It's a bug's life- Let's Play Hollow Knight!

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Glazius: Jul 22, 2007; Hail all those who are able,
any mouse can,
any mouse will,
but the Guard prevail.; Clapping Larry

If nothing else, the Dream Nail has been a pretty neat unlock for boss refights.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 05:15

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# ? May 24, 2024 17:28

SirSamVimes: Jul 21, 2008; ~* Challenge *~

fractalairduct posted:

If you're talking about Grey Prince Zote, Highwang has mentioned that boss in the lp before. I'm not sure if he knows about White Defender, though, seeing as how he didn't know about that room until someone brought it up in the thread.

I was actually wondering when he was gonna do those because I'm pretty the conditions for both of them are fulfilled.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 06:31

GenericOverusedName: Nov 24, 2009; KUVA TEAM EPIC

So the next free content pack drops in a few hours, that'll be fun.

# ? Oct 26, 2017 13:06

ousire: Dec 11, 2013; Now, Red! Seal the deal with a catchy one-liner!

Hollow Knight is on sale on Steam. :woop:

34% off!

# ? Oct 28, 2017 03:03

Highwang: Nov 7, 2013; No Pineapple?
No Thank You!

ousire posted:

Hollow Knight is on sale on Steam. 34% off!

Hell yeah it is. Also Grimm Troupe was pretty dope.

# ? Oct 28, 2017 03:39

SgtSteel91: Oct 21, 2010

Highwang posted:

Hell yeah it is. Also Grimm Troupe was pretty dope.

Will you be showing it for this LP?

# ? Oct 28, 2017 04:03

Turtlicious: Sep 17, 2012; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Hahaha literally pulled up the thread to ask the same question. I'm curious how the knew content and stuff will effect the LP.

# ? Oct 28, 2017 08:09

SirSamVimes: Jul 21, 2008; ~* Challenge *~

There's no reason to NOT show it, the game doesn't require you to restart or anything. The stuff just gets added into the world.

# ? Oct 28, 2017 23:32

Condoleezza Nice!: Jan 4, 2010; Lite som Robin Hood
fast inte

Hey Highwang! Try hitting Millibelle in the pleasure house spring. She didn't spend any of your money.

# ? Oct 30, 2017 01:15

lookw: Oct 7, 2014

Highwang posted:

Hell yeah it is. Also Grimm Troupe was pretty dope.

So did you see the (DLC content spoiler! read at your own risk!!) New addition to the white palace. the Path of Pain?

will you show that off? after the end?

# ? Oct 31, 2017 01:42

Highwang: Nov 7, 2013; No Pineapple?
No Thank You!

New Update - Episode 24: The White Palace

This place sucks.

lookw posted:

So did you see the (DLC content spoiler! read at your own risk!!) New addition to the white palace. the Path of Pain?

will you show that off? after the end?

Spoiler Alert for those who want lore:

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# ? Oct 31, 2017 02:02

Dancer: May 23, 2011

_{(not meant seriously I get that some people don't like this gameplay)}

# ? Oct 31, 2017 02:16

Dancer: May 23, 2011

"How the gently caress is this a king's castle?" -> it's debatable that it's not actually meant to be that, it's meant to be a vault that the king has actively tried to protect as much as possible. The safety mechanisms have become enmeshed in the memory and now you have... this.

At 6:55 you missed the Best shortcut, where you dash all the way above the sawblades. There are also so many spots where you could've cheesed it slightly, if you cared for it, by repeatedly down-swiping while being adjacent to vertical damage-stuff (saws or spikes). If you truly despise WP this much, and want to do it again (maybe because you want 100% steel soul), there are various tricks you can use.

At 17:05, the by far hardest dash of the set can be trivialized by using super-dash instead, saving you (I expect) a lot of frustration.

Note about the spoiler-y thing later in the video: you need to equip the charm, not just obtain it, to open that passage.

Dancer fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Oct 31, 2017

# ? Oct 31, 2017 02:22

fractalairduct: Sep 26, 2015; I, Giorno Giovanna, have a dream!

The recent update allows you to go back into White Palace whenever, by the way.

Crystal Guardian's second fight is actually super susceptible to damage rushing, it's not too bad if you equip Stawart Shell, Quick Slash and one of the lifeblood charms.

I see you're not getting every ending? Though I guess the one you missed is pretty much the same as another one.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 02:56

Precambrian: Apr 30, 2008

Someone in the Games thread explained that they saw the White Palace as representative of the process of trying to break into a highly fortified mind, rather than literally what the Palace looked like in the day. I think that explanation works for me. The buzzsaw noises are annoying, but it certainly gets across the "gently caress OFF" aspect of the King's paranoia.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 03:21

bewilderment: Nov 22, 2007; man what

So Highwang extols the virtues of Hiveblood, which is good for the white palace.

But as long as you don't need infinite tries - just, like, fifty of them per obstacle course - you can probably get through a little faster with the Grubsong and Deep Focus charms.

Grubsong gives you some soul back whenever you get hurt. Enough to heal about 45% of a health segment.
Deep Focus doubles the amount of healing you get when you heal, in exchange for a slightly longer charge time on the heal.
This means that whenever you get hurt, you get enough soul back to heal 90% of a health piece.

You can also refill your soul both on the Wingmoulds (the undying flying things) as well as the servant bugs, by using the Dream Nail repeatedly.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 03:33

cokerpilot: Apr 23, 2010; Battle Brothers! Stop coming to meetings drunk and trying to adopt Tevery Best!

Lord General! Stop standing on the table and making up stupid operation names!

Emperor, why do I put up with these people?

Highwang posted:

New Update - Episode 24: The White Palace

This place sucks.

Spoiler Alert for those who want lore:

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100 percent Highwang 100 percent.

Seriously though if there is legit something you can't do kill your self trying to do it for our sake.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 03:53

SirSamVimes: Jul 21, 2008; ~* Challenge *~

The White Palace is...

good

# ? Oct 31, 2017 03:56

Fish Noise: Jul 25, 2012; IT'S ME, BURROWS!

IT WAS ME ALL ALONG, BURROWS!

Highwang posted:

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# ? Oct 31, 2017 04:02

SirSamVimes: Jul 21, 2008; ~* Challenge *~

Catching up on the LP and I am deeply offended that y'all are disrespecting Gorb.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 05:14

Jetrauben: Sep 7, 2011; angered the evil eye lately

I'm not sure that the King's greed doomed Hallownest, as such. The way I see it, the Hollow Knight may well be infused with the will of the King. The thing is, whether or not the Vessel has any desires of its own is an open question. However, the King's last thoughts are literally: "No cost too great."

Given how he was willing to sacrifice everything else, he may well have sacrificed himself to create the Kingsbrand.

Throwing a wrench in this, too, is the fact that the Vessel is supposed to be monomaniacally focused on the infection, but you as the player can show independent initiative with sidequests that don't contribute to ending it at all. So is the Vessel truly hollow? Or did the King make a mistake and accidentally doom multitudes of Siblings to death and suffering by assuming he could create a being without a will?

I also think you're being a bit more negative on the King than is intended. While he's a flawed being, he's portrayed as meaning well and mostly building a decent society, he just messed up. A lot.

Also, the DLC's Path of Pain has some...interesting implications for the relationship between the King and the original Vessel, and why the Vessel may have failed.

That said: White Palace is such a pain in the rear.

Jetrauben fucked around with this message at 06:00 on Oct 31, 2017

# ? Oct 31, 2017 05:48

fractalairduct: Sep 26, 2015; I, Giorno Giovanna, have a dream!

Oh, right, there's some stuff in the room to the right of the king's throne, including what looks to be the birthplace of the Collector. You can also sit on the throne if you want.

I had some real trouble with that hall of spears. Everything else has a fairly intuitive way to get past it, but the timing in that is so ridiculously precise that I thought I had to be doing something wrong. I ended up using the Crystal Heart, some very precise timing, and a lot of luck.

DLC: As someone who enjoyed the White Palace, I literally could not get past the first obstacle in the Path of Pain. I probably could if I tried long enough, but it's not worth repeatedly hitting my head against just for lore. Also it doesn't count towards percentage completion.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 06:02

Johnny Joestar: Oct 21, 2010; Don't shoot him?

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'you don't need to do the white palace it's optional'

*white palace literally required for the true ending, a thing many people usually aim to get if it's an option even if they don't want to 100%*

:suicide:

# ? Oct 31, 2017 06:08

Lord_Magmar: Feb 24, 2015; "Welcome to pound town, Slifer slacker!"

Having been playing a bit recently I honestly think that the game does have a lot more precise platforming than you claim at the beginning, it's not constant and frustrating like it's done in White Palace but there is a fair amount of it outside the palace, usually involved in getting collectibles.

Also as others have said the King seems to have tried his best in an absolutely terrible situation, it just possibly wasn't ever going to be good enough due to the King just not seeing alternatives to his path. I certainly don't think that the King is the reason Hollownest is screwed so much as he failed miserably to save it properly with his initial attempt.

Edit: Having finished the episode I really think you've missed what's happened with the King, he's no worse than any other bug, but that's entirely the point. The King isn't wrong or right he just is.

Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Oct 31, 2017

# ? Oct 31, 2017 07:18

Roobanguy: May 31, 2011

Highwang posted:

New Update - Episode 24: The White Palace

This place sucks.

yeah. after i finished the level myself i posted this in the main thread.

Roobanguy posted:

I remember super meat boys too, developers.

it's not a fun level imo.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 09:31

fractalairduct: Sep 26, 2015; I, Giorno Giovanna, have a dream!

Johnny Joestar posted:

'you don't need to do the white palace it's optional'

*white palace literally required for the true ending, a thing many people usually aim to get if it's an option even if they don't want to 100%*

There was an interesting post from a Hollow Knight dev about this in the main thread:

George Lazenby posted:

The question of whether White Palace is or feels 'optional' is pretty interesting. Originally it was more detached from everything, but then we decided it would be a bit sad if it only lead to a powerup or something so we started thinking about how an 'alternate' ending could work. The idea is that you could finish the game without ever doing the hardest bits, but you could get a different outcome if you went for it. So in our minds, or from our point of view, we were adding content to the game by putting in a new ending behind White Palace as a reward for people who do it. But from a player's point of view, this feels more like we've taken the 'proper' ending of the game and locked it away behind the white palace, making people feel like they HAVE to do it.

Not sure if that made sense, but It's an interesting difference between the perspective of us as devs and players that I've been thinking about recently a fair bit. Certainly a lesson I'll remember for future projects.

I don't think that necessarily justifies the existence of White Palace, but it's pretty interesting to see where they were coming from in terms of game design.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 09:42

Highwang: Nov 7, 2013; No Pineapple?
No Thank You!

fractalairduct posted:

I don't think that necessarily justifies the existence of White Palace, but it's pretty interesting to see where they were coming from in terms of game design.

That's always the tricky part of designing towards multiple endings; people will figure out which one is 'canon' and feel mandated to get it. Its almost akin to going through Hell in Cave Story.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 14:42

Johnny Joestar: Oct 21, 2010; Don't shoot him?

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like, not to actually get into details, but that ending is arguably the 'good' one and also has more going on, so of course people are gonna want to get it. i would have less issue with the zone if it felt better-integrated with the rest of the game instead of being 'hey let's copy a bunch of whirring buzzsaws everywhere ' and actually had more meaning to the challenges in there. i feel like people go out of their way to ignore how hamhanded the implementation is to yell about how people are just whining.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 16:09

LashLightning: Feb 20, 2010; You know you didn't have to go post that, right?
But it's fine, I guess...
You just keep being you!

The Original Vessel failed because the King gave him self-esteem. "Man, you're gonna kick so much rear end and save the day, it's gonna be great!

# ? Oct 31, 2017 17:39

Genocyber: Jun 4, 2012

Y'know Highwang, I figured you had already reached the depths of depravity by being a pizza-hater. Now I've learned that you call My Hero Academia Boku no Hero Academia. Will you not stop your descent into madness!?

And oh boy, the White Palace. Easily the most contentious area in the game. I think I'm in agreement that it's badly designed on account of it being such a swerve in presentation from everything that came before. On the other hand I do think they did a decent enough job justifying it's existence. It's a structure that exists to guard a portion of the soul of the king, of course it has ridiculous defenses. And while it does offer a different kind of experience than everything else in the game, that can be a good thing as it adds a bit of variety. I think the big mistake they made was hinging the true ending on its completion. If it was just 100% then it would be just like the Trials of Fools; an ultra-hard challenge for the ~~stupidfoolish~~brave but one that could be ignored by anyone that doesn't have the inclination to take it on. But with the true ending being locked behind it it ends up becoming a requisite thing to do since most players that make it this far in are going to want the best ending. And therein lies the problem.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 18:23

anilEhilated: Feb 17, 2014; But I say fuck the rain.; Grimey Drawer

I've always handwaved the ridiculous sawblades as being wishful thinking on part of the guard whose mind we're invading. Guy was really into his job.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 18:31

Jetrauben: Sep 7, 2011; angered the evil eye lately

The weird thing about the White Palace mechanically is that as Highwang says the actual feel of the place isn't hostile. It's soft, warm, and wistful. The "saws and spikes EVERYWHERE" mechanics aren't really a good fit for an area that should remind you of the lost grandeur of Hallownest at its height.

Compare to the City of Tears, and indeed most places in the game.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 19:43

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Highwang posted:

That's always the tricky part of designing towards multiple endings; people will figure out which one is 'canon' and feel mandated to get it. Its almost akin to going through Hell in Cave Story.

Shadow of War has the same issue. It ends where you expect it to and then has a "faffing about fighting orcs" mode because they know that's what most people wanted more of from Shadow of Mordor. It's basically an Endless Mode but because they put in a "holy carp you've been doing this a lot, have a cookie" cutscene, some people view it as the second half of the game and complain about the grindiness and lack of new story and such.

It's a fine line to walk, made harder by people not having the line in the same place. Stupid people, always mucking things up, why can't they just conform?

# ? Oct 31, 2017 19:47

azren: Feb 14, 2011

Since you have to do the White Palace to get it, I have a suspicion as to the true ending:

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# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:40

Iretep: Nov 10, 2009

fractalairduct posted:

Oh, right, there's some stuff in the room to the right of the king's throne, including what looks to be the birthplace of the Collector. You can also sit on the throne if you want.

my experience with the throne room was basically looking at the kings soul for the text and then looking around and finding the all the extra stuff. of course it was all just some useless extra stuff so i was getting pissed that after the white palace all i was getting was some STUPID loving LORE?! in my anger i started hitting the the kings corpse and went oh.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 20:45

Philippe: Aug 9, 2013; (she/her)

Bruceski posted:

Shadow of War has the same issue. It ends where you expect it to and then has a "faffing about fighting orcs" mode because they know that's what most people wanted more of from Shadow of Mordor. It's basically an Endless Mode but because they put in a "holy carp you've been doing this a lot, have a cookie" cutscene, some people view it as the second half of the game and complain about the grindiness and lack of new story and such.

It's a fine line to walk, made harder by people not having the line in the same place. Stupid people, always mucking things up, why can't they just conform?

So it's like The Phantom Pain?

# ? Oct 31, 2017 21:33

Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Tasteful Dickpic posted:

So it's like The Phantom Pain?

Phantom Pain it was clearly a patch to cover up falling short in game development, so I don't consider it in the same boat. This is the point where what was intended as "postgame/bonus content" shifts the viewer's opinion of where the actual end of the game is so it becomes "maingame content" in their eyes. Phantom Pain did it the other way round, where they had the story laid out for the whole game but not enough actual game to fill it so it was a slapdash paint job.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 22:02

paragon1: Nov 22, 2010; FULL COMMUNISM NOW

So how'd the Hollow Knight end up out of the Abyss and wondering around outside Hollownest proper I wonder? The opening of the game would have you think you're just some guy who came upon these ruins that plenty of other people are interested in seeing for various reasons.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 22:21

SirSamVimes: Jul 21, 2008; ~* Challenge *~

LashLightning posted:

The Original Vessel failed because the King gave him self-esteem. "Man, you're gonna kick so much rear end and save the day, it's gonna be great! "

I mean that's just one theory of what the idea was. Also, it was an "idea instilled", not an ideal. Another theory I've seen is that the Hollow Knight looked back and saw our vessel reject clinging to the platform and felt a moment of pity, and that was the idea that fractured its emptiness.

I also dispute the idea that our boy is any more empty. A truly empty vessel is essentially an automaton who does everything for one specific purpose: Stopping the infection. A lot of the things that you do in this game (optional, admittedly) kind of work against that. Rescuing Bretta, bloodsport fighting in an arena, delivering flowers are all kind of whimsical acts and kind of imply that you aren't truly hollow.

paragon1 posted:

So how'd the Hollow Knight end up out of the Abyss and wondering around outside Hollownest proper I wonder? The opening of the game would have you think you're just some guy who came upon these ruins that plenty of other people are interested in seeing for various reasons.

There must have been other ways out of the Abyss because you're not the only one who got out. There's the Broken Vessel and also Nosk had a few vessel corpses strung up.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 23:46

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# ? May 24, 2024 17:28

Dancer: May 23, 2011

paragon1 posted:

So how'd the Hollow Knight end up out of the Abyss and wondering around outside Hollownest proper I wonder? The opening of the game would have you think you're just some guy who came upon these ruins that plenty of other people are interested in seeing for various reasons.

I recall seeing some reddit thread about this, with posts by at least one person who seemed to have gone rather deeply into the lore, and the conclusion was basically we have no information to go on. Of course they might be wrong, but I imagine someone would've pointed it out if there was anything concrete to work with.

# ? Oct 31, 2017 23:49

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