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All very heartwarming, but I'm starting to think there's never gonna be a season 12.
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Bimmi posted:All very heartwarming, but I'm starting to think there's never gonna be a season 12. I wouldn't worry quite yet. He might be waiting to announce it during this year's Turkey Day marathon. If you don't hear anything then it's probably time to start worrying.
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Oct 28, 2017 07:00
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I do suspect Joel had the wit to take a few grand and go hire himself a professional adviser on these things. I've seen a lot of people do kickstarters or similar that have gone nowhere, but by Gosh if Penny Arcade can milk a business plan, why not our cow town puppet show?
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Nessus posted:I do suspect Joel had the wit to take a few grand and go hire himself a professional adviser on these things. I've seen a lot of people do kickstarters or similar that have gone nowhere, but by Gosh if Penny Arcade can milk a business plan, why not our cow town puppet show? He definitely did this, and never kept it secret. He worked with a guy named Ivan Askwith, who had previously run the kickstarters for Veronica Mars and Reading Rainbow among other things.
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Oct 28, 2017 07:39
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Ivan was really awesome during the Kickstarter. I hope he gets to work on more cool projects like that (or stick with Joel). 
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Diabolik900 posted:He definitely did this, and never kept it secret. He worked with a guy named Ivan Askwith, who had previously run the kickstarters for Veronica Mars and Reading Rainbow among other things. The Veronica Mars one was also a pretty big success (in fact, I believe it was the most backed Kickstarter until MST3K's revival). Anybody want to revive anything else?
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Oct 28, 2017 14:12
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This would be a great time to bring back Max Headroom.
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Artsygrrl posted:This would be a great time to bring back Max Headroom. That show came out when I was in high school. There's a reason it didn't last very long. It was terrible If you need a Matt Frewer fix, watch Eureka.
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Oct 28, 2017 15:10
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I wonder how much of a season 12 would hinge on finding 12 more movies they can afford to license. Maybe that takes time too :s
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Oct 28, 2017 15:24
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Proteus Jones posted:If you need a Matt Frewer fix, watch Eureka. He's great in this 2 season Canadian crime drama called Intelligence as a sketchy dirt bag government agent. It's a pretty good show generally, think The Wire if it was about the Pacific Northwest weed trade and all the gangsters are hosers.
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Oct 28, 2017 16:29
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EatinCake posted:I wonder how much of a season 12 would hinge on finding 12 more movies they can afford to license. Maybe that takes time too :s I suspect this is the thing holding it up, if anything IS holding it up and they're not just waiting for a big reveal. On top of finding the right movies, and finding movies that the rights-holders are willing to release for (albeit loving) mockery, we've seen from the DVDs that figuring out who HAS the rights to some of those things can be a real mess.
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Oct 28, 2017 18:46
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Didn't Joel say something at one of the live events that implied that the next season was already a go, but then hastily corrected himself about it because he wasn't supposed to be talking about it yet.
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Oct 28, 2017 21:36
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IIRC part of what started getting them money was when Rifftrax started selling episodes of MTS3K and everyone gets their royalties from those.
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muscles like this! posted:IIRC part of what started getting them money was when Rifftrax started selling episodes of MTS3K and everyone gets their royalties from those. Which is why I turned around and bought a bunch, even if I owned them on some random DVD from Rhino/Old Shout Factory/Whatever.
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Oct 28, 2017 23:52
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There shouldn't be any issues licensing movies. The "B" movies in the MGM and Universal libraries are cheap, especially MGM since literally every niche label has been raiding their library. All but two episodes from S11 were from packages Shout! licensed for video (Cry Wilderness from Vinegar Syndrome, Carnival Magic from Film Chest).
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Oct 29, 2017 02:35
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It's probably not so much licensing fees per se but Joel probably either can't or doesn't want to announce the season until they've decided on and cleared every movie and locked down every guest star/actor/etc. It doesn't seem that odd to me that it's taking a while all things considered.
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Oct 29, 2017 03:22
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I can guarantee that Netflix dictates when they are allowed to announce their next season and they've been sort of weird about keeping some of the release dates close to their chest this year. I'm not going to question their business model, because they're in weird uncharted waters right now where everyone is trying to create their own version of their old business model and they're altering theirs to re-focus on original content, but hell, there are full episodes of Black Mirror's new season showing at conventions right now and they don't even have a release date.
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Oct 29, 2017 04:53
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I hope they're just waiting until all the necessary ducks are in the appropriate rows, but I've heard mutterings to the effect that it didn't perform to expectations.
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EatinCake posted:I wonder how much of a season 12 would hinge on finding 12 more movies they can afford to license. Maybe that takes time too :s Again, they also don't have the however many millions of dollars in crowdfunding that they had from the Kickstarter. For a season 12, they have whatever Netflix is willing to pay, and the amount Netflix is willing to pay is directly proportional to the answer to the question, "How many subscriptions will this generate?"
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Oct 29, 2017 19:36
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If necessary, Joel and Ivan can always hit Kickstarter again. The Rifftrax guys have gone back to that well five times (admittedly for smaller amounts).
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Timby posted:Again, they also don't have the however many millions of dollars in crowdfunding that they had from the Kickstarter. For a season 12, they have whatever Netflix is willing to pay, and the amount Netflix is willing to pay is directly proportional to the answer to the question, "How many subscriptions will this generate?" A problem with capitalism that you’d think someone would have thought of is that nothing can just grow forever no matter how good it is.
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business hammocks posted:A problem with capitalism that you’d think someone would have thought of is that nothing can just grow forever no matter how good it is. No, you see, when it looks like it's plateauing, you just slash jobs and wages and outsource everything so
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Timby posted:Again, they also don't have the however many millions of dollars in crowdfunding that they had from the Kickstarter. For a season 12, they have whatever Netflix is willing to pay, and the amount Netflix is willing to pay is directly proportional to the answer to the question, "How many subscriptions will this generate?"
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Bruceski posted:I suspect this is the thing holding it up, if anything IS holding it up and they're not just waiting for a big reveal. On top of finding the right movies, and finding movies that the rights-holders are willing to release for (albeit loving) mockery, we've seen from the DVDs that figuring out who HAS the rights to some of those things can be a real mess. iirc the films from this season had the rights owned by shoutfactory, so if that's the case it's easier now since mst3k is partnered with an organization/publisher that already has a massive lovely film library Timby posted:Again, they also don't have the however many millions of dollars in crowdfunding that they had from the Kickstarter. For a season 12, they have whatever Netflix is willing to pay, and the amount Netflix is willing to pay is directly proportional to the answer to the question, "How many subscriptions will this generate?" netflix is pretty generous with funding original content, and mst3k is real cheap to make if anything i bet joel was holding out for the kind of deal he wanted, since he had a ton of leverage over netflix by self-funding season 11. his plan before netflix came along was just to kickstart each new season and he can always go back to that if for some reason netflix doesn't want to pay peanuts to draw a cult show viewership to their platform joel places a lot of weight on creative freedom, conflicts with jim mallon are what drove joel off the show in the first place. now he has his baby back and it's all his, so there's no reason to jeopardize his creative freedom again boner confessor fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Regardless, it’s really weird for a Netflix show to go this long without a renewal announcement or a lack-of-renewal announcement. Weird to the point of unprecedented.
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It really has to be worth it, when I went to the live show there was a very full crowd (with families and children!). Like yeah, it's a cult favorite, but but it's got to have some numbers behind it, and the new season was very highly rated critically, which is something they care about. Come on, Netflix. Announce 12 more seasons. Do it.
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When I went to the live show, it was sold out and the vip section was full of people who brought their kids. I feel like the show has to have done ok at least. They kept it on the sci-fi channel for like 5 years and the ratings were probably not very good.
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Just got shipping notifications for my season 11 Blu-ray, mystery gift, and a calendar I don’t remember ordering.
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Got shipment notification for season 11 blu-rays and a mystery gift. Please no spoilers until next Monday! ^^^  PS. A wildest theory: mystery gift is a lavishly decorated postcard announcing Season 12! Prove me right Joel! ringu0 fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Nov 7, 2017 |
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Do you guys know if the Blu Rays will be available for non-backers to purchase? Is it getting a release through Shout? I backed at the digital goods level only which I now super regret given the digital version will be on Netflix forever. I should have backed at the hard copy level but figured the one sent to backers would inevitably be released as something I could buy later. I really didn't see Netflix as the production partner coming, where infinite streaming is inevitable and physical copies are harder to come by.
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They haven’t set an official release date, but they have said it’ll get a general release next year.
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Volume VII is available for preorders. Release date: February 13, 2018 Titles Include: Hercules Unchained Hercules Against The Moon Men Prince Of Space The Killer Shrew with Short Junior Rodeo Daredevils 3 Bonus Shorts: Assignment: Venezuela Century 21 Calling A Case Of Spring Fever
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ringu0 posted:Volume VII is available for preorders. Release date: February 13, 2018 If you don’t have this set already, it’s honestly worth it just for Assignment: Venezuela. Quite possibly the funniest short they ever did.
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I must have fallen off the truck at some point. Did they start to re-release the DVD packs? Or reprint and repackage them?
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IUG posted:I must have fallen off the truck at some point. Did they start to re-release the DVD packs? Or reprint and repackage them? It's almost certainly a case where Shout Factory didn't get the rights from Rhino The low volume numbers I think were all Rhino and I don't know what their deal was in terms of distribution. They probably had to wait until they lapsed and get their own deal set up for rights before they could re-issue.
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Proteus Jones posted:It's almost certainly a case where Shout Factory didn't get the rights from Rhino The low volume numbers I think were all Rhino and I don't know what their deal was in terms of distribution. They probably had to wait until they lapsed and get their own deal set up for rights before they could re-issue. And they're being released in standard plastic cases instead of the cardboard boxes.
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This is what they said with the release of Volume Iquote:Yes, this has all happened before, and it will all happen again. If you're experiencing déjà vu, do not adjust your TV set (or tablets or phones), because it's true: behold, again, the first collection of episodes of the beloved TV series Mystery Science Theater 3000.
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Nov 8, 2017 23:39
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IUG posted:I must have fallen off the truck at some point. Did they start to re-release the DVD packs? Or reprint and repackage them? Now that Shout has run out of unreleased episodes, they've been re-releasing the Rhino collections in Shout packaging.
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That's cool. Weren't there some early sets that had some quality issues? Hopefully these fix that. I might have to start selling my blood to get the set though...
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I think the original volume 7 had problems with the Killer Shrews disk. And I think the Dead Talk Back did as well, though the problem with that may have been from the master tape.
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