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ProfessorProf posted:
...so, 1) Where was this version of Erika when she was the bad guy? 2) Why the hell didn't I think of that? I have brought shame upon this avatar. 3) Is this why you people have referred to us as "goats" before? EDIT: Is there anything special if you pick George and his family on the selection screen? EDIT 2: So Ange didn't go on a journey to find the truth after all. She went to AVOID the truth, because she couldn't deal with it, desperate to find any other explanation for what happened. idonotlikepeas fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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Oct 28, 2017 18:03
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idonotlikepeas posted:3) Is this why you people have referred to us as "goats" before? ahahaha.wav
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Oct 28, 2017 18:12
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idonotlikepeas posted:Is there anything special if you pick George and his family on the selection screen? I just went back to check, and no - it's treated the same as any other wrong answer (cuts to the next unspent Hint).
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Oct 28, 2017 18:17
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This is an auspicious day not only because the heroine is back and y'all have finally understood your goatness. It is an auspicious day because I BELIEVE you are now allowed to look at OMK Cross.
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Oct 28, 2017 18:33
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There's some teensy spoilers in Bern and Lambda's movesets, but it's basically fine now, yeah.
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Oct 28, 2017 18:34
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Rodyle posted:This is an auspicious day not only because the heroine is back and y'all have finally understood your goatness. Unless schoolgirl goat is that last character that was mentioned, that's unlikely. If it is that last character, that is glorious.
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Oct 28, 2017 18:34
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Cyouni posted:Unless schoolgirl goat is that last character that was mentioned, that's unlikely. Nope. It's this handsome fellow.  You don't get a PROPER intro in the main series but this is the scene he comes from.
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Oct 28, 2017 18:38
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Hello darkness my old friend.
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Oct 28, 2017 19:08
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Aww yes, there he is. I love Black Battler because he's a MASSIVE HAM in OMK, it reads like someone trying too hard to be a villain and I love it to bits. Is someone also going to do the little TiP he gets? Because I could probably whip that up if no one else will a little later in the story or after the whole thing finishes.
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Oct 28, 2017 19:46
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This is good.
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Oct 28, 2017 19:52
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It'll probably be worth getting into the OMK/C stories eventually. Every pair has their own storyline. Much like the tips, some are wacky omake fun time (Ange/Mammon I believe), others are arguably darker and more depressing than the main game(Shannon/Black Battler wooooof).
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Oct 28, 2017 19:53
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So pieces can only do things the original could, meaning Battler is capable of murdering Shannon and being complicit with the murder of the rest of his family? Huh. I would say something about surprising competence but Maria and George found him out pretty fast.
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Oct 28, 2017 20:20
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idonotlikepeas posted:2) Why the hell didn't I think of that? I have brought shame upon this avatar.
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Oct 28, 2017 20:21
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idonotlikepeas posted:
We can't possibly be goats, because we have no interaction with the story outside of writing fanfiction*, and even then, so long as the original story still exists, that does not affect it one whit. *And I count "speculating on who the real culprit is" as part of that fanfiction, since we are technically creating our own narratives that may or may not be supported by the Red Text when we do that.
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Oct 28, 2017 20:30
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Nevileen posted:Is someone also going to do the little TiP he gets? Because I could probably whip that up if no one else will a little later in the story or after the whole thing finishes. I was planning on doing all the remaining TIPS... a couple months back. I've been bogged down with ~issues~ ever since and I'm not seeing the motivation returning in the immediate future, so go ahead.
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Oct 28, 2017 20:31
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lotus circle posted:Technically you did, since you believed Natsuhi couldn't be trusted due to her killing the maid by pushing her off the cliff. That's why I'm kind of annoyed with myself! The very first thing I thought when I read it was about a trick where someone became a culprit outside of the game, but then I didn't see how that could affect the conclusion.
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Oct 28, 2017 20:32
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Holy poo poo, Erika does come back and dropkick Bern's plans.  I'm very glad she gets a chance to play on team hope.
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Oct 28, 2017 20:34
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Zakrelo posted:I would say something about surprising competence but Maria and George found him out pretty fast. Maybe it's only meta-battler who is incompetent.
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Oct 28, 2017 20:37
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Doc Hawkins posted:Maybe it's only meta-battler who is incompetent. Wasn't it stated that pieces can only act in character compared to their true selves? So, yeah, piece-Battler is still incompetent.
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Oct 28, 2017 20:39
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Finally my ship of Erika/existing is canon.  Edit: does Natsuhi being a culprit account for the discrepancy of the narration saying she destroyed the master key even though the narration said it was never found?
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Oct 28, 2017 20:45
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EagerSleeper posted:Finally my ship of Erika/existing is canon. Krauss only says they "tried to retrieve it". Apparently they couldn't pry it off Genji's dead hands, but destroying it was a possibility.
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Oct 28, 2017 21:11
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tiistai posted:I was planning on doing all the remaining TIPS... a couple months back. I've been bogged down with ~issues~ ever since and I'm not seeing the motivation returning in the immediate future, so go ahead. Ahh, gotcha! Which ones are the remaining ones? I could go look, but 
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Oct 28, 2017 21:14
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Nevileen posted:Ahh, gotcha! Which ones are the remaining ones? I could go look, but Whose Tea Party? and onward, plus the Labor Thanksgiving one, so there's 10 left. I think they're all even translated already, so I was just going to check the translations and edit them to less clunky English (plus doing the LP format thing), but I haven't been in the mood for it.
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Oct 28, 2017 21:25
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tiistai posted:Whose Tea Party? and onward, plus the Labor Thanksgiving one, so there's 10 left. I think they're all even translated already, so I was just going to check the translations and edit them to less clunky English (plus doing the LP format thing), but I haven't been in the mood for it. Edit: Oh yeah, Tiistai, would you happen to know where I could get my hands on a copy of Tsubasa? If not, everyone's just going to have to deal with just text + lp format instead of text being broken up with the occasional screenshot. (or I could nab screenshots from a video of tsubasa but eeeeegh). Nevileen fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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Oct 28, 2017 21:47
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Graylien posted:People with SPD have no desire to connect with other people, not just no ability. Schizotypal is probably closer to Yasu, they're definitely more Cluster A than anything else though.
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Oct 28, 2017 22:46
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idonotlikepeas posted:...so, 1) Where was this version of Erika when she was the bad guy?
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Oct 28, 2017 23:31
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I think that that depends on whether Natsuhi actually pushed the servant. We know the baby survived Natsuhi might've told herself she was the murderer, because she felt guilty and wished that the baby would vanish. Sefal fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Oct 28, 2017 |
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Oct 28, 2017 23:37
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I'm just a sideline guesser, but I have a small grin seeing Erika come back onto the board. And thanks to people who are explaining what's going on, this is why I love LPs.
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Oct 28, 2017 23:50
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PetraCore posted:Eeeeh, wait. If a culprit is defined as 'one who murders', and a culprit cannot die in the game, and Natsuhi is a confirmed murderer pre-game, and Natsuhi is confirmed to die in the game, isn't there a logic error? Nah. A culprit can be defined as someone who meets the following necessary conditions: 1. Commits a murder at some point. 2. Survives until the end of the game. Natsuhi has qualification 1 but not 2, and is therefore not actually a culprit. George satisfies criterion 2, so what Erika is pointing out is that all you have to do to change the game and make him a culprit is imagine that he also satisfied criterion 1 at some point in the past; there's no specific restriction on the murder happening during the game. Basically, a culprit must murder, but not every murderer is a culprit.
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Oct 28, 2017 23:55
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Well, witches are also allowed to elaborate on red text, aren't they? Bernkastel could fire back with 'a culprit is defined as one who has murdered within the course of the game', but I think that'd clash with the previous red text, unless that's a valid elaboration? Nanjo is definitely, definitely not a culprit as defined by Bern's game, because the narration says he dies. And he identified Natsuhi's dead body as dead, so she isn't a culprit as defined by Bern's game. But she's a culprit by the strictest reading of the red text definition of a culprit. So I get the feeling Bernkastel will restrict things that way, but responding to Erika's claims about George, not about Natsuhi directly. Honestly, my attack on Bern's intended reading would probably revolve around suicide, since suicide is distinct from murder and thus someone committing suicide wouldn't count as a culprit, but would mean that the number of murders are less than implied. Since a culprit has to commit murder by their own two hands, and a non-culprit cannot conspire with a culprit, if you dodge around that by saying that someone coercing someone else into committing suicide isn't technically a culprit by the definition given in-game, you can blur the ideological lines between non-culprit and culprit to perhaps implicate someone else as the culprit. Is that reasoning missing something?
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Oct 28, 2017 23:57
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idonotlikepeas posted:Basically, a culprit must murder, but not every murderer is a culprit. I'd actually argue that this is a plot hole in the scenario, since the rules text says "A culprit is defined as one who murders".
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Oct 29, 2017 00:00
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If we really want to get technical about it, Natsuhi is more of a manslaughterer than a murderer. It's possible the definition of 'murder' for the purposes of this game includes premeditation.
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Oct 29, 2017 00:02
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idonotlikepeas posted:Nah. A culprit can be defined as someone who meets the following necessary conditions: Regardless, I'm not sure if there's a valid win condition here, since the real problem is that Ange was constantly followed by rumors and witch hunters and that once Eva died focus shifted to her family, so she clings so hard to Eva being guilty to deny the possibility her family could be. Even though Bern's game isn't what really happened, mimicking Ange's defense mechanism by loopholing blame onto someone else would be... I don't know what that would represent, but probably not something great.
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Oct 29, 2017 00:03
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Woah, I'm down with evil Battler. It's a great look for him.
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Oct 29, 2017 00:21
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ProfessorProf posted:I'd actually argue that this is a plot hole in the scenario, since the rules text says "A culprit is defined as one who murders". I can see it, but I think the other rule expands the definition of a culprit so it's only a necessary but not sufficient condition. I guess it's a question about whether "does not die" is part of the definition of a culprit or only a way you're supposed to identify them.
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Oct 29, 2017 01:00
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Rodyle posted:It is an auspicious day because I BELIEVE you are now allowed to look at OMK Cross.
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Oct 29, 2017 01:11
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 It's also nice seeing the return of Baddler. edit: Birth of a New Witch never stops being good poo poo. EagerSleeper fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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Oct 29, 2017 01:40
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I love smug Battler
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I took a glance at the OMK supers. Erika's...I have no words.
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