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Phlegmish posted:I think it's a cool and good gesture, but it's also just that: a gesture. They're throwing a few bones to a nationalist base that is coming dangerously close to seeing them as yet another Belgian regime party. Nothing will come of it. Is it though? I thought Belgium automatically denied asylum applications from citizens of other EU countries. It could even be an EU rule.
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It seems instinctively unlikely to me that it’s possible to seek asylum from one EU country within another.
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Is it though? I thought Belgium automatically denied asylum applications from citizens of other EU countries. It could even be an EU rule. Yes. Belgium is one of the few exceptions. e: I didn't know before today either
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lmao if you end up in the refugee redistribution program and get assigned back to your home country
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Im gonna fight in the Catalonian civil war. If it pops off. I mean dude way cooler than isisland syria. I mean I speak spanish and am a Soldier. I could score some mondo spanish pussy while defending the GATES OF LA CIUDAD
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The treatment this issue has had in the Anglo-Saxon press has been kind of weird.Feels like everybody is just cumming on the prospect of reenacting Hemingway and writing it's own homage to Catalonia without regard of the issue.
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LeoMarr posted:Im gonna fight in the Catalonian civil war. If it pops off. I mean dude way cooler than isisland syria. I mean I speak spanish and am a Soldier. I could score some mondo spanish pussy while defending the GATES OF LA CIUDAD RIP Leomarr. His red text predicted the outcome.
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hump day bitches! posted:The treatment this issue has had in the Anglo-Saxon press has been kind of weird.Feels like everybody is just cumming on the prospect of reenacting Hemingway and writing it's own homage to Catalonia without regard of the issue.
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LeoMarr posted:Im gonna fight in the Catalonian civil war. If it pops off. I mean dude way cooler than isisland syria. I mean I speak spanish and am a Soldier. I could score some mondo spanish pussy while defending the GATES OF LA CIUDAD Which ciudad would you be defending specifically
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Phlegmish posted:Which ciudad would you be defending specifically All the ciudads.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:For all of these reasons, the concept of an orderly and peaceful secession in this day and age is a fantasy, now more than ever since the degree of complexity in society is so much bigger than it used to be. Without necessarily expressing an opinion on whether Catalan independence is a good or a bad idea, this is not true. The Czech Republic and Slovakia divorced on good terms. If Scotland had voted Yes I don't think there would have been Challenger IIs rolling down the Royal Mile, either. It can be done, though rather by definition only if both sides accept it's necessary.
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feedmegin posted:Without necessarily expressing an opinion on whether Catalan independence is a good or a bad idea, this is not true. The Czech Republic and Slovakia divorced on good terms. If Scotland had voted Yes I don't think there would have been Challenger IIs rolling down the Royal Mile, either. It can be done, though rather by definition only if both sides accept it's necessary. I mentioned Czechoslovakia as an exception in the previous post. Nevertheless, I don't think it's a good comparison, for one thing because it was mutually agreed, but mainly because complexity has increased since then. Czechoslovakia wasn't an EU member, the WTO (GATT) wasn't as advanced as it is now, Czechoslovakia was still in the process of dismantling the central-planning regime, and it didn't have a fully convertible currency. Settling all the matters also took much longer than is commonly thought (good piece comparing the breakup of Czechoslvakia with a possible Scottish secession here). The relevant comparison for Catalonia's secession in my view would be Brexit, except worse because no ground rules for secession are in place, and it would be even easier for politicians to inflame nationalist sentiment on both sides. So while I don't foresee tanks rolling down the Ramblas either, I would certainly predict spikes in unemployment, bank runs, and other kinds of dislocation (e: this would probably apply to Scotland or other seceding places too). Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 12:37 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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The court process has started, time for the Catalonian government to buckle up or grab the first plane out of the EU.
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Why the gently caress is Belgium touching the poop Do these people want the EU just gone
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orange sky posted:Why the gently caress is Belgium touching the poop Yes (not joking). Or at least, I wouldn't be surprised if Francken did. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Yes (not joking). gently caress. Belgium is kind of the last country I expected to want the EU to end, Benelux makes all the good money with the EU institutions. People are just never happy, damnit.
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Also lol if Italy suddenly thinks it's a good idea to go back to city states and multiple civil wars start rising Let's run this poo poo into the ground!
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Not Belgium as a whole, just the minister responsible for their asylum policy and I suspect the Flemish nationalist party he belongs to.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Not Belgium as a whole, just the minister responsible for their asylum policy and I suspect the Flemish nationalist party he belongs to. And what's the public opinion like on that one?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-a8027366.html loving lol. I'm hoping that that one poster earlier was right when he said Puigdemont would end up in the EU's refugee resettlement policy and get extradited to Spain, so 2017 can blow our minds one final time. What a year. EDIT: N-VA doesn't really want to see the EU end I think. Wasn't there a slogan of theirs along the lines of "an independent Flanders in a strong Europe" or something? Or "Crucial for Flanders, good for Europe?" They always seemed to be into the whole Europe of Regions thing, similar to the Catalan dream of being an EU Member but outside of their former countries. Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 14:24 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Not Belgium as a whole, just the minister responsible for their asylum policy and I suspect the Flemish nationalist party he belongs to. What is this, they do not want the EU gone, in fact the EU is often cited as the main thing that will allow the 19th-century dinosaur states to evaporate in a Europe of the Regions. In any case, Puigdemont is in Brussels to give a press conference, not to demand asylum (lol)
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Deltasquid posted:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...t-a8027366.html Lmao Is that even remotely possible?
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Phlegmish posted:What is this, they do not want the EU gone, in fact the EU is often cited as the main thing that will allow the 19th-century dinosaur states to evaporate in a Europe of the Regions. I suspected Francken of this simply because of his not so veiled racism and his connections to extreme right figures, but I guess I'm mistaken then. But since there is not going to be a Europe of the Regions, I wonder if they'd still like the EU if it stayed as it was.
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They're perfectly fine with the EU as it stands, as long as they can bail on the Walloons and maybe turn it into a Festung Europa of sorts that sends foreigners back forever.
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I don't particularly like Francken but his actual immigration policies are not significantly more strict than those of his predecessor, he just can't stop putting his foot in his mouth. If Puigdemont actually does demand asylum I will laugh forever, Francken was just bluffing to placate the Flemish Movement, which generally likes Catalonia.
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I am so very much hoping something got lost in translation and Puigdemont actually asks for asylum and Francken puts his foot in his mouth a few more times while Charles Michel scrambles to placate the Spanish government.
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In case anyone is serious about this: No, he can't get asylum. It's not just something countries hand out at will. There is a whole legal process and formal legal criteria. He doesn't qualify.
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Francken: Bro you can stay at my place Michel: [giant anime sweat drop appears on forehead]
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Phlegmish posted:Francken: Bro you can stay at my place Rajoy: "Omae wa mo shindeiru" Puigdemont & Francken: "naniii"
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I wouldn't be surprised if part of Francken's messaging is just because his party, a flemish separatist party, spent its entire time in government focusing not on splitting the country, but cutting taxes on corporations and upper income brackets. This is just their way of messaging "we're still committed to that whole separatist agenda. Just you know, not in belgium, right now. Elsewhere's cool though."
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Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:In case anyone is serious about this: No, he can't get asylum. It's not just something countries hand out at will. There is a whole legal process and formal legal criteria. He doesn't qualify. As an erudite man on the facebook comments section of de morgen said: "De linkse maskers vallen af , net nu Theo asiel wilt verlenen aan een buitenlandse leider die moet vrezen voor zijn leven , schreeuwen de linkse hippies en roze mutsen dat asiel geven geen opportuniteit is . Maar wel janken als Theo illegalen wilt deporteren en parken wilt opkuisen . Linkse hippies zijn de fascisten van deze eeuw ."
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Phlegmish posted:In any case, Puigdemont is in Brussels to give a press conference, not to demand asylum (lol) He needed to take five ministers with him to hold a simple press conference?
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Phlegmish posted:Francken: Bro you can stay at my place Michel is such a poo poo PM. Even Di Rupo had a better control of his administration.
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So if the catalonian government fails to help its people and spain rolls in and starts a Northeen Irelans style occupation, wont this in turn make violent revolts easier to take part in? Or the electibility of an ultra nationalist party becomes easier while there are spanish troops quartering peoples homes. Seems like once you start throwing easy groups of targets (Police grouping, National Guard, etc) in city centers it opens up a floodgate of violence that only escalates or de-escalates based on the responses. If the police do anything but shield wall up and block entrance it would see that Tear Gassing, Rubber bullet pelting, Arrests and all that would just create more violence. All this will come to a head with bullets and bombs of course. WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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Cataluña? I think you mean North-Eastern Castile 
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LeoMarr posted:So if the catalonian government fails to help its people and spain rolls in and starts a Northeen Irelans style occupation, wont this in turn make violent revolts easier to take part in? Or the electibility of an ultra nationalist party becomes easier while there are spanish troops quartering peoples homes. The Spanish government would never do anything that stupis.
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fishmech posted:Right, but why does that need the dinosaur states of the immediate post world war ii era? Because EU at the moment does not have a governing mechanism that both fairly and equally represents all EU citizens, and has sufficient popular support in all the member states. Any of the current member states splitting up is going to mean a tough renegotiation of a lot of fundamental EU treaties.
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sooo Puigdemont is preparingto do a runner. He hired a belgian lawyer (who has spent a large part of his career defending Spanish Basque asylum seekers) to "defend his interests in Belgium". https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2017/10/30/belgische-advocaat-paul-bekaert-aangesteld-als-raadsman-voor-pui/ right now he's not requested asylum. I assume when the spanish prosecution presses charges/the court case proceeds, he will. double nine fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Oct 30, 2017 |
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lollontee posted:The Spanish government would never do anything that stupis. Yes, the Spanish government is clearly very clear headed and rational, not at all showing its reactionary and frankly rather Francoish tendency during the last months.....
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