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Schubalts posted:drat, dude. Pretty sure they use hashes of the cd images.
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Oct 31, 2017 19:03
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While season 8 of the Simpsons is certainly oddball it deserves to be called the end of the golden age. After that there are at least five points of no return: Homer getting raped by a panda, Maude getting killed by a T-shirt cannon, Skinner being an imposter, the jockeys are actually elves, and that alligator episode which had that one good gag with the whip guy.
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Oct 31, 2017 19:33
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Quick look at episode lists and I'd say 8 is the last one where every episode was good and 10 was the last one with more good than bad. And by 14 I stopped watching entirely.
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Oct 31, 2017 19:56
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:It's the season after they have the boy band episode, but yeah it's definitely where it devolved into "Oh wow *Insert celebrity here* is over there!". The one where Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger (and Ron Howard) guest star is one I see cited a lot because apparently it's the first one where the celebrity guests playing themselves are treated as the main focus of the episode and Homer is almost their supporting character.
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Oct 31, 2017 20:31
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We all have our lines, but I'd mark Lisa goes Vegetarian as a key point. The episode itself is fine but you start to see things creeping in that would become terrible down the road. Specifically the Paul McCartney cameo, it was the first episode I can remember where a celeb was on there for the sake of being a celeb. In earlier seasons, famous people would play characters, think Dustin Hoffman as the teacher or Michael Jackson as Michael Jackson, the giant obese white mental patient. In fact, MJ wasn't even credited in the episode and it was years before they finally confirmed it. (Though bizarrely, MJ only performed the spoken lines and not the singing materal)
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Oct 31, 2017 20:36
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zoux posted:We all have our lines, but I'd mark Lisa goes Vegetarian as a key point. The episode itself is fine but you start to see things creeping in that would become terrible down the road. Specifically the Paul McCartney cameo, it was the first episode I can remember where a celeb was on there for the sake of being a celeb. In earlier seasons, famous people would play characters, think Dustin Hoffman as the teacher or Michael Jackson as Michael Jackson, the giant obese white mental patient. In fact, MJ wasn't even credited in the episode and it was years before they finally confirmed it. (Though bizarrely, MJ only performed the spoken lines and not the singing materal) George Harrison appeared as himself in Homer's Barbershop Quartet, and there was an episode where an entire team's worth of baseball players appeared as themselves as well in Homer at the Bat. It wasn't anything new by the time Lisa the Vegetarian was around, but that's when the focus shifted for sure.
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Oct 31, 2017 20:41
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SpacePig posted:George Harrison appeared as himself in Homer's Barbershop Quartet, and there was an episode where an entire team's worth of baseball players appeared as themselves as well in Homer at the Bat. It wasn't anything new by the time Lisa the Vegetarian was around, but that's when the focus shifted for sure. But there's technically plausible reasons for those. George Harrison is at an after-party for the Grammy's*, and Mr.Burns specifically recruited pro ball players to win a softball game. Other seasons have similar reasons for guest stars playing themselves. Leonard Nimoy is a "celebrity" guest on the monorail's first voyage, Barry White is the celebrity Grand Marshal for Whacking Day, Sting takes part in a fund-rasing song for Timmy/Bart stuck in the well, etc... Lisa the Vegetarian is the first time it really stood out (to me, at least) that a celebrity is in Springfield for no legit "plot" reason, just so whatever member of the Simpsons family can go: Simpson: Wow, it's [Celebrity]! What are YOU doing in Springfield?" Celebrity: [Insert flimsy excuse here] *Yes, he then randomly shows up in a car outside Moe's when they're on the roof, but I think it's allowed after the plausible reason if it's a quick joke.
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Oct 31, 2017 20:50
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I think it was a thing where they couldn't legally get him to sing without paying him whatever his fee was at the time, so they were basically forced into getting the impersonator. That's what I remember them saying in the commentary, something to that effect. I think MJ was friends with the impersonator. It really wasn't a thing where he refused to sing.
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Oct 31, 2017 20:55
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It was definitely due to some weird legal mumbo-jumbo and it pissed off the staff that they weren't allowed to advertise "HOLY CRAP THE BIGGEST POP STAR ALIVE RIGHT NOW IS ON OUR SHOW!" Which of course led to that line in the Itchy & Scratchy Movie episode about "They didn't use their real names, but you could tell it was them!"
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Oct 31, 2017 21:48
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Dustin Hoffman also didn't use his real name when he was Mr. Bergstrom, he was credited as "Sam Etic."
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Oct 31, 2017 21:57
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Was Hoffman the biggest name they'd had on the show up to that point?
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Oct 31, 2017 22:02
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I think the only other big name they had at the time was Albert Brooks.
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Oct 31, 2017 22:13
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I'm not sure of the dates, but would Hoffman have been the incumbent Best Actor winner at the Oscars when he appeared? (Not sure which year Rain Man was in.) I think his big movie that year would've been Hook. I feel like the first celebrity guest who played themselves was Ringo Starr, but await correction.
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Oct 31, 2017 22:16
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DrBouvenstein posted:But there's technically plausible reasons for those. Yeah, this is the distinction I'm trying to get at. Wheat Loaf posted:
GEAR!
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Oct 31, 2017 22:19
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It seems a little odd to derail into a discussion that the longest running comedy show of all time "hasn't aged well".
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Oct 31, 2017 22:20
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BiggerBoat posted:It seems a little odd to derail into a discussion that the longest running comedy show of all time "hasn't aged well". Is it? You can point at Haley Joel Osment and be like “wow that hasn’t aged well” and he’s still alive
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Oct 31, 2017 23:25
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Aesop Poprock posted:Is it? I think so. In a way at least. Meaning it's lasted THIS long so I think that's worth consideration. I haven't aged well myself and I'm probably not wording this well so I dunno, but the show's sheer longevity seems to suggest it's aged OK for the most part. That's what I meant.
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Nov 1, 2017 01:57
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The individual Simpsons episodes have aged well, they just declined in quality over time. The episodes that were good are still good, the episodes that were never good still aren't good.
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Nov 1, 2017 02:43
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BiggerBoat posted:I think so. In a way at least. Meaning it's lasted THIS long so I think that's worth consideration. the first 8 seasons aged as well as any TV with a lot of topical references, and better than most but the show itself has been a parody of those original seasons for longer than those seasons aired. most modern simpsons episodes don't employ the original style of humor that people really liked, which was mostly understated and just on the edge of surreality; they imitate the superficial trappings but go for overstated humor.
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Nov 1, 2017 03:03
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Jazerus posted:the first 8 seasons aged as well as any TV with a lot of topical references, and better than most Parody probably isn’t the best term for what the Simpsons has been for the past 17 years or so. I think pale imitation riding on a nearly critically impeccable past is closer. Referencing and making fun of a past thing in your own history because your current product sucks isn’t really a parody so much as a desperate appeal for approval
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Nov 1, 2017 03:19
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e: doh I was beaten last pageDexie posted:Super Eyepatch Wolf did a pretty good video on what exactly happened to the Simpsons and why it started going downhill in the first place, and what made it so special to begin with. Was going to link this. It's good and everyone should watch it ReidRansom has a new favorite as of 03:23 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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Nov 1, 2017 03:21
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Aesop Poprock posted:Is it? You can point at Haley Joel Osment and be like “wow that hasn’t aged well” and he’s still alive Haley Joel has aged wonderfully. He's a very funny and talented comic actor. A crazy thing to me about the Simpsons to me is that they had a joke based on the 1966 university of Texas shooting only 28 years after it happened. What's next, Stephen Paddock jokes in 2045? Dr. Video Games 0081 has a new favorite as of 05:23 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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Nov 1, 2017 05:19
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I think there was an image of Haley Joel Osment in a movie role that went around where he looked really weird, so people just kind of assumed that's how he looked all the time now.
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Nov 1, 2017 05:56
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bobjr posted:I think there was an image of Haley Joel Osment in a movie role that went around where he looked really weird, so people just kind of assumed that's how he looked all the time now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYvMOf3hsGA this came out two years ago and he looks pretty fuckin weird to me for the few seconds he's in it
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Nov 1, 2017 06:28
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haley joel osment's face is too loving small
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Nov 1, 2017 08:52
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I don’t have anything against the guy but he’s a really unpleasant looking adult
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Nov 1, 2017 08:57
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I hear his voice and just think of Kingdom Hearts, which made the Sixth Sense really weird because I watched that after beating the first kingdom hearts because I'm kind of bad at this "pop culture" thing
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Nov 1, 2017 10:27
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Alaois posted:haley joel osment's face is too loving small He has an amazing beard, and I think this is why he grew it.
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Nov 1, 2017 12:07
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:Haley Joel has aged wonderfully. He's a very funny and talented comic actor. Kinky Friedman wrote a upbeat song about it less than a decade after it happened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlBuoBV-Sa0
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Nov 1, 2017 12:15
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open24hours posted:The individual Simpsons episodes have aged well, they just declined in quality over time. The episodes that were good are still good, the episodes that were never good still aren't good. This. Season 2, episode 1 - 'Bart gets an F' still ranks as the most emotional half hour of television I have ever experienced. But I was a lovely student who did terrible on tests so I could relate.
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Nov 1, 2017 14:39
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Dr. Video Games 0081 posted:Haley Joel has aged wonderfully. He's a very funny and talented comic actor. TBH I think most people only remember that because it was mentioned in the half of Full Metal Jacket that people actually watched, and in that movie the joke was that nobody knew who he was.
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Nov 1, 2017 20:20
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Instant Sunrise posted:TBH I think most people only remember that because it was mentioned in the half of Full Metal Jacket that people actually watched, and in that movie the joke was that nobody knew who he was. I and some one else have said this before in the unpopular opinions thread but second half of FMJ is so much better than the first
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Nov 1, 2017 20:22
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Aesop Poprock posted:I and some one else have said this before in the unpopular opinions thread but second half of FMJ is so much better than the first I agree with you, but only one half of that movie seems to get remembered or talked about.
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Nov 1, 2017 20:45
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The proper way to divide FMJ is into thirds, not halves. The moon landing footage has not aged well, the special effects are very unconvincing compared to what we can do now with computers.
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Nov 1, 2017 21:26
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Gonna throw my gauntlet in before I forget. It's interesting watching episodes where everything falls into place, like Duckman's "Gripes of Wrath," really good kinetic running gags and pacing. I wonder how they manage structuring the dialogue and stuff as tight as they do. Like if they intentionally put their best lines in these episodes or if they just happen to hit it out of the park by chance (like Meeseeks and Destroy). Too bad Duckman ended a season later than it did; it undermines the poo poo out of the more human parts of his character. An example of a show that didn't age poorly but was a victim of bad timing, prolly the strongest example I know, was Welcome to Eltingville. It's got a perfect grasp on "nerd" humor without pandering or cynicism towards that culture. Its bite comes from its portrayal of disgusting toxic fanboys and how much they suck as people, and that poo poo's still relevant. drat shame adult swim wasn't looking for half hour runners when it came out, but at least there's the comic.
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Nov 3, 2017 07:56
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I watched Duckman all the time and although it's a good show I'm not sure why I did, cause as a kid I hated Jason Alexander and his voice and the show was kind of unpleasant to me. Now I'm an adult and honestly I still kind of hate Jason Alexander and the show is still kind of unpleasant but I guess I'm more at ease with it
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Nov 3, 2017 08:03
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Aesop Poprock posted:I watched Duckman all the time and although it's a good show I'm not sure why I did, cause as a kid I hated Jason Alexander and his voice and the show was kind of unpleasant to me. Now I'm an adult and honestly I still kind of hate Jason Alexander and the show is still kind of unpleasant but I guess I'm more at ease with it It's the best use of Klasky-Csupo's grotesque style, which I forget if we already brought that up. It goes a little too gross sometimes but yeah. It's a prime example of a show you talked up to your friends and when you'd try to show it to them they'd air the worst episode. I won't miss that age of television.
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Was there a bad episode of the Oblongs? I've been streaming random ones I vaguely remember to my one friend who's never seem it and they're all really solid so far, like almost more so than I remembered. It's very tight pacing and perfect delivery
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