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Snacksmaniac
Jan 12, 2008

Dies to removal am I right folks?

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suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


Snacksmaniac posted:

Dies to removal am I right folks?

Mox Diamond, Bayou, Doom Blade.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



suicidesteve posted:

Mox Diamond, Bayou, Doom Blade.

I get it

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

suicidesteve posted:

Name another turn 1 play that's even close in power level at such a low cost.

Dark Ritual - Hymn to Tourach :smuggo:

born on a buy you
Aug 14, 2005

Odd Fullback
Bird Gang
Sack Them All

suicidesteve posted:

Name another turn 1 play that's even close in power level at such a low cost.

Chalice for 1.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012


This is the real answer and it's good.

Pontius Pilate
Jul 25, 2006

Crucify, Whale, Crucify
Ban DRS and chalice in all formats.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Ban formats

suicidesteve
Jan 4, 2006

"Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.


Yes there's absolutely no cost to playing the card Chalice of the Void in your deck.

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

suicidesteve posted:

Yes there's absolutely no cost to playing the card Chalice of the Void in your deck.

This but unironically.

It's one of the best cards in both Legacy and Modern.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



The Shortest Path posted:

This but unironically.

It's one of the best cards in both Legacy and Modern.

suicidesteve's point is that there are serious deckbuilding constraints on chalice but the deckbuilding constraints on DRS basically consist of "play black or green mana and don't play a combo deck(or play elves)"

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

suicidesteve posted:

Name a deck that doesn't play Deathrite and isn't a turn 1 goldfish deck.

Deathrite makes that deck bad to unplayable.

Edit: Maybe not Sneak and Show but who wants that around?

of the top 8 decks at the Legacy Open that just happened

4 play Deathrite
1 is a fast combo deck
3 are non-fast decks that do not play deathrite

of the top 16
8 play deathrite
1 is a fast combo deck
7 are non-fast decks not playing deathrite

I mean you can argue its too strong all you want, but it's probably a good idea for your arguments to at least vaguely adhere to reality

LGD fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Oct 30, 2017

Tubgoat
Jun 30, 2013

by sebmojo
Ban fetches, unban Top.

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

LGD posted:

of the top 8 decks at the Legacy Open that just happened

4 play Deathrite
1 is a fast combo deck
3 are non-fast decks that do not play deathrite

of the top 16
8 play deathrite
1 is a fast combo deck
7 are non-fast decks not playing deathrite

I mean you can argue its too strong all you want, but it's probably a good idea for your arguments to at least vaguely adhere to reality

i mean if we're gonna look at this limited a statistic then maybe a card appearing in half the winning decks is a problem

but then we're looking at banning force of will and nooooooooo

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

mandatory lesbian posted:

i mean if we're gonna look at this limited a statistic then maybe a card appearing in half the winning decks is a problem

but then we're looking at banning force of will and nooooooooo

well yeah, but there are a fair number of cards with similar representation and I don't think that's necessarily a good metric for banning, especially in an eternal format, the point was that "DRS has driven all non-fast-combo-DRS-less decks out of the format!" is just obviously factually untrue- I mean seriously go look at a few top 8's of recent events (literally just past 10 events above 1 star)

like it shouldn't surprise anyone that various Delver/Deathblade/4c Leovold shitpile lists are quite prevalent at the moment, it's pretty much what any reasonable observer would have expected after Miracles got nuked, but there just isn't much evidence that any of those archetypes or DRS itself is actually oppressive for the format- and the decks DRS is best against are typically the sort where it's not the worst idea in the world to provide tools to suppress them, since they're largely degenerate graveyard-based strategies

Tainen
Jan 23, 2004
Rivals reprint

TwistedNails
Dec 1, 2008

Tainen posted:

Rivals reprint



I like that promo art, good reprint.

Madmarker
Jan 7, 2007

Dammint, I wasn't going to play standard, but now I know I can play a deck that will at least have this:

4 Kumena's Speaker
4 Metallic Mimic
4 Merfolk Branch Walker
4 Silvergill Adept

It is a poo poo version of my favorite Modern Deck
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I'm in.

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received
B-b-but Silvergill refers to a specific group on Lorywn! I can't believe the same company that would so adamantly stick to flavor for being a reason to not reprint cards would suddenly be okay with it if it meant making a better set!

Can you believe DTK having no baby dragons because we said so and we can't tell ourselves no was two years ago?

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



A coral merfolk that replaces itself in your hand seems fine.

Surely a silver gill coloration could have developed independently on Ixalan. :v:

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


AlternateNu posted:

I didn't realize planeswalkers could be Pushed or Pathed.

you sound pretty invested in the card not actually being good. i wonder why that is

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



gepgepgep posted:

Any ability to advise what the conditions are close to?

I'm not really an appraiser, but if they were my cards and I were planning to put them on eBay or w/e, I'd describe them thus:
Tablet: Heavily played (Fair)
Tropical Island: Lightly-Moderately Played (Very Good+)
Wheel of Fortune: Moderately Played (Good)

With the caveat that I'm looking at photos. You can check them front and back, hold them oblique to the light to look for scratches, marks, and divots, etc.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!

rabidsquid posted:

you sound pretty invested in the card not actually being good. i wonder why that is

Please continue wondering because whatever reason you’re thinking, you’re probably wrong. :)

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!

Tainen posted:

Rivals reprint



:swoon:

mandatory lesbian
Dec 18, 2012

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

B-b-but Silvergill refers to a specific group on Lorywn! I can't believe the same company that would so adamantly stick to flavor for being a reason to not reprint cards would suddenly be okay with it if it meant making a better set!

Can you believe DTK having no baby dragons because we said so and we can't tell ourselves no was two years ago?

hey at least they learned eventually, thats a win in my book

Tainen
Jan 23, 2004

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012


:prepop:

Now that is a Timmy card.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?




:drat:
I feel sad at the state of your soul if there's not enough Timmy in your heart to get at least a little excited at a 12/12 trample with a built-in mechanic to help cheat it into play.

Elyv
Jun 14, 2013



if we have Elder Dinosaurs Old Fogey better get a new type

Count Bleck
Apr 5, 2010

DISPEL MAGIC!


Oh hot mama.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Turn 1 Old Growth Dryads (lol)
Turn 2 Drover of the Mighty
Turn 3 Deathgorge Scavenger or whatever.
Turn 4: Living the Dream for [1][G][G]

:v:

E: turn 5 your opponent makes it walk the plank for [b][b] womp womp

En Fuego
Oct 8, 2004

The Reverend
Who's a good dino?

WHOOOOOS A GOOD DINO

OgreNoah
Nov 18, 2003

Elyv posted:

if we have Elder Dinosaurs Old Fogey better get a new type

They unfortunately never release Oracle text for Un-sets :(

80s James Hetfield
Jan 20, 2004

METAL UP YOUR ASS

If anything that dude should be Uncounterable and Hexproof

Is there a storyline reason why Carnage Tyrant is

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Pac-Manioc Root posted:

Turn 1 Old Growth Dryads (lol)
Turn 2 Drover of the Mighty
Turn 3 Deathgorge Scavenger or whatever.
Turn 4: Living the Dream for [1][G][G]

:v:

E: turn 5 your opponent makes it walk the plank for [b][b] womp womp

Death's Shadow in Modern becomes the Rock?
Two mana, and needing a DS means this is worse than Death's Shadow, but having Trample is actually kinda relevant.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



80s James Hetfield posted:

If anything that dude should be Uncounterable and Hexproof

Is there a storyline reason why Carnage Tyrant is

Balance-wise I feel like that much resistance to removal on an absurd beater you can very conceivably drop turn 3-4 would be, you know, repulsive.

Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 16:14 on Oct 30, 2017

GoutPatrol
Oct 17, 2009

*Stupid Babby*

OgreNoah posted:

They unfortunately never release Oracle text for Un-sets :(

I believe Maro said they would fix the oracle text of all the un-sets after Unstable comes out.

C-Euro
Mar 20, 2010

:science:
Soiled Meat

I wish I could go back in time and show kid me this card.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



C-Euro posted:

I wish I could go back in time and show kid me this card.

Yeah but how would you ever go back to ramping up to Force of Nature with Llanowar Elves like a sucker, knowing what dreams would be possible in a mere quarter century?

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Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

I see WoTC is firmly in the pocket of Big Dino. :rolleye:

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