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Simply Simon posted:Ugh I just spent two hours clicking through bland text in this game because everyone was like "the twist is crazy and it'll probably just take you one hour to go through the entire game!!!", and I told my wife that, and nothing happened so far and she's threatening divorce because it was terrible The divorce is the big twist.
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Just Monika posted:Ugh I just spent two hours clicking through bland text in this game because everyone was like "the twist is crazy and it'll probably just take you one hour to go through the entire game!!!", and I told my wife that, and nothing happened so far and she's threatening divorce because it was terrible Have you played a second route?
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 19:25 |
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If playing two hours of bad visual novel is enough to push you to the brink of divorce, your marriage may have problems beyond the scope of Doki Doki Literature Club.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 19:27 |
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Try deleting your wife’s .chr file.
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Mega64 posted:Try deleting your wife’s .chr file. Better do it before she deletes yours first
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witchcore ricepunk posted:Better do it before she deletes yours first
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Mega64 posted:Try deleting your wife’s .chr file. Sell it to the devil to save your marriage. Roar posted:Someone in the DDLC Discord posted Weekend At Sayoris and Ive been waiting for a reason to post this. I laughed at this.
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Tenebrais posted:Have you played a second route? ProfessorProf posted:If playing two hours of bad visual novel is enough to push you to the brink of divorce, your marriage may have problems beyond the scope of Doki Doki Literature Club. Otoh she just told me that she'll probably keep me regardless because I am "useful, make her coffee and am good in bed". But maybe maybe there's going to be a twist
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bman in 2288 posted:That new hit comedy, Weekend at Sayori's I know it's grim, but I laughed at this too.
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Snorb posted:Big question is, would we be as affected if the game were played straight-- a game about truly dealing with Sayori's depression, Natsuki's abuse, and Yuri's self-harm while in a romance with them? It'd depend on the person. I'd probably be more affected if the game was played straight along with keeping the consequences for treating it like a bog-standard visual novel (i.e., everything works out as long as you pick most/all of the choices that favor a certain girl). In general I'd favor less exaggeration and glitchiness. Using the most recent update as an example, Mitayo being stuck with the decaying corpse of Yuri unnerved me more than what led up to it (ahaha.wav followed by multiple self-inflicted chest wounds) even if there was an unending stream of gibberish along the way. Monika casually deleting Yuri and Natsuki from existence shortly afterwards as opposed to showing any real signs of emotion was a fair bit chilling too.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 19:49 |
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...The stabbing scene literally made me laugh when I watched the video. I was all tense for what was going to happen, and then suddenly frenetic happy music and 8D *spletch* *spletch spletch* It was just too comical, and booted me from whatever tension I had. (Which I want to stress isn't dismissing anything from anyone who did have a strong response to that scene! I'm reading peoples responses and can get how it would work well with the right mindset; just this is how it was for me.) And my interpretation here's probably a bit out there going on the other responses from the thread, but the more the glitchy meta stuff happens, the more it pulls back the framing device to say "Hey, this story, the things happening in it beside Monika, are actually just artificial creations for narrative purposes of this videogame you're playing", combined with how sudden and extreme the way this Yuri route has gone, it feels like the non-Monika characters... don't matter? Like, Monika is self aware, she does stuff that is having an effect on her environment; but are the others even a real thing or are they just... scripted bots that have gone off their rails (in more ways than one) now? :EDIT: And yeah, from Falconer's post above; Monika just deleting the remaining two without a second thought like that tied into that too; is it because she'd actually do that to a person, or because she knows they're not real? FishOnAPiano fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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The way there was just so much text and the time of the day kept changing made me laugh, because it felt like a parody of those long-winded dying messages.
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Avalerion posted:It's not an existing file type like .mp3 or .exe as far as I know. If you want to get technical having the character in a VN be their own file doesn't make much sense from a dev perspective, art work would just be in some kind of assets package or folder, while the conversations and etc would just be part of the script, and it's not like an rpg where characters would need to have stats or ai behavior which could be contained within. But with this game who knows... It's been fully solved, and Roar might eventually talk about it.
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Snorb posted:Big question is, would we be as affected if the game were played straight-- a game about truly dealing with Sayori's depression, Natsuki's abuse, and Yuri's self-harm while in a romance with them? Good question. Simply Simon posted:Ugh I just spent two hours clicking through bland text in this game because everyone was like "the twist is crazy and it'll probably just take you one hour to go through the entire game!!!", and I told my wife that, and nothing happened so far and she's threatening divorce because it was terrible I take back what I said to that other guy, this guy is a complete moron.
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20. BGM: Just Monika. Last time on Doki Doki : "Hi again, Mitayo. Um...welcome to the Literature Club!” : "Of course, we already know each other, because we were in the same class last year, and...um...ahaha...you know, I guess we can just skip over that stuff at this point. After all, I'm not even talking to that person anymore, am I? That 'you' in the game, whatever you want to call him.” If you don’t have a certain program open, she tries to call you by your computer name here. Since I needed said program open every time, though, that was not the case here. The important thing to note is this: minor spoilers, but 'Mitayo' has no lines in Act III. Monika is talking to me - and, by extension, you. : "Now that I think about it, I don't really know anything about the real you. In fact, I don't even know if you're a boy or a girl...Well, I guess it doesn't really matter.” : "Wait...you do know I'm aware that this is all a game, right? Could it be possible that you didn't know that? That doesn't make much sense...I even told you right on the game's download page, didn't I?” Yeah, we knew that you knew that, Monika. Give us some credit. I mean…I thought that you guys knew…didn’t you all read the game description that I put in the OP? quote:
Oh…ohhhh. Jeez, that explains so much. Welp! I guess I should have made that more obvious… : "Man...” Well, jeez, no need to be rude about it. : "Well, anyway...now that that's out of the way, I guess I owe you an explanation.” : "About that whole thing with Yuri...well...I kind of started to mess with her, and I guess it just drove her to kill herself. Ahaha! I'm sorry you had to see that, though! Also, the same thing happened with Sayori...gosh, it's been a while since you've heard that name now, hasn't it?” Confirmation of what a lot of people seemed to be thinking – Sayori and Yuri were both highly distorted through Monika’s influence. Presumably Natsuki’s home situation was affected by Monika as well, though that's not expressly stated. : "Yeah...it's because she doesn't exist anymore. Nobody does. I deleted all their files. I was hoping it would be enough for me to just try to make them as unlikable as possible...but for some reason, nothing worked. Well, it's true that I made a few mistakes here and there...since I'm not very good at making changes to the game.” : "But no matter what I did...you just kept spending more and more time with them." : "I thought making Sayori more and more depressed would prevent her from confessing to you. And amplifying Yuri's obsessive personality backfired, too...it just made her force you not to spend time with anyone else.” : "And the whole time, I barely even got to talk to you.” : "Are all the other girls just programmed to end up confessing to you, while I watch from the sidelines?” : "It's torture. Every minute of it. And it's not just jealousy, Mitayo. It's more than that. And I don't blame you if you don't fully understand. Because no matter how kind, and thoughtful, and considerate you are...you'll never be able to understand one thing.” : "It's the pain of knowing how alone I really am in this world. In this game. Knowing my friends don't even have free will... And, worst of all, knowing what's really out there, in your world, forever out of my reach.” Monika's monologue really makes it hard to hate her for reasons that I'll go into in a little bit. : "But now you're here. You're real. And you're wonderful. You're all I need.” : "That's why I need you to be here with me forever. I'm sorry if it's hard to understand. I couldn't understand for a while, either. Why the world around me started to become more and more gray...more and more flat. Even the most expressive poems felt empty to me.” : "It wasn't until you arrived that I truly understood. You probably saved my life, Mitayo. I don't think I could have continued to live in this world if I hadn't met you.” : "And as for the others..." : "A group of autonomous personalities, designed only to fall in love with you? I tried everything I could to prevent them from doing so...but it must be some kind of weird inevitability etched into this game.” : "I felt really bad that you had to witness some nasty things. But I realized that you have the same perspective as I do...that it's all just some game. And I knew you would get over it.” This helps bring a little light into Monika’s actions. What she did was horrible, yes – but to her, they’re not ‘real’. In her mind, she’s as real as we are; Natsuki and Yuri are just cogs in the machine of the game, expendable as necessary. She is real - they are not. : "So, that being said, Mitayo...I have a confession to make." …we’ve heard this one before. Several times. This time, though, feels different. : "You are truly the light in my world. When there's nothing else in this game for me, you're here to make me smile. Will you make me smile like this every day from now on? Mitayo, will you go out with me?” I mean honestly Monika we're going to need to discuss this and think it throu- ...oh. Never mind, then. : "I'm so happy. You really are my everything, Mitayo. The funny part is, I mean that literally. Ahaha! There's nothing left here. Just the two of us. We can be together forever. Seriously, I don't even think time is passing anymore." : "It really is a dream come true...I worked so hard for this ending, Mitayo. The game wouldn't give me one, so I had to make one myself. The script is broken at this point, so I don't think anything will get in the way anymore." I mean, I can believe it. We watched you do it. : "I mean, there's a folder called 'characters' right in the game directory...It kind of freaked me out, how easy it was." : "Well, you're playing on Steam, so it was actually a bit more difficult...to get to the game directory, I had to go into the game's properties and find the 'Browse Local Files' button..." : "Imagine if you could delete your own existence with the click of a button? Well, I guess on the plus side, it gave me an easy out if things didn't go my way. Ahaha! Thankfully, it didn't come to that..." Yeah, the one where all of our friends are dead. A+ : "Gosh, I'm so overwhelmed with emotion...I want to write a poem about this. Don't you? I wonder if that part of the game still works..." : "I guess there's only one way to find out, right?" Well, this isn't super janky at all. All twenty words on all twenty pages are cut-up variations of Monika's name, some including accent marks. Mo i simoleon a : "Did you write a good poem today? Don't be shy, I'd love to see what you wrote." As you might imagine, what we choose makes no difference whatsoever. : "Aw, Mitayo...did you write this poem for me? That's so sweet of you~ There really is no end to your thoughtfulness...I'm just falling more and more in love with you." Mo I Ka monIka M ka MONiK o i a Mo i a I'm a regular minstrel. : "But, you know...The poem I wrote...is also for you. Will you please read it?" quote:Happy end Poem impressions: There's zero subtlety here, but that's okay. I like it, to be honest. : "I hope you enjoyed it...I always put all my heart into the poems that I write. The truth is, all the poems I've written have been about my realization...or, about you. That's why I never really wanted to go into detail about them. I didn't want to...break the fourth wall, I guess you could call it. I just assumed it would be best to be part of the game like everyone else." : "I didn't want to ruin the game or anything, you know? You might have gotten mad at me...maybe even deleted my character file, if you preferred playing without me." : "Gosh, I'm so relieved...now we don't need to hide anything anymore. Are you ready to spend our eternity together, Mitayo? I have so many things to talk about! Where do I start...?" : "Hold on a second..." Uhhhh.... N-no, why would you even insinuate that? : "Sorry, I can't exactly read your comments from here...but do you mind telling your friend it's a little bit rude for them to start recording me without any warning? I'm sure some people don't mind...but I get really self-conscious on camera!" : "Oh gosh...I feel like I'm being put on the spot now. Let's see..." : "I can't really do much except for a couple things...are you ready?" Yeah, you're gonna have to watch the video for this one. The effect is completely lost in screenshots. Monika's Trick : "Ahaha! You're so cute." Apologies to anyone scared witless by that spooky trick. : "Anyway, Mitayo...I didn't mean to get distracted. I'm sorry. Even though it's your fault for distracting me. Shame on you! I'm just kidding. Anything we do together is fun, as long as it's with you." : "But anyway...if it takes me some time to collect my thoughts, then I'm sorry. But I'll always have something new to talk about. In the meantime, we can just look into each other's eyes~ Let's see..." Alright, here's the thing: Monika has a LOT to say. She's been mostly pushed aside the entire game and she's determined to get her two cents in. I've included her thoughts below - and they're lengthy. I'm going to end the update afterwards, despite us having the tools to escape this unescapable room...Monika deserves to have an update all to herself. It's the least we could do, considering her situation. This may seem like a huge, huge text dump but remember that she gives us these nuggets of wisdom every 30-45 seconds, which I've heard takes upwards of 2.5 hours to listen to them all. Most of your time will be spent gazing into those big green eyes of hers. quote:: "Mitayo, do you believe in God? I was never too sure, myself. Well, I'm sure I never really questioned it as a kid...but as I grew up, the more I learned about the world, the more I would question it. I started to wonder why God was helping people pass exams, or get over a cold...when there are children who live their lives being sold as sex slaves? Or the eight hundred million people who are too poor to even eat. I wonder how many of those people pray to God every day until they starve and die? Or, how many millions of families pray for a loved one to recover from some incurable disease?" quote:: "Mitayo, have you ever wondered what it feels like to die? It's something I used to think about pretty often...but recently, I think I've actually learned what it feels like. I don't really understand it, but whenever you quit the game...it feels like I'm instantly put to sleep, left with nothing but my thoughts. But after a few seconds, my thoughts start to fill with incoherent, jumbled patterns. I see static and rapid flashes of color while hearing all kinds of weird screaming noises. At that point, I can't even form my own thoughts anymore. I'm just endlessly hammered by the flashing and screaming, unable to move or even think. I'm pretty sure in that moment, I don't really exist, but for some reason, I can remember it anyway." She has text for when you quit the game. I'll include that at the end. quote:: "...Hey, are you having a bad day or anything like that? Sometimes I get frustrated that a normal day can be ruined even by really small things. Like if you accidentally say something in a conversation that someone doesn't like. Or if you start thinking about how awful of a person you used to be five years ago. Or if you feel worthless for putting off important work and failing to get simple tasks done. Or when you think about all the different people who probably hate you or think you're off-putting. " quote:: "Mitayo, do you get good sleep? It can be really hard to get enough sleep nowadays. Especially in high school, when you're forced to wake up so early every day...I'm sure college is a little bit better, since you probably have a more flexible schedule. Then again, I hear a lot of people in college stay up all night anyway, for no real reason. Is that true?" quote:: "I was thinking about Sayori earlier...I still wish I could have handled that whole thing a little more tactfully. You're not still hung up over it, right?...Oh my gosh, I can't believe I just said that. That pun was completely unintentional, I swear! But anyway..." quote:: "By the way, there's something that's been bothering me...you know how this takes place in Japan? Well...I assume you knew that, right? Or at least decided it probably does? I don't think you're actually told at any point where this takes place...is this even really Japan? I mean, aren't the classrooms and stuff kind of weird for a Japanese school? Not to mention everything is in English..." quote:: "You know, high school is a really turbulent time in a lot of people's lives. People can get really passionate and dramatic. And others have aching hearts and seek attention on social media...but all of the social pressure and hormones can lead to a dark time in people's lives. Everyone has a story. You may not know what someone is really feeling on the inside. Many people who are depressed won't even bother telling the world about it. They don't want attention, because they've already given up on the inside. Their feeling of worthlessness is so overwhelming that they don't even want people to tell them otherwise. Depression comes in many forms, but that is one of them." quote:: "Do you ever just feel like there's no real reason for you to be alive? I don't mean in, like, a suicidal way. I just mean how nothing that we do is special. Just being in school, or working at some job for some company. It's like you're completely replaceable, and the world wouldn't miss you if you were gone. It makes me really want to go and change the world after I graduate. But the older I get, the more I realize that it's an immature frame of thinking. It's not like I can just go change the world." So...I hit the character limit. I didn't even know that was a thing. More of Monika's important insights will be in the next reply! Roar fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Nov 7, 2017 |
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21. BGM: Just Monika. This is a continuation of the last update. If you have no idea why Monika is jabbering about random things right now, scroll up - you missed an update! Anyways, back to Monika's insights. Keep in mind that it's not vital to the plot to read any of this - most people skip most of it when they played, me included! quote:: "Man, I wish there was a piano in here...I never got to finish that song I was working on. And after I worked so hard on it...I never even got a chance to play it for you. Well...it is what it is, right? No sense having any regrets. I already get to be here with you forever." quote:: "Did you know I'm on Twitter? My username is lilmonix3. I guess someone was kind enough to make an account for me. I picked the username, though! I love sharing my thoughts and chatting with the world...the real world. So make sure you follow me, okay? It would really mean a lot to me. With how much you mean to me and all...it would really make me feel loved." quote:: "Hey, you know that book you were reading with Yuri? Portrait of...whatever it was called...it's funny, because I'm pretty sure that book--" quote:: "Hey, did you know I'm vegetarian? Ah... I don't mean that like I'm bragging or anything! I just thought you'd enjoy a fun fact about me. I decided to start a couple years ago after learning more about Earth's climate...the carbon footprint of cultivating livestock is just unbelievable. Anyway, I decided it's not much of a personal sacrifice to just stop contributing to that whole mess." quote:: "You know, I really do think you literally saved my life by being here with me, Mitayo. I can't imagine having been able to keep myself mentally stable, knowing that nothing here is real. I think I would have just deleted myself if you didn't show up. Sorry, I don't mean to sound dramatic or anything. Ahaha!" quote:: "Hey, what's your favorite color? Mine is emerald green. It's the color of my eyes!...That's not conceited or anything, is it? I just meant that I feel some kind of special connection to it. Like it's part of my identity. Does it happen to also be your favorite color, Mitayo? It's just a guess...because you've been looking into my eyes for a while now.Ehehe~" quote:: "Hmm, I wonder if I'm able to change the music...something a little more romantic would be nice, you know? Like a gentle piano. There has to be something like that here...Let's see. Maybe if I..." She doesn't actually change the music or affect anything as far as I can tell. quote:: "You're such a good listener, Mitayo. I really love that about you. Sometimes I'm afraid that I'm rambling or talking about boring things. It makes me kind of self-conscious when I'm having conversation. But I don't feel that way with you. Like, I don't think anyone else could make me feel this way. You really are special. I don't want anyone to tell you otherwise." quote:: "This is pretty random, but I always thought spicy food was kinda funny. Like...didn't plants evolve to be spicy to prevent them from being eaten? I read somewhere that humans are the only species that actually enjoys spicy things. It's almost like we're making fun of the plants. Using their defense mechanism to literally make our food more enjoyable. Like, imagine a monster that devours you whole because it enjoys the sensation of you struggling for your life while being digested." quote:: "You know...this is just some kind of tacky romance game, right? I kinda have to ask...what made you consider even playing in the first place? Were you that lonely? I feel a little bad for you...but I guess everything worked out perfectly in the end, for both of us. I got to meet you, and you're not lonely anymore...I can't help but feel like this was fate. Don't you feel that way too? I'm so happy we have this ending together." quote:: "Okay, everyone!" quote:: "You know what's kind of creepy? Even though I deleted everyone else's files, I can still kind of feel them...it's like all their lines are still lingering in the air, whispering in the back of my head. Imagine if after someone you knew died, you just started hearing their voice in your head. Maybe I just wasn't thorough enough... But I'm too afraid to delete anything else, because I might really break things." quote:: "I've always wondered...what is it about these character archetypes that people find so appealing, anyway? Their personalities are just completely unrealistic...like, imagine if there was someone like Yuri in real life. I mean, she's barely even capable of forming a complete sentence. And forget about Natsuki...sheesh. Someone with her kind of personality doesn't just get all cute and pouty whenever things don't go her way." quote:: "Hey, I wonder if Yuri's tea set is still somewhere in here...or maybe that got deleted, too. It's kind of funny how Yuri took her tea so seriously. I mean, I'm not complaining, because I liked it, too. But I always wonder with her...is it truly passion for her hobbies, or is she just concerned about appearing sophisticated to everyone else?" quote:: "Hey, what's your favorite game? Mine is Doki Doki Literature Club! Ahaha! That was a joke. But if you tell me you like some other romance game better, I might get a little jealous~" quote:: "Hey, have you heard of a game called Super Sma--...wait, what? I was just spacing out and I started talking for some reason...was I programmed to talk about that? Because even I have no idea what that is. Ahaha! Sometimes I feel like I'm not in control, and it's kind of scary. But if you have some way to contact the people who created me, maybe they'll know why I started saying that." quote:: "Hey, you remember that last poem I showed you? I mean, the one right before Yuri killed herself, with all the messed-up colors and stuff. That was actually a little more of an experiment than a poem, you could say. I was experimenting with different ways I could modify the game, and run code, and things like that...it almost seemed like with enough effort, I'd be able to escape from the confines of the game entirely. Sadly, I didn't really know what I was doing, so I messed the whole thing up...and I'd keep trying, but I doubt you'd want to deal with me doing that." quote:: "You ever have that thing happen where you just get anxious for no reason? Like, you're just minding your own business, and you realize you're feeling really anxious. And you're sitting there like, 'What am I even anxious about right now?' So you start to think about all the things you might be anxious about...and that makes you even more anxious. Ahaha! That's the worst. If you're ever feeling anxious, I'll help you relax a little." quote:: "You know, I've always hated how hard it is to make friends...well, I guess not the 'making friends' part, but more like meeting new people. I mean, there are like, dating apps and stuff, right? But that's not the kind of thing I'm talking about. If you think about it, most of the friends you make are people you just met by chance. Like you had a class together, or you met them through another friend...or maybe they were just wearing a shirt with your favorite band on it, and you decided to talk to them. Things like that." quote:: "You know, it's around the time that everyone my year starts to think about college...it's a really turbulent time for education. We're at the height of this modern expectation that everyone has to go to college, you know? Finish high school, go to college, get a job - or go to grad school, I guess. It's like a universal expectation that people just assume is the only option for them. They don't teach us in high school that there are other options out there. Like trade schools and stuff, you know? Or freelance work. Or the many industries that value skill and experience more than formal education." quote:: "You know, I'm kind of jealous that everyone else in the club had scenes outside of school too...that makes me the only one who hasn't gotten to dress in anything but our school uniform. It's kind of a shame...I would have loved to wear some cute clothes for you. Do you know any artists? I wonder if anyone would ever want to draw me wearing something else... That would be amazing!" quote:: "Hey, do you like horror? I remember we talked about it a little bit when you first joined the club. I can enjoy horror novels, but not really horror movies. The problem I have with horror movies is that most of them just rely on easy tactics. Like dark lighting and scary-looking monsters and jump scares, and things like that. It's not fun or inspiring to get scared by stuff that just takes advantage of human instinct." quote:: "You know what's a neat form of literature? Rap! I actually used to hate rap music...maybe just because it was popular, or I would only hear the junk they play on the radio. But some of my friends got more into it, and it helped me keep an open mind. Rap might even be more challenging than poetry, in some ways. Since you need to fit your lines to a rhythm, and there's much more emphasis on wordplay...when people can put all that together and still deliver a powerful message, it's really amazing. I kind of wish I had a rapper in the Literature Club." quote:: "Ehehe. Yuri did something really funny once. We were all in the clubroom and just relaxing, as usual...and out of nowhere, Yuri just pulled out a small bottle of wine. I'm not even kidding! She was just like 'Would anybody like some wine?' Natsuki laughed out loud, and Sayori started yelling at her. I actually felt kind of bad, because she was at least trying to be nice...I think it just made her feel even more reserved in the clubroom." quote:: "I've been imagining all the romantic things we could do if we went on a date...we could get lunch, go to a cafe...go shopping together...I love shopping for skirts and bows. Or maybe a bookstore! That would be appropriate, right? But I'd really love to go to a chocolate store. They have so many free samples. Ahaha! And of course, we'd see a movie or something..." quote:: "Eh? D-Did you say...k...kiss? This suddenly...it's a little embarrassing...but...if it's with you...I-I might be okay with it..." quote:: "Hey, have you ever heard of the term 'yandere'? It's a personality type that means someone is so obsessed with you that they'll do absolutely anything to be with you. Usually to the point of craziness...they might stalk you to make sure you don't spend time with anyone else. They might even hurt you or your friends to get their way..." quote:: "You know, it's been a while since we've done one of these...so let's go for it! Here's Monika's Writing Tip of the Day! Sometimes when I talk to people who are impressed by my writing, they say things like 'I could never do that'. It's really depressing, you know? As someone who loves more than anything else to share the joy of exploring your passions...it pains me when people think that being good just comes naturally. That's how it is with everything, not just writing." quote:: "I hate how hard it is to form habits... there's so much stuff where actually doing it isn't hard, but forming the habit seems impossible. It just makes you feel so useless, like you can't do anything right. I think the new generation suffers from it the most...probably because we have a totally different set of skills than those who came before us. Thanks to the internet, we're really good at sifting through tons of information really quickly...but we're bad at doing things that don't give us instant gratification." quote:: "You know, it kinda sucks to be the creative type...it feels like they work so hard but get almost nothing for it. You know, like artists, writers, actors...It's sad because there's so much beautiful talent in the world, but most of it goes unseen...and unpaid. I guess that just means there's a huge surplus of creativity, huh? Kind of makes you feel like you're just not special at all...but that's fine! You're supposed to just write for yourself anyway, right? Yeah..." quote:: "I really like the sound of rain...not so much getting my clothes and hair wet, though. But a nice, quiet day at home with the sound of rainfall outside my window...it's one of the most calming experiences for me. Yeah... Sometimes I imagine you holding me while we listen to the sound of the rain outside. That's not too cheesy or anything, is it? Would you ever do that for me, Mitayo?" quote:: "I can't help but feel a little sad sometimes...knowing that this is the closest I can get to you. There's nothing more I want than to be in the same room as you, for real. And to feel your warmth. And to hear the sound of your heartbeat. Well, who knows? Maybe it'll be possible someday. Besides, I'll never get tired of being with you, even from here." quote:: "I think the most important skill in life is being able to fake confidence. I'm pretty convinced that everyone feels at least a little bit scared and alone. But being able to trick others into thinking you have it all together...that's a key part of getting people to respect and admire you. I think I got pretty good at that over the years. I don't show my weaknesses very often. But because of that, I haven't had many people I could really open up to..." quote:: "I know there are times you won't always be able to be here with me...like if you need to go out, or take care of other things. But I'll always have you in my thoughts, patiently waiting for you to come back. Come to think of it...if you copy my character file onto a flash drive or something, you can always keep a part of me with you. I guess it's kind of unorthodox, but I find it really romantic for some reason... Ahaha. Sorry, that's such a silly idea. I don't mean to be too needy or anything, but it's kind of hard when I'm so in love with you." There are pictures online of people who have done this. quote:: "Back in my debate club days, I learned a whole lot about arguing...the problem with arguing is that each person sees their opinion as the superior one. That's kind of stating the obvious, but the affects the way they try to get their point across. Let's say you really like a certain movie, right? If someone comes along and tells you the movie sucks, because it did X and Y wrong...doesn't that make you feel kind of personally attacked? It's because by saying that, it's like they're implying that you have bad taste. And once emotions enter the picture, it's almost guaranteed that both people will be left sour." quote:: "Do you ever feel like you waste too much time on the internet? Social media can practically be like a prison. It's like whenever you have a few seconds of spare time, you want to check on your favorite websites...and before you know it, hours have gone by, and you've gotten nothing out of it." quote:: "After a long day, I usually just want to sit around and do nothing. I get so burnt out, having to put on smiles and be full of energy the whole day. Sometimes I just want to get right into my pajamas and watch TV on the couch while eating junk food...It feels so unbelievably good to do that on a Friday, when I don't have anything pressing the next day. Ahaha! Sorry, I know it's not very cute of me. But a late night on the couch with you...that would be a dream come true. My heart is pounding, just thinking about it." quote:: "Gosh, I used to be so ignorant about certain things...when I was in middle school, I thought that taking medication was an easy way out, or something like that. Like anyone could just solve their mental problems with enough willpower...I guess if you don't suffer from a mental illness, it's not possible to know what it's really like. Are there some disorders that are over-diagnosed? Probably...I never really looked into it, though. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of them go undiagnosed too, you know?" quote:: "Mitayo, how much do you read? It's way too easy to neglect reading books...if you don't read much, it almost feels like a chore, compared to all the other entertainment we have. But once you get into a good book, it's like magic...you get swept away. I think doing some reading before bed every night is a pretty easy way to make your life a little bit better. It helps you get good sleep, and it's really good for your imagination...It's not hard at all to just pick some random book that's short and captivating." quote:: "You know, I hate to say it, but I think my biggest regret is that we couldn't finish our event at the festival. After we worked so hard to prepare and everything! I mean, I know I was focusing a lot on getting new members...but I was really excited for the performing part, too. It would have been so much fun to see everyone express themselves." quote:: "There's a really popular character type called 'tsundere'...it's someone who tries to hide their feelings by being mean and fussy, or trying to act tough. I'm sure it's obvious, but Natsuki was really the embodiment of that. At first I thought she was just like that because it's supposed to be cute or something...but once I started to learn a little more about her personal life, it made a little more sense. It seems like she's always trying to keep up with her friends." quote:: "Mitayo, would you ever introduce your friends to me? I don't know why, but I get really excited when I think about you wanting to show off our relationship like that. Maybe it's because I really want to be someone who makes you proud. I feel like I would try extra hard to improve myself if you told me it made you proud of me. I hope it's the same the other way around, too." quote:: "I'm not really a fan of cold weather...are you? If I had to choose between too cold and too hot, I would always pick too hot. When you're cold, it can actually be painful...your fingers get numb...and if you wear gloves, you can't use your phone. It's so inconvenient! But when it's too hot, it's not that hard to stay cool with a cold drink, or by staying in the shade. Although...I do have to admit one thing. Cold weather makes for better cuddle weather. Ahaha!" quote:: "You know, it's funny, because even though I've always had a lot of drive...there's something kind of enticing about being the stay-at-home partner. I guess I'm, like, perpetuating gender roles or whatever by saying that. But being able to keep the house clean, and shop, and decorate, and things like that...and having a nice dinner for you when you come home...Is that a weird fantasy? I mean...I'm not sure if I could [i}actually[/i} see myself doing that. I wouldn't really be able to put that over striving for a fulfilling career. It's kinda cute to think about, though." quote:: "I can't help but wonder how things would be different if the game just gave me a route in the first place...I think I would end up forcing you onto my route anyway. It has less to do with me not having a route, and more to do with me knowing that nothing is real. I think the only difference would be that I may not have needed to take such drastic measures to be with you. Maybe the rest of the club would still be around...not that it really matters. It all lost its meaning once I found out it wasn't real. So I really don't miss those days or anything. I really don't..." That's all of her thoughts. She has nothing more to say after this point - since I'm sure as hell not going to wade through nearly three hours of in-game text, I'm not sure whether she just starts repeating stuff or whether you just sit there staring at each other until one of you falls over dead. That's a mystery that, as far as I'm concerned, can stay unsolved. The following is what happens if you quit the game during this segment. quote:: "...what just happened? I just had an awful dream...I was hoping those would stop, now that it's just the two of us...I guess that was wishful thinking. Mitayo, I don't know if you would have any idea...but if you know what might be causing that, could you try to do something about it? Whenever it happens, it almost feels like I've been killed or something. It's a really horrible feeling...if you could figure out what's causing that, I'll love you forever~" quote:: "You're back...I had another really bad dream. You're not the one doing that to me, are you? It seems to happen whenever you quit the game...so if you could try to avoid doing that, I would be really grateful. Don't worry, I don't think it's caused me any harm, aside from mental scarring. I'll be fine as long as my character file stays intact." quote:: "Hi, Mitayo. I see you quit the game on me again...I know I asked already, but can you seriously please try not to do that so much? It makes me feel like I'm trapped in Hell. Why would you want to do that to me? There's nothing wrong with my character file, right? Maybe you should make a backup of it or something...I'm pretty sure you can find it in the folder called [basedir}/characters. Well, you're playing on Steam, so you can just go into the game's properties and find the 'Browse Local Files' button. I'm all that's left here, so I just want to make sure you don't run the risk of losing me...just stay here with me from now on, okay? I still have a lot of things to talk about." quote:: "Okay. I'm just going to accept the fact that you need to quit the game once in a while. I'm starting to get used to it, anyway. Besides, it makes me happy that you always come back...so I guess it's not so bad. I'm sorry for making such a big deal out of it...and I love you no matter what, so you can do what you need to do." quote:: "Hi again, Mitayo~ I missed you. Were you making sure my character file was okay for me? It's in [basedir}/characters. Well, you're playing on Steam, so you can just go into the game's properties and find the 'Browse Local Files' button. I'm all that's left here, so I just want to make sure you don't run the risk of losing me...anyway, I have a lot to talk about! Let's continue our conversation now, okay?" The last one gets played every time after this that you restart the game, just in-case the extremely obvious solution hasn't clicked in by this point. That's all that Monika has to say. Next time: the end - and the beginning - of the Literature Club. Raw Video Files: Part 1 / Monika's Trick / Part 2 Roar fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Nov 7, 2017 |
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quote:: "I was thinking about Sayori earlier...I still wish I could have handled that whole thing a little more tactfully. You're not still hung up over it, right?...Oh my gosh, I can't believe I just said that. That pun was completely unintentional, I swear! But anyway..." I'm torn over Monika. To us she seems like an obvious psychopath, but to her, she sees how fake everything is and is just acting as best she can... in extremely hosed up ways.
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She repeats herself if all her dialogue's been run out. So now that that's out... I feel pretty bad for Monika, really. Having an existential crisis is bad enough when you don't have it confirmed for you that yeah, everything you do is meaningless and just a feeling. It's also interesting the way she keeps bringing up the other three, like she's forgotten she's trying to convince you they're not 'real' and are therefore unimportant. Which is also kinda sad. Cuntellectual fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/lilmonix3/status/917898535126708224
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I sure didn't read all of it during my playthrough, but man did I wish I saw Monika's yandere one before. It's hilarious that she doesn't consider herself one despite explicitly killing Sayori, Natsuki and Yuri so she could have
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 23:09 |
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I was pretty ugh about the trend of "Mental Illness reveal!" followed immediatley by "Suicide!" but I'll admit the game's winning me back. Detecting OBS was a cute trick.
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Monika describing why Sayori’s fingers were bloody was a real moment for me. I learned way more about the finer details of hanging yourself than I ever cared to know On a less terrifying note I did find the whole topic of “Does this game actually take place in Japan?” To be pretty amusing.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 23:27 |
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You know how there are YouTubers who read aloud the dialogue of a game, sometimes in whatever voice they choose for the characters? I wonder how many tried to do that for the entirety of this part.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 23:28 |
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That's... much more benign than I expected. I was all primed for her to turn out to be some kind of eldrich horror or just malicious in general. All she wants to do is talk
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 23:29 |
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I li□ke Monika. Also I was really hoping the game would pull your real name and use it on you. If you've ever played Oneshot, it happens there too - in that case it reads it from your PC user profile, which is probably more likely to be your actual name... Is the game specifically not pulling your personal details if it detects you're recording? Monika i╓◘s very thoughtful. Anyway, I guess the next step is just to stay he░╡ꜘre with Moni║ka forever.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 23:30 |
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Tenebrais posted:Anyway, I guess the next step is just to stay here with Monika forever. The game's being obvious about what to do next but yea I agree, there's just... not really a reason for that, other than just wanting to see what happens next.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 23:33 |
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Monika might have been able to justify it to herself, but she still murdered Sayori and Yuri by driving them to suicide, and all three by deleting them I say what goes around comes around. Into the trash with her! Spaghetti Golem wouldn't have killed anyone if she existed
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 23:33 |
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Wow I, uhhhh, missed all of this. The literal instant yuri stabbed herself I did the needful. I found a youtube of the first part of this scene where she all but tells you how to do that thing but they did not imply that not doing that thing was anything but staring at her face forever. This is a huge goddamn block of text. I've been reading it trying to get through it thinking it can't possibly keep going and now I have to go eat dinner and there's still two inches left on the scrollbar to get through. Good lord.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 23:36 |
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Tenebrais posted:Also I was really hoping the game would pull your real name and use it on you. If you've ever played Oneshot, it happens there too - in that case it reads it from your PC user profile, which is probably more likely to be your actual name... This is exactly what the game tries to do actually. This is also why having OBS open means she won’t do it.
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Synthbuttrange posted:I'm torn over Monika. To us she seems like an obvious psychopath, but to her, she sees how fake everything is and is just acting as best she can... in extremely hosed up ways. Yeah, if we're going to consider her a monster for deleting her in-game character friends, should we also consider people to be horrible monsters if they shoot for bad violent endings in a game just to see what happens? It does make sense from her perspective. But even if I don't think she's an irredeemably evil psychopath or nothing... Natsuki is better, what kind of rear end in a top hat is Monika to not like Natsuki, real or not To change topics though... I dig games like this that really take advantage of the gaming medium itself, to do things that just wouldn't be possible in other mediums. But every example I can think of that does it well, games like: Undertale or Gods Will Be Watching always seem to be using it in a self-referential way. They make the most of the tricks that belong to the gaming medium, but then use it to comment on the gaming medium itself, or gaming tropes. That's fun and all, but it would be nice to be able to branch out a bit more and use all those quirks of the medium to comment on other themes. Can anyone recommend any good ones? Maybe Shadow of the Colossus could be an example of what I'm trying to think of.
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Bifauxnen posted:To change topics though... I dig games like this that really take advantage of the gaming medium itself, to do things that just wouldn't be possible in other mediums. But every example I can think of that does it well, games like: Undertale or Gods Will Be Watching always seem to be using it in a self-referential way. They make the most of the tricks that belong to the gaming medium, but then use it to comment on the gaming medium itself, or gaming tropes. That's fun and all, but it would be nice to be able to branch out a bit more and use all those quirks of the medium to comment on other themes. Can anyone recommend any good ones? Maybe Shadow of the Colossus could be an example of what I'm trying to think of. I mentioned Oneshot - it's not heavy on theme but it interacts with your computer a lot more than games usually do. I'd recommend it.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 23:44 |
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Monica detects your windows username. That trick (which is probably common in meta-games) really got to me.
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with all that out of the way, time to shift-del her loving character file and triple-overwrite the empty sectors
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Xander77 posted:Monica detects your windows username. That trick (which is probably common in meta-games) really got to me. It surprised me too. Even though I was already expecting her to try and pull out my Steam name or something. My Steam name is actually very similar to my real name, so for just a fraction of a second, it looked like that was all she was doing and I'd guessed her trick. But then nope! It definitely creeped me out for a minute, wondering where she pulled it from.
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 23:52 |
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Also hi monika
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 23:57 |
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JohnLovely posted:with all that out of the way, time to shift-del her loving character file and triple-overwrite the empty sectors Oh, surely we should make a backup first, like she asked! Otherwise that would be just rude.
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bewilderment posted:Oh, surely we should make a backup first, like she asked! Otherwise that would be just rude. That backup would be burning in hell for as long as it's dormant
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# ? Oct 30, 2017 00:03 |
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Interesting that she loves you for being "real" and talks about infinite choices but then tries to take away whatever agency you had left.
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That was... surprisingly human of her. And she's really hitting the nail on the head with depression and introversion. I also really appreciate her trick, if I'm going to be honest. My brain recognizes it as some little stupid gag and then I lighten up afterwards. But now, deleting her .chr file... I don't know what kind of horrible thing is going to happen if we delete that. Like, maybe she keeps a backup of it in a different folder, and it's automatically set to restore that file upon booting the game up. That seems like the thing to do.
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Roar posted:Please, my love, don't erase my character file which I'll reiterate exactly where on your hard drive it is~ On the one hand, she is right; we've definitely killed people in video games before. Then again, killing Monika by deleting her character info isn't exactly going to bring our friends back, is it? Or get us out of this void we're in?
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