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wicka posted:The idea that F1 has ceded significant amounts of fans to other racing series is really, really funny to me. F1 is more popular now than it's ever been, that doesn't always translate to fans in seats at overpriced grands prix, or measurable viewers on overpriced TV packages. But everyone on Reddit watches Formula E!!!
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Feels Villeneuve posted:The late 90s is now seen as some kind of silver age for the sport and at the time every pundit was predicting the Death of Formula One because nobody was overtaking. I still remember everyone freaking out after the 1999 Spanish GP which I think featured one (1) on-track overtake. There are now people who look fondly upon 2004 season.
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Nov 1, 2017 16:47
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Human Grand Prix posted:Single Turbo on non Inline 4 engines has always struck me as odd...lag has almost always been an issue. CART ran Single Turbo 2.65L non-intercooled V8s for 30 years and had to resort to various types of fuckery and years of development to make them driveable. Renault's Initial V6 Turbo was single-Turbo only; I imagine that configuration was abandoned rapidly due to throttle response. Honda also ran single-turbo in Indy when the V6 era started, then moved to twins like Chevy.
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Norns posted:Please stop reminding me Reddit exists At least you can take joy that Crapwagon is dead.
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Nov 1, 2017 16:48
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The Ferrari dominance years generally had poo poo racing with some pretty ugly-rear end cars in the earlier years (2000-2002). I do like the 2000,2001, and 2003 seasons though.
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Nov 1, 2017 16:50
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Theophany posted:Do it you goddamn fuckmen! That's far too sexy to be a McLaren
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Nov 1, 2017 16:51
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I don’t get it either. You don’t only have to like one thing. But then again I live in the UK where what sport you watch live depends on if you went with BT sports or Sky sports. Sky has the F1 and does not have MotoGP, NASCAR, Indycar, or the rallying. It does have many other international sports though, just not those with wheels.
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Norns posted:Please stop reminding me Reddit exists Hello r/formula1, I don't post on any sub often, but I feel I need to share my opinion on this subject. I have been watching F1 since the beginning of the 1998 season, and have loved following this sub over the last couple years. I have been a Ferrari fan since I started watching as a kid, and have always wanted them to win. Every time. I loved every race of Schumacher's championships, even if they were boring. He was my idol. I wanted Seb to win this year. I desperately wanted Ferrari to have another world championship, and a German driver made it that much more proper in my mind. This fact has made Lewis Hamilton the enemy since Australia 2007. The same way that 1998-1999 made Mika the enemy almost a decade earlier. But Lewis won this year. Fair and square. Even though I hate to admit it, Lewis is one of the best of all time. He has talent seeping from his pores and I hate it, but I can't deny it. I despised Häkkinen in a similar way for being one of the most sensational drivers I've ever watched. They are only two of many drivers I have seen best Ferrari. But as a Ferrari fan I have to say that without these great rivals, thier success would mean nothing. Congrats HAM fans. I hope we beat you next year :P
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I don't think Lewis will beat Schumi's records but he might. The thing is that these years where you get the best car by far and win 10 GPs every year just don't last forever. Eventually someone will dethrone Mercedes, like what happened to Ferrari in 2005, Williams in 1998, and McLaren in 1991/1992.
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Brainwrong posted:Hello r/formula1, Delete this crap
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Brainwrong posted:That's far too sexy to be a McLaren I know it's for branding reasons, but that shade of orange with the red McLaren swooshes don't go well at all. They should definitely go with papaya and navy like they did for indy
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Nov 1, 2017 17:00
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I like people citing like Audi "entering" Formula E as some kind of sign that it's the sport of the future ignoring that FE is basically spec and the cost of entry is still incredibly low. Basically it's in the Supertouring 1992/late 90s World Rally Car stage of a formula, and neither of those lasted too long.
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Nov 1, 2017 17:01
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I can't be arsed to watch FE.
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Nov 1, 2017 17:03
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I've said over and over again: Formula E is a tech demo, not a real series. The second the idea of an all-electric series becomes genuinely feasible, they'll just fold their tech into F1 and die.
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Formula e is a bunch of F1 rejects having a laugh driving oversized karts. It's entertaining but it's never going to have the drama of a proper series because the stakes are so low.
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Nov 1, 2017 17:07
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I want the roborace more than I want formula e.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I like people citing like Audi "entering" Formula E as some kind of sign that it's the sport of the future ignoring that FE is basically spec and the cost of entry is still incredibly low. Basically it's in the Supertouring 1992/late 90s World Rally Car stage of a formula, and neither of those lasted too long. Class 1 Touring cars were interesting but also led to current DTM - world's worst racing series.
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CratSock posted:Congratulations... you're both right! Passing, proper battles to get to the pass, those are the most interesting parts of the race. Let's fix that. I don't care if they race with plutonium powered Mr. Fusion engines. Honestly V6/8/10/12 whatever. As long as it makes good power and the cars are reasonably fast, just go with it. Whatever formula they choose will still have a suffocating fuel flow attached to it, so it might not even matter, unless they bump up the impact of the electric motors. Lewis vs Fernando on Sunday was probably the best part of that race apart from the opening lap. I wholeheartedly agree that the best parts of the race are the parts where people are fighting for position. e: it's why Monaco is boring as poo poo. That track is too narrow for today's cars. iospace fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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Human Grand Prix posted:Class 1 Touring cars were interesting but also led to current DTM - world's worst racing series. Coupe DTM back when the series was relaunched and supposed to be cheap was actually really fun
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Nov 1, 2017 17:14
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http://winfieldracingschool.com/driving-experiences/ €9000 to drive a 2012 Lotus/Renault. I'd do that
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learnincurve posted:Sinclair C5 your time is now. I wanted one of those so bad as a kid
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1500quidporsche posted:I read it and it's tough to say how right he is without knowing more about the situation. If the regulations were presented on the grounds of "You'll be able to keep the same engine block you have now so don't worry about costs" he has a point. Enough fundamentally critical components are changing that we are going to see all new engines come out of these regs. An arms race to solve turbo lag would be cool as gently caress. I know the variable vane turbos exist currently in a super small handful of production cars, but seeing the crazy solutions F1 teams would pump out has me at full chub
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Formula E is for mid level tech and auto corporations to network at, because they can’t afford to do it at the formula 1. Loads of small race series all over the world exist for the exact same reason. Not that there is anything wrong with this, but don’t lose sight of the fact that the fans on the TV and the people hanging out in the paddock are there for very different reasons, and much as we don’t like it F1 exists because of the corporations not because of the fans. Bernie did this. F1 could have gone the same way as football where the money comes from companies wanting to sell things to the fans, Bernie wanted all the money to go to Bernie.
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Question, are they banning the split turbo for the new regs or will it still be allowed? Because a variable vane split turbo is entirely my poo poo.
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learnincurve posted:
the last few engine reg changes (under bernie) were specifically to get automobile companies involved in the sport
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Bernie always saw F1 as being a sort of exclusive members club, that was the point. He deliberately organised it in a fan-unfriendly fashion.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the last few engine reg changes (under bernie) were specifically to get automobile companies involved in the sport Only way new automobile companies were ever going to get involved in the sport when it was on Bernie’s watch was if he dropped dead.
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MZ posted:Bernie always saw F1 as being a sort of exclusive members club, that was the point. He deliberately organised it in a fan-unfriendly fashion. Which is probably why Liberty's changes are so well received, well, what they could do anyway.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:the last few engine reg changes (under bernie) were specifically to get automobile companies involved in the sport The recession had a big effect on participation in all motorsport.
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Can we say Peak Bernie F1 Elitism is scheduling Baku opposite Le Mans?
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iospace posted:Can we say Peak Bernie F1 Elitism is scheduling Baku opposite Le Mans? Peak Bernie F1 Elitism was taking money from Baku in the first place.
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Nov 1, 2017 17:57
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Remember when Bernie praised Hitler before the German GP haha
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Remember when Bernie praised Hitler before the German GP haha He did sort of have a point
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Tsaedje posted:Formula e is a bunch of F1 rejects having a laugh driving oversized karts. It's entertaining but it's never going to have the drama of a proper series because the stakes are so low. I would watch Formula E if it wasn't for the stupid, STUPID car change. Like holy poo poo is there anything less cool than watching a driver jump out of a car and waddle over to a new one in a "race". Develop battery packs that can be hotswapped in something resembling a proper pit stop and you immediately add another layer of legitimacy to what is essentially Formula Musical Chairs
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NtotheTC posted:I would watch Formula E if it wasn't for the stupid, STUPID car change. And the awful music
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At least FE are getting batteries that last a whole race next season. btw, attrition racing owns
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Brainwrong posted:And the awful music And the awful cars. They look like if the company behind Mega Bloks and Roseart made knock-off Hot Wheels cars. Toasty Circles.
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Nov 1, 2017 18:22
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Attrition racing? A whole field of Maldonados? 
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iospace posted:Question, are they banning the split turbo for the new regs or will it still be allowed? Because a variable vane split turbo is entirely my poo poo. Oh jeeesus  the auto tuning enthusiast in me is rock hard at that concept
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