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Oooooh my god I thought I was finally escaping Lizard Hell but nope I guess Naggarond got steamrolled by Kroq. Think that's it for you Skrolk, sorry man, I don't want to fight any more god drat frenzying bastards. Edit: yeah I'm done, gonna find a faction who lives over in the new world, I'm sick of these guys. Pierson fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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I haven't tried Skaven in Moral Empires yet (so I may or may not be an ignorant dummy), but unless they've radically changed things the principle should be the same. The non-artillery units in my armies really struggled to get gold chevrons over quite a long campaign, so you could probably pad it with pretty much anything once you've hit the critical mass. Good luck through, they seem like a hard faction to use in a ME campaign!
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Oct 29, 2017 20:04
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Pierson posted:Edit: yeah I'm done, gonna find a faction who lives over in the new world, I'm sick of these guys. Wait, you want to go over to the New World to no longer have to deal with Lizardmen?
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Oct 29, 2017 20:51
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Got my worlds mixed up, I'm just gonna go where the lizards can't get me.
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Oct 29, 2017 20:56
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Pierson posted:Oooooh my god I thought I was finally escaping Lizard Hell but nope I guess Naggarond got steamrolled by Kroq. Think that's it for you Skrolk, sorry man, I don't want to fight any more god drat frenzying bastards. Wait hold up. Naggarond got rolled by KROQ? From the opposite side of the planet? I gotta see this 
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Oct 29, 2017 20:57
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Is the dragon mount worth the investment for Mannfred or are the points better spent elsewhere?
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Oct 29, 2017 21:50
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crime fighting hog posted:Is the dragon mount worth the investment for Mannfred or are the points better spent elsewhere? The black dragon breath ability is really strong, and it gives another passive ability 'swarm of flies' that lowers the melee attack of everyone around him. It's probably worth it, especially if they get 40 points now.
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Oct 29, 2017 21:53
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Pierson posted:Oooooh my god I thought I was finally escaping Lizard Hell but nope I guess Naggarond got steamrolled by Kroq. Think that's it for you Skrolk, sorry man, I don't want to fight any more god drat frenzying bastards. Skrolk is so good at killing lizards its insane Stack plague monks and poison gas globardiers and you just melt them like crazy
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Oct 29, 2017 21:53
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Pierson posted:Got my worlds mixed up, I'm just gonna go where the lizards can't get me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM
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Oct 29, 2017 22:00
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The good rule of thumb is that if you went with the yellow line buffs the mount isn’t worth it, otherwise it usually is
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Oct 29, 2017 22:02
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Scrub-Niggurath posted:The good rule of thumb is that if you went with the yellow line buffs the mount isn’t worth it, otherwise it usually is Doesn't the yellow line also buff the mount though? My rule of thumb is that due to knockdown mechanics mounts are always worth it unless you have a very specific purpose.
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Oct 29, 2017 22:17
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The mount hurts your combat stats sans charge so unless you live in some world where a mount means you don't engage in combat there is no rule of thumb.
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Oct 29, 2017 22:20
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Pendent posted:Doesn't the yellow line also buff the mount though? My rule of thumb is that due to knockdown mechanics mounts are always worth it unless you have a very specific purpose. It buffs the mount but you still take a big attack/defense hit, as well as having a bigger model so more enemy infantry can get hits in at once. Knockdown is an issue, and generally you’d only want to spec full yellow line characters for a specific purpose, but if you want your lord/hero to just blender infantry then skipping a mount is often appropriate.
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Oct 29, 2017 22:33
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Then again, if you don't want your lord riding a giant Carnosaur, you might as well uninstall the game.
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Oct 29, 2017 22:45
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A mount hurts your melee attack and defense but is still a buff overall. Grimgor is the prime example of this. He's got the most-killingest stats of any LL in the entire game, but since he can't have a mount, you can just chain-knockdown him so he never actually gets to use said stats.
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Not to mention the other benefits a mount provides. For example, I noticed that Skink Priests can get a Stegadon or Ancient Stegadon mount, which has much of the same armament as the units of the same name: skinks throwing spears from a platform plus a ballista or giant blowgun, respectively. This means Lizardmen can have a single unit that's an artillery piece, a heavy-hitting close-range monster and a support spellcaster, which is incredibly useful. William Bear fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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Oct 29, 2017 23:06
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Zaphod42 posted:Skrolk is so good at killing lizards its insane 
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William Bear posted:Not to mention the other benefits a mount provides. For example, I noticed that Skink Priests can get a Stegadon or Ancient Stegadon mount, which has much of the same armament as the units of the same name: skinks throwing spears from a platform plus a ballista or giant blowgun, respectively. This is also true for Skink Chieftains! In both cases I usually stop at regular Stegadon for the ballista, which has vastly more ammo and range than the Ancient variant's blowpipes. Do note that you are charged additional upkeep once you equip the mount, which in the case of a Stegadon amounts to hundreds of gold.
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Skink priests own and I cannot wait for the Tehenhauin FLC
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I'm pretty sure Chameleon skinks are the best units on the lizardmen roster.
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Pierson posted:Speaking of which are Censer Bearers an anti-armour variety of Plague Monks or a straight upgrade? They explicitly get the 'anti-armour' trait which monks don't, but they lose 'anti-infantry' at the same time, which is loving with my head when it comes to fighting armoured infantry. Anti-infantry is +10 when fighting infantry. Armour piercing is an armour bypass (not sure how much). You're better off using the censer bearers against armoured targets basically, but plague monks are still going to be good for everything else. e: also you need to factor in price and Skaven benefit from clan rat stacks even late in the game, so I'd be trying for a combined force that keep your censer bearers in the back line so you can select the unit you want them to smash up. The other thing to consider is just having chaff rats and bombarding them with globes and arty while cackling maniacally. JBP fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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Captain Oblivious posted:Wait hold up. Naggarond got rolled by KROQ? From the opposite side of the planet? I gotta see this I'de buy it. If Lizards are the kings of auto resolve, Kroq is the fuckin' God-Emperor.
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Xae posted:I'de buy it.
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Kainser posted:I'm pretty sure Chameleon skinks are the best units on the lizardmen roster. they're also the most adorable units, those toad pelts!!!!!!!! 
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Poisonous toads to squeeze toxins from. A toad hat to hide underwater with. A spiritual leader toad to unite them all.
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Regular blowpipe skins are cuter. Unfortunately they also seem like useless trash.
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StashAugustine posted:Probably going to start playing this again since Wolf 2 isn't running on my laptop. ME seems like it needs more time in the oven, is multiplayer in a good spot right now? Multiplayer is pretty good right now in my opinion, certainly better than most total war games are. I think having a ton of varied factions has done a lot for how good the multiplayer is. Been especially enjoying playing dark elves, greenskins, dwarfs and high elves in quick battles. Anecdotally it feels like there’s a lot less arseholes at present though that could just be my luck.
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Playing ME as Empire, something I have noticed is that the vanilla maps are a lot more.. Warhammer. I don't know how to describe it but if you take the example of the first settlement you attack as Empire to take it off of the secessionists. in WH1, you would fight on this very vertical map with a lot of forests. This would be repeated for the settlement fight, and for any other fights in that territory (I have fought the Beastmen on it loads of times and the forest really helps them). This time though, I got a mostly flat plain, with a couple of hilly rises in both deployment zones, a farm and some trees in the middle of the map. The hill was high enough that I could deploy my handgunners behind my infantry line and they could happily shoot over them. It felt like an implementation of the most typical Warhammer Fantasy game board. And I have had a few other maps like this as well. Has anyone else noticed this? I like it, its just surprising. Phrosphor fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Okay so since I was playing a Delf campaign anyway I decided to just start a Mortal Empires one and I've reached the nightmare chaos swarm invasion while also fighting a pretty long and protracted battle with the High Elves. What should my end game Dark Elf armies be looking like. I'm not quite sure what do with their ranged units against those top tier high elf and choas armies but given the comical horde of eagles the AI seems to be mixing in I feel like having a crew is worthwhile. Anyone got advice assuming I have infinite money?
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I hope they've taken out that loving Lustria map where it's a sheer hill and nothing but trees so you can't set up well if you luck out on the poo poo deployment area and once you actually fight its just a crapshoot tree battle where you can't see what the gently caress is happening.
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Do lizardmen have a good counter to elf archer units that don't involve late game Dinos? Starting a Kroq and it seems like skink skirmishers don't stand a chance, nor do most of my cavalry unless I micro the gently caress out of them. First quest battle throws some shades at you almost immediately. Mazz fucked around with this message at 02:03 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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JBP posted:I hope they've taken out that loving Lustria map where it's a sheer hill and nothing but trees so you can't set up well if you luck out on the poo poo deployment area and once you actually fight its just a crapshoot tree battle where you can't see what the gently caress is happening. I loving despise heavily forested maps. Should be a cheat mod available that removes them.
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Pierson posted:Speaking of which are Censer Bearers an anti-armour variety of Plague Monks or a straight upgrade? They explicitly get the 'anti-armour' trait which monks don't, but they lose 'anti-infantry' at the same time, which is loving with my head when it comes to fighting armoured infantry. I'd say the censer bearers are a straight upgrade from Plague monks. Plague monks are a dedicated poison unit, while censer bearers are a 'great weapon' counterpart. Note that unlike many of their analogues both units have zilch for armor, and much like Death runners are meant to support another cheaper unit bogging down the target. Skrolk gets significant upkeep discounts to Plague monk units which really shines with the censer bearers.
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Panfilo posted:I'd say the censer bearers are a straight upgrade from Plague monks. Plague monks are a dedicated poison unit, while censer bearers are a 'great weapon' counterpart. Note that unlike many of their analogues both units have zilch for armor, and much like Death runners are meant to support another cheaper unit bogging down the target. Plague Monks don't have poison, they're a berserker unit with frenzy.
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Mazz posted:Do lizardmen have a good counter to elf archer units that don't involve late game Dinos? Starting a Kroq and it seems like skink skirmishers don't stand a chance, nor do most of my cavalry unless I micro the gently caress out of them. March stupid numbers of Saurus warriors at them and upgrade them as hard as you can early. HE/DE ranged is brutal, but you can march your shielded Saurus through absolute hell and worst case is they'll get close and rampage. Kroq will make it cheap enough to run with nothing but Saurus and they're a very mid-tier unit so you can stomp over the top of most armies early in the game. Tardcore posted:Plague Monks don't have poison, they're a berserker unit with frenzy. I think Skrolk is able to give them poison (or some other tech thing) but I can't 100% recall. JBP fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Mazz posted:Do lizardmen have a good counter to elf archer units that don't involve late game Dinos? Starting a Kroq and it seems like skink skirmishers don't stand a chance, nor do most of my cavalry unless I micro the gently caress out of them. Chameleon Skinks have huge resistance to missiles, hit them from the flank. Cold ones can eat em up pretty good too, just give them orders to flank. If they have too many archers your saurus should smash through their line.
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sucks to your rear end-mar posted:I loving despise heavily forested maps. Should be a cheat mod available that removes them. I think they should keep the forested maps, but let you use units that deal fire damage to burn the trees down. Warpfire throwers would get a LOT more interesting.
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Helion posted:Chameleon Skinks have huge resistance to missiles, hit them from the flank. Cold ones can eat em up pretty good too, just give them orders to flank. If they have too many archers your saurus should smash through their line. Kroq Gar is a non gently caress giving LL as well, so if you put him on a cold one it negates needing loads of cav as he can merrily accomplish whatever killing is the priority.
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It's Kroq's first quest battle, so its really just ignoring 3 units of shades long enough to not get hammered by the actual stack you have to fight later on. They are basically going to delete a unit of Saurus in that time. Seemed annoying to not really have any answer to shades, since my starting Cold Ones lose pretty handily if they stay in melee, or really make contact at all (I havent found real use for cav yet in my HE or DE games either compared to just more monsters). The Stega and Kroq just routing them as a priority might be an answer I guess, or just ignoring the quest till I have a better stack, but that seems kinda weird since I never did that with any of my other lords.
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I think I sent some dudes via the trees and let the stegadon deal with the witch elves. Kroq rode his little dino into the archers and then rounded on the main force once they broke. I'm pretty sure I had a full stack though and probably ten units of Saurus warriors since I just shat them out early knowing Kroq was going to make them mean as gently caress really quickly while maintaining manageable upkeep. e: I'm not sure if it's random, but I think you usually get blessed terradons early in for one of the quests as well. They're not a wonderous unit, but they'll do well to wreck shards while Saurus engage the line. JBP fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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