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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Pope Guilty posted:

I kind of feel like one Lottery of Babylon is enough.

Yeah I realized that after I copypasted it, but somehow hit submit anyway

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Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


The Vosgian Beast posted:

Like the 70s feminists who in theory wanted to be lesbians, the average beta will not act out on his homophilia (although one senses he is ready to be pushed in that direction), unless of course he is English.

Wait, what?

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Puppy Time posted:

Wait, what?

Archie Bunker posted:

England is a fag country!

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

I mean if your entire point of reference is porn then it's understandable to think that England consists entirely of weak gay men and stern dominatrixes

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



To be fair, I would assume anyone who thinks that Britain is populated with sexual deviants may have just been paying attention to current affairs.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


Well, yeah, sexual deviants is par for the course, I just haven't ever heard the stereotype of British men all being secretly gay.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

Puppy Time posted:

Well, yeah, sexual deviants is par for the course, I just haven't ever heard the stereotype of British men all being secretly gay.
Right? I'm pretty sure that was the French.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Puppy Time posted:

Well, yeah, sexual deviants is par for the course, I just haven't ever heard the stereotype of British men all being secretly gay.

Are you American, because it's definitely a stereotype I've encountered plenty growing up in the US. Not necessarily always gay specifically though, generally just "effeminate" which to a lot of people is the same thing :shrug:

Death Ray
Jan 20, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 6 years!)

pookel posted:



ETA: I know the breakdown in the link above says he'll basically break even, but that's assuming the project will actually get done, which ... I have doubts about.

When you have a fan base of Philip J. Frys ("Shut up and take my money!"), you won't be in a hurry to finish, that's for sure.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


ate all the Oreos posted:

Are you American, because it's definitely a stereotype I've encountered plenty growing up in the US. Not necessarily always gay specifically though, generally just "effeminate" which to a lot of people is the same thing :shrug:

Well, yeah, "effeminate," but more in the vein of asexual rather than gay. Like pookel said, I'd assume the "secretly all gay" stereotype is more applied to the French.

darkwasthenight
Jan 7, 2011

GENE TRAITOR

Puppy Time posted:

Wait, what?

It's true, sadly; just endless willies and bums as far as the eye can see round here. Frightful really.

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


So you're saying "Nine naked men" was a documentary?

noether
May 1, 2017

some kinda cutesy shoggoth
this is probably more manosphere than dark enlightenment specifically, but the two groups have near total overlap anyway so what the hell.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/the-masculinization-of-the-western-white-female/

quote:

he pictures above are computer generated composites of, on the left, eight hot babes from Askmen.com’s Top 99 Women of 2008, and on the right, seven Best Actress Oscar winners from the 1940s. If you go to the Dienekes link, you’ll see photos of the individual women used to make the composites.

A couple thoughts…

Both women are attractive. This isn’t a comparison between beautiful and not beautiful; it’s a comparison between two beauties of nuanced facial differences. My jizzbombs would travel impressive distances with either woman in my bed of sin, though I’d feel more emotional satisfaction — more OWNAGE — spackling the woman on the right because she has the look of Bambi-fied innocence. The woman on the left is only superficially penetrable.

reading this paragraph dramatically reduced my quality of life. I don't ever want to hear one of these guys talk about sex again. gotta love how the right continuously flirts with pedophilia, too.

quote:

I bet if I could feel the cheeks of each woman the cheek of the 2008 composite would have a soft layer of vellous peach fuzz, while the cheek of the 1940s composite would be nearly free of vestigial ape fur. I’d also bet that the 2008 composite is sluttier than the 1940s composite, and more likely to make you eat a dick sandwich.

again, physical maturity in women is somehow framed as a bad thing

quote:

Naturally sluttier women are enjoying greater rewards than long term commitment-oriented women as the sexual market since the 1950s has evolved toward advantaging short term hookups and disincentivizing settling down ... As masculinization plays a major role in determining how eager a woman will be to ride the cock carousel, the single mother slut wave of post-nuclear family America has evolved a generally manlier disposition in both appearance and attitude.

single mother slut wave would be a great band name or internet handle. I wish I'd read this rear end in a top hat's stuff before I registered an account here

quote:

Gender bending chemical sabotage is altering the sexual landscape. High carb, low fat diets are making women more masculine and the Pill is loving with women’s mate selection filters. Estrogenic compounds in the water supply from urine secreted by women on the Pill may also be messing around with male hormonal profiles, contributing to the recent shift to dandyism.

everything always comes back to effemimania with these fuckers, I swear.

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!
Ugh, he's doing it again

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

From the student back to the master: he's now doing the Scott thing. At least he didn't mention race and IQ.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

noether posted:

My jizzbombs would travel impressive distances with either woman in my bed of sin, though I’d feel more emotional satisfaction — more OWNAGE — spackling the woman on the right because she has the look of Bambi-fied innocence.

NO I AM NOT A SERIAL KILLER THANKS FOR ASKING I JUST LIKE TO DESTROY THINGS THAT ARE BEAUTIFUL AND INNOCENT

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

noether posted:

this is probably more manosphere than dark enlightenment specifically, but the two groups have near total overlap anyway so what the hell.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/the-masculinization-of-the-western-white-female/
Does he not realize that 90% of the difference between these faces is makeup? It's like those 4chan 1-10 hotness memes where the only difference between a 4 and a 9 is makeup and lighting.

Also the '40s one is trying to achieve a look of wide-eyed innocence with heavy eye makeup, so yeah definitely creepy pedo stuff.

p.s. You would never feel peach fuzz on the chin of either one, hair removal has been around since the Egyptians FFS, and if it were there it would be covered by heavy stage makeup anyway.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

ate all the Oreos posted:

NO I AM NOT A SERIAL KILLER THANKS FOR ASKING I JUST LIKE TO DESTROY THINGS THAT ARE BEAUTIFUL AND INNOCENT
No, no, he just wants to fill her crevices with stuff made for drywall repair, why on Earth would that be creepy

Puppy Time
Mar 1, 2005


pookel posted:

Does he not realize that 90% of the difference between these faces is makeup? It's like those 4chan 1-10 hotness memes where the only difference between a 4 and a 9 is makeup and lighting.

You seriously think these guys, with their mortal terror of cooties, would willingly learn anything about makeup? poo poo, most guys think natural look makeup is no makeup.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow
Every time PUAs write about having sex, it always sounds like they're secretly asexual and find it disgusting, but don't want to let other people know

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp
Weirdly, the comment section on that Heartiste piece is of a far higher caliber than usual for MRA types, including an in-depth discussion of racial beauty standards and a black guy very politely pointing out that a bunch of the white guys there are racist morons:

quote:

Since this is a discussion about beauty, ie sexual attraction, I recall the many backs and forths on the question of whether Black Women in America – who look a lot closer to Oprah (West African) than to Iman (East African) were indeed sexually desirable to White Men. One would think that such a notion wouldn’t even be up for serious debate, since “race mixing” often took place at the point of a gun or lash on the part of many a Slave Master. This is recounted dramatically in the early 70s film Goodbye To Uncle Tom, directed by an Italian. It has a scene where the Slavers’ wives are all sitting around discussing why their hubbies would slip out of bed late at night and head on down to the slave quarters-and less than a year later, light skined babies would start showing up.

...

Finally, I’ve found that White Males like to discuss “HBD” so long as they can do so w/o a “holla back” from the very “NAMs” they excoriate. It all comes off as a kind of elaborate sham designed to allow for what in many cases is simply rank bigotry and out and out racism to flourish, under the rubric of “science” and in the name of, ironically enough, “keeping it real”.

Also:

Puppy Time posted:

You seriously think these guys, with their mortal terror of cooties, would willingly learn anything about makeup? poo poo, most guys think natural look makeup is no makeup.
This is true. Also, learning about makeup is something that tends to happen naturally for men who are in long-term relationships with women, and, well ...

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Every time PUAs write about having sex, it always sounds like they're secretly asexual and find it disgusting, but don't want to let other people know

Oh yeah baby show me that... curvy... pussy? :ohdear:

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant


Owns, owns, owns. It's peak Rationality right out the gate.

"Surely some humility is appropriate when criticizing the elite decision-makers governing the Bank of Japan." (He does not actually come to this conclusion, ofc.)

drunkencarp
Feb 14, 2012
Speaking of Scotts, I miss Dilbertman telling us how Trump is Master Persuading the nation into a new golden age. I mean, not enough to seek out his actual blog myself, but...

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

drunkencarp posted:

Speaking of Scotts, I miss Dilbertman telling us how Trump is Master Persuading the nation into a new golden age. I mean, not enough to seek out his actual blog myself, but...

He's into bitcoin / ICO's now. Even his fans are telling him he's a loving moron lol

Syd Midnight
Sep 23, 2005

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Every time PUAs write about having sex, it always sounds like they're secretly asexual and find it disgusting, but don't want to let other people know
So like a bunch of prepubescent boys having a bragging contest, drawing upon everything they've learned about sex from rumor and pop culture to prove to one another how tough and worldly and definitely-not-gay they are? Yeah that checks out.

I wonder how many have never recovered psychologically from that middle-school period when the girls are suddenly bigger and taller than the boys? It would explain an awful lot.

Hate Fibration
Apr 8, 2013

FLÄSHYN!

Relevant Tangent posted:

Owns, owns, owns. It's peak Rationality right out the gate.

"Surely some humility is appropriate when criticizing the elite decision-makers governing the Bank of Japan." (He does not actually come to this conclusion, ofc.)

I love how the better his writing gets the less convincing he is because the arrogance and terrible ideas are even more obvious.

Syd Midnight
Sep 23, 2005

Relevant Tangent posted:

Owns, owns, owns. It's peak Rationality right out the gate.

Someone in this thread (I think, might have been the "Culture Warriors Who Self-Own" thread) recently said something like "The best of Yudkowsky refutes the rest of Yudkowsky". Because that rhymes my brain refuses to remember the original line, but it was a good observation.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
I’m prepared to bet that a significant amount of PUAs have, in fact, had sex. I’m less prepared to bet that it was consensual and they didn’t pay for it.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
Scott Adams' ICO is great. Fiverr, but with not even Bitcoin but single-company Internet pogs! And yes, you will enjoy reading his actual fans' comments on it. (I wrote up what he's actually doing here.)

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Darth Walrus posted:

I’m prepared to bet that a significant amount of PUAs have, in fact, had sex. I’m less prepared to bet that it was consensual and they didn’t pay for it.

Oh I can believe that easily. They just don't seem to actually like it at all.

The majority of misogynists and sexist worldwide have had sex or have had a wife or girlfriend, probably. PUAs in particular just hyperfocus on sex in this disgusting way that reminds me of TERFs freaking out about trans people or fundamentalists freaking out about gay people, except PUAs are ostensibly supposed to LIKE sex

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Oh I can believe that easily. They just don't seem to actually like it at all.
Sex is a lot more fun when your partner is enthusiastic. I would bet not many of them have experienced that feeling.

noether
May 1, 2017

some kinda cutesy shoggoth

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Oh I can believe that easily. They just don't seem to actually like it at all.

The majority of misogynists and sexist worldwide have had sex or have had a wife or girlfriend, probably. PUAs in particular just hyperfocus on sex in this disgusting way that reminds me of TERFs freaking out about trans people or fundamentalists freaking out about gay people, except PUAs are ostensibly supposed to LIKE sex

I seriously doubt sexual pleasure really has anything to do with being a PUA type. it seems like their main motivation is to be controlling and manipulative for its own sake, just like most sexual predators

Slime
Jan 3, 2007
I recall one of those PUA books described sex as driving your swollen meat rod into a moist canal

which is kind of an instant boner killer when you put it like that jesus

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Slime posted:

I recall one of those PUA books described sex as driving your swollen meat rod into a moist canal

which is kind of an instant boner killer when you put it like that jesus

Whenever the FPlus does a poetry episode / segment there's always someone who thinks they're being clever by writing a line like "tongue-box your winking starfish" or "rhythmically knock at your slimy door"

Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.



ate all the Oreos posted:

Whenever the FPlus does a poetry episode / segment there's always someone who thinks they're being clever by writing a line like "tongue-box your winking starfish" or "rhythmically knock at your slimy door"

...nws?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZpxaiNV_sM
Turns out you can use terrible things in an excellent manner. It just requires some art! (NB, this requirement may be disqualifying for the subjects of this thread / the FPlus.)

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

The Vosgian Beast posted:

Every time PUAs write about having sex, it always sounds like they're secretly asexual and find it disgusting, but don't want to let other people know

It's the fanfic/Penthouse letter desire to find some novel way to describe sex though words, combined with the need to show your utter contempt for what you're loving above all else.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost

Darth Walrus posted:

I’m prepared to bet that a significant amount of PUAs have, in fact, had sex. I’m less prepared to bet that it was consensual and they didn’t pay for it.

Well, their basic hope is "keep actively trying and failing until you succeed" which is commendable. I'm willing to put down money that a methodology that emphasises actually going out and trying to meet people will gradually wear these fuckers down and force them to grow into people that other people would want to do the sexing with. I'm fairly certain they don't qualify as PUAs by the time the actually start gettin' laid though.

Slime
Jan 3, 2007

Somfin posted:

Well, their basic hope is "keep actively trying and failing until you succeed" which is commendable. I'm willing to put down money that a methodology that emphasises actually going out and trying to meet people will gradually wear these fuckers down and force them to grow into people that other people would want to do the sexing with. I'm fairly certain they don't qualify as PUAs by the time the actually start gettin' laid though.

Nah, from what I've seen even after they've managed to stick their engorged meat rod in someone's moist canal they're still horrible people. Sticking your dick in someone doesn't magically make you a better and more emotionally healthy person.

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The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Slime posted:

Nah, from what I've seen even after they've managed to stick their engorged meat rod in someone's moist canal they're still horrible people. Sticking your dick in someone doesn't magically make you a better and more emotionally healthy person.

I saw someone talk about reading one of Roosh's books a while back, and it's this bizarre thing where he values sticking his dick in a vagina and ejaculating and nothing else about the experience, even enjoying it that much or his partner enjoying it at all, like he's trying to get the high score on a video game.

It reminds me of a joke in the last season of Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt about how David Cross's character's douchebag brother always "wins" at sex by coming first

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