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SwitchbladeKult posted:

If you tell everyone that says the slightest thing that is racist to gently caress off and die eventually those people will stop talking to you and start only talking to people that reenforce their stupid ideas. Sometimes it is a good thing to tiptoe around the feelings of others if you want them to listen and maybe change their minds for the better.

Chip Bok posted:

Sara Huckabee Sanders says, “everything that Hillary Clinton and the DNC accused Trump of doing, they were doing.”

And Mark Steyn says likewise: “Everybody was colluding with Russia except Trump.”

But Hillary says “baloney“.

So says Real Clear Politics.

Chip Bok posted:

Republican Jeff Flake gave a speech on the Senate floor condemning the behavior of President Trump. He called him reckless, outrageous and undignified. Trump responded, “Yes, and your point is?” Just kidding.

Flake’s Republican colleague, Senator Bob Corker, chimed in on his own that Trump “debases the country”.

Finally, Flake called out Trump, “Mr. President, I rise today to say, enough. We must dedicate ourselves to making sure that the anomalous never becomes the normal.”

Then he quit.

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Sagebrush posted:

Like, the goal here is not to compromise, right? I assume you don't want to go "okay, sure, you can be a little less racist and I'll be a little more racist and we'll find a middle ground and get along?" The eventual plan is to bring them completely to your side, while not compromising your own beliefs?

It's pointless to try and convert the people who are out there affirming the superiority of the white race. They are unreachable and it's completely fine to just tell them to gently caress off at every opportunity. For the the mildly or unconsciously racist people, who stand a chance of becoming woke, you need to shock them up front so they know the deal. Gently prodding them along one little bit at a time will just make them go "why is it that I have to make all the changes? I already stopped calling them moon crickets, now I have to let my kids go to school with them too?? Why can't they make some efforts to get along with me?" and that's pretty much where we are right now re. white people's understanding of racism.

MelvinBison posted:

Funny how Ramirez is so down about tabloids when every copy of the National Enquirer I've seen has been completely pro-Trump.

Sagebrush posted:

i forget, are political cartoons considered "the press" as well?

like i'd definitely lump them in with "tabloid journalism"

Apple Pie Hubbub posted:

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gowb posted:

everyone is racist, literally everyone has some racial bias. The key is recognizing it and overcoming it in your thought process. Just because you have recognized and are in control of your racial biases doesn't mean that everyone is, some people are racist out of ignorance. Some people are racist in a "why do black people take so long to cross the street and make so much noise in theaters" and aren't quite to "seig heil, anti racist is white genocide, etc" yet, but not attempting to understand and help them combat their biases very well could push them in that direction. I get that it feels good to be like gently caress racists no matter what but it isn't productive.

You obviously shouldn't waste your time on white supremacists. But normal people, normal republicans who are racist in not immediately obvious, non KKK ways, can be helped and brought to your side. It's stupid and harmful to our cause to just write them off.

Some of us have family we love who you could consider racist. For us, this isn't an academic question. We want to help them overcome this disease of the mind. But the self righteous liberal anger isn't helping. In fact it's pushing them further away. Stop.

Cpt.Americant posted:

Wait, are we supposed to disagree here? The most AGC I've seen in awhile.

Electric Phantasm posted:

lol at that Sanders quote, now they're projecting their projection.

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Discendo Vox posted:

Could someone link or provide context for the Carter defense comments?

Discendo Vox posted:

Could someone link or provide context for the Carter defense comments?

Broken Loose posted:

your family is trash and if they can't handle the consequences of publicly acting like a shitfucker then they belong exactly where they say Those People should go, if not worse

gowb posted:

You don't know my family, so I'm not sure your judgement of them as "trash" is accurate. And they do not publically act like racists nor do they think minorities should leave the country. This is the righteous, unthinking liberal anger I'm talking about.

As an example, my aunt is one of the most amazing human beings I know. She is ridiculously rich because she invented a way to use quick set cement to lay oil pipes in the gulf, yet she lives in a very modest house in one of the poorest, blackest communities around. All of her money and personal time goes toward helping those in need, no matter the color. In public? She's gotten awards from the NAACP, local charity groups, and the Knights of Columbus (who are white as hell). She breaks her back, literally to the point of needing surgery, to work for habitat for humanity. Recently, most of her time and money have gone to helping the local children's hospital. Yet, behind closed doors, she often talked about how Obama wanted to destroy Christian, white America and hates groups like BLM, antifa and immigrants.

Ignoring her weird racist political views, which do not seem to influence her philanthropy much if at all, how do you measure up? Certainly her white privilege is a factor, as well as the fact that her husband is a patent lawyer and helped build her fortune, and she was born into an old money family in the first place. These things disqualify her from being a net gain for humanity? Is she not worth saving? I've moved her considerably left, and the influence of the new Pope has eased her racism towards Latin Americans massively, but you would say she isntworth saving? That she's trash? It might be blood that is blinding me, but I just don't think so. She's not past redemption, assuming she even needs it in the first place. I love her regardless of her flaws for what I see in her, and I won't give her up simply because she comes from a different time and place than our modern ethics. I cannot. Call me an optimist, call me an idealist, call me a racist, point out that I'm from the south and all that that implies. I won't condemn the people I love to some societal purgatory simply because they don't live up to your standards. They aren't past redemption. None of us are.

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Ularg posted:

I don't know if casually racist family members is a common thing or just particular to the south. But I've taken some flak for at least calling out racist and homophobic behaviors with my otherwise friendly family. Don't know what's so hard about that. I don't need to weight them on a scale of "Well they do amazing things and are good people but they also casually say 'fag' without much prompting".

Am I out of line? It seems no different than my parents lecturing me as a kid on how to behave and have good manners.

Sagebrush posted:

i'm just gonna quote this whole thing in case he deletes it

Sagebrush posted:

otoh: "they go low, we go high" got us to the state we are currently in so I say it's time to abandon that strategy

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SwitchbladeKult posted:

That "basket of deplorable" comment didn't seem to help much either, did it? What it did was

Samurai Sanders posted:

What's with the design of the terrorist's sword's hilt?

Lightning Knight posted:

specifically an attempt by Clinton to demonstrate that some Trump supporters were justifiably angry

Lightning Knight posted:

Casually racist family members are common, but don't act like people who are materially harmed by the shitstains they vote for aren't justified in hating them.

It's your job to deal with your family and make them better. To everyone else, they're just another rear end in a top hat Republican making the country go down the gutter.

And don't talk to me about how I don't understand, I live in loving Paul Ryan's district. drat near everyone I grew up with is Republican.

Also the "basket of deploreables" speech was specifically an attempt by Clinton to demonstrate that some Trump supporters were justifiably angry. She didn't show enough deference to white grievance and got pilloried for it.

gowb posted:

It's my job to deal with the people in my family I want to save, yeah. Whose job is it to convert those who have no such family members to help them? Are they doomed to the guilliotine?

Lightning Knight posted:

Casually racist family members are common, but don't act like people who are materially harmed by the shitstains they vote for aren't justified in hating them.

It's your job to deal with your family and make them better. To everyone else, they're just another rear end in a top hat Republican making the country go down the gutter.

And don't talk to me about how I don't understand, I live in loving Paul Ryan's district. drat near everyone I grew up with is Republican.

Also the "basket of deploreables" speech was specifically an attempt by Clinton to demonstrate that some Trump supporters were justifiably angry. She didn't show enough deference to white grievance and got pilloried for it.