to bring another average IQ contract worker into the world does, y'know call to action fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Oct 31, 2017 |
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The best species for climate change haven't even been invented yet.
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Trabisnikof posted:The best species for climate change haven't even been invented yet.
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Thug Lessons posted:Now he's talking about IQ scores And you're not taking at all, just ignoring everything people say.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:And you're not taking at all, just ignoring everything people say. What argument is there to address? That it's somehow not hypocritical to complain about greedy poor people daring to want a decent standard of living while you're on your Hawaiian snorkeling trip? Before he edited that post he admitted he "never claimed to be green" so that's really all I needed to hear.
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