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No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Level 5+ only are counted which is why they're different in non-HL modes for hotslogs... I assume hotdogs might do the same thing.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Nov 1, 2017

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MisterZimbu
Mar 13, 2006
0-5 as Morales so far lets keep it up

tcjimbo
May 15, 2008

This is Jimbo!
Hey-hey, man!
We got this!

You can't call it a real hotdog if it doesn't have ketchup.

Bogart
Apr 12, 2010

by VideoGames
That's too loving far Jimmy.

Seebach
Jul 14, 2012

tcjimbo posted:

You can't call it a real hotdog if it doesn't have catch up

Not an empty quote

Polio Vax Scene
Apr 5, 2009



OF course jambo would want ketchup on his hot dog, of course

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

NONONONONONONONONO
what kind of a loving philistine eats a hotdog without onions mustard and sauerkraut?

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Samara
Jan 6, 2011

quote:

Deposited $150 at Mt Gox to try this Bitcoin thing out.

Stolen 6 days later. Really enjoyed my time there.

Helpful? Please donate - being this retarded ain't cheap!

Samara Investments
Basement Suite #101
Mom's House, Hometown FL
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tcjimbo posted:

You can't call it a real hotdog if it doesn't have ketchup.

gently caress that. Come to Chicago with that weak rear end poo poo.

Ort
Jul 3, 2005

Proud graduate of the Andy Reid coaching clinic.
I eat hot dogs with ketchup in Chicago all the time, only the Internet cares.

Dietrich
Sep 11, 2001

Ketchup is for french fries. Mustard is for hotdogs.

Shapur
Apr 2, 2010

Ort posted:

I eat hot dogs with ketchup in Chicago all the time, only the Internet cares.

We care. We're just judging you quietly.

BrianBoitano
Nov 15, 2006

this is fine



Nobody gives a poo poo

Many people give a poo poo :negative:

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
Shits given vary by condiment.

Samara
Jan 6, 2011

quote:

Deposited $150 at Mt Gox to try this Bitcoin thing out.

Stolen 6 days later. Really enjoyed my time there.

Helpful? Please donate - being this retarded ain't cheap!

Samara Investments
Basement Suite #101
Mom's House, Hometown FL
USAAA+
HOTS chat late 2017: It’s all about the dogs.

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

i've eaten exactly 1 hot dog in the last 10 years and it only had ketchup on it and it was pretty drat good

Gustav
Jul 12, 2006

This is all very confusing. Do you mind if I call you Rodriguez?
Hot dogs are okay I guess. I don't have any strong feelings on the subject.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


BrianBoitano posted:

Nobody gives a poo poo

Many people give a poo poo :negative:

If only this could be the new thread title, spoiler and all.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Patch notes!

http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/21159501/heroes-of-the-storm-balance-patch-notes-november-1-2017-11-1-2017

Biggest things are a big nydus network nerf (CD from 60 to 100 seconds) and a HUGE
Kharazim Transcendence/Insight buff (all his L1 traits give +25% move speed on the third strike). Transcendence Khara will be insane now.

Other standouts are a Raynor buff and Muradin's heavy impact being a slow instead of a stun (enormous nerf to an op talent at high levels)

Entomb's cooldown also finally back to 50 seconds... lol.

And finally, a Q build Valla nerf.

No Wave fucked around with this message at 18:18 on Nov 1, 2017

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



Power Bottom posted:

If only this could be the new thread title, spoiler and all.

No this is the new thread title

Polio Vax Scene posted:

OF course jambo would want ketchup on his hot dog, of course

Midnightghoul
Oct 1, 2003

COME ON DON'T BE SCURRED
A lot of these balance changes are actually pretty logical. Azmo and Zagara nerfs are questionable but a lot of people find them very annoying to play against in hero league so I suppose that's why

Grain of salt but current leak for Blizzcon is that Alexstraza (multiclass Assassin/Support), Firebat (Warrior[Bruiser]) and Hanzo (Assassin) all announced, Raynor rework coming with next update

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
Kharazim is almost certainly overbuffed with this change. Get your fun in now.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Junkrat largely got buffs it looks like. More health, more baseline grenade damage offset by the extra nade damage talent getting tuned down, more duration on the trap slow, more damage on the concussion mine quest.

No Wave
Sep 18, 2005

HA! HA! NICE! WHAT A TOOL!
I still don't think you pick any of the talents they buffed

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib

No Wave posted:

I still don't think you pick any of the talents they buffed

I've had good success with Bonzer Hits, because it not only ups mine damage but increases the knockback they take as well which makes it an even better displacement tool when you use it for that purpose.

Midnightghoul
Oct 1, 2003

COME ON DON'T BE SCURRED

No Wave posted:

I still don't think you pick any of the talents they buffed

Yeah I think he still needs bigger buffs, he's pretty garbage right now.

Kharazhim I imagine they'll just revert the buffs they gave a few weeks ago to his heal and mana/CD traits if the addition of the movement speed makes them too good. But this has been a very vocal request from the community so it's nice that the implemented it

ToastyPotato
Jun 23, 2005

CONVICTED OF DISPLAYING HIS PEANUTS IN PUBLIC

Midnightghoul posted:

A lot of these balance changes are actually pretty logical. Azmo and Zagara nerfs are questionable but a lot of people find them very annoying to play against in hero league so I suppose that's why

Grain of salt but current leak for Blizzcon is that Alexstraza (multiclass Assassin/Support), Firebat (Warrior[Bruiser]) and Hanzo (Assassin) all announced, Raynor rework coming with next update

Is that leak from *the* source, or is this someone else? The big list places Alex and Firebat as next anyway so that seems likely, was Hanzo on that list?

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!
Azmo nerf is nonsensical.
Khara buff is :staredog:.
Raynor buff is a paper buff that doesn't mean gently caress-all.
Leoric buff is A BIG drat DEAL.
Muradin bugfixes are a bigger deal than the Muradin buffs.

Patch Status: C+

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Toshimo posted:

Azmo nerf is nonsensical.
Khara buff is :staredog:.
Raynor buff is a paper buff that doesn't mean gently caress-all.
Leoric buff is A BIG drat DEAL.
Muradin bugfixes are a bigger deal than the Muradin buffs.

Patch Status: C+
Azmo nerf is pretty mild. You can always take Taste For Blood if you want that damage back and more. I think general of hell is a change, not a nerf; better in some situations, worse in others.

Muradin's main build was nerfed. Heavy impact changing from a 0.5 second stun to a 0.75 second 80% slow is a nerf. Probably deserved.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


The nerf to Sieging Wrath is a big deal because it's the counter-splitpush talent for large maps. Having enough damage to pooldunk a wave out of existence is important, but what's arguably more important is having the range to hit them in the first place. It largely won't matter for smaller maps like Braxis or Tomb, but Azmodan just lost a chunk of viability on maps like Warhead and Hollow.

That Tychus buff is actually pretty substantial. He's still going to feel like complete poo poo to play because of the combination of low range and "no stutter stepping allowed", but he'll at least be able to hurt people more reliably now.

Ignite Memories
Feb 27, 2005

A multiclass assassin/support is gonna gently caress the poo poo out of QM

Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Power Bottom posted:

The nerf to Sieging Wrath is a big deal because it's the counter-splitpush talent for large maps. Having enough damage to pooldunk a wave out of existence is important, but what's arguably more important is having the range to hit them in the first place. It largely won't matter for smaller maps like Braxis or Tomb, but Azmodan just lost a chunk of viability on maps like Warhead and Hollow.

This right here. Losing 33% of your bonus damage and taking 20% longer to stack the quest is a BIG drat DEAL and, no, the Bad Talent is not a replacement.

Power Bottom posted:

That Tychus buff is actually pretty substantial. He's still going to feel like complete poo poo to play because of the combination of low range and "no stutter stepping allowed", but he'll at least be able to hurt people more reliably now.

Idk that 10% more auto and Q damage really is going to be a big deal since his BIG DICK DAMAGE is largely trait-based.

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Toshimo posted:

This right here. Losing 33% of your bonus damage and taking 20% longer to stack the quest is a BIG drat DEAL and, no, the Bad Talent is not a replacement.
Where are you getting losing 33% of his bonus damage? The talent was cut from a total of 200 bonus damage to 190 bonus damage. That's a 5% nerf.

Ignite Memories posted:

A multiclass assassin/support is gonna gently caress the poo poo out of QM
Yeah. If the leak is legit - it's from 4chan - she'll be treated like Varian (matched assuming she's a support) and a whole lot of support vs non-support matches will happen.

Nybble
Jun 28, 2008

praise chuck, raise heck
Curious that the spreading abilities didn't go past fog of war before. I had assumed they had. Slight buff for Sylvanas pushing forts, eh?

thechalkoutline
Jul 8, 2006



Raynor getting a rework would be insane, that guy has had the same build for like years

Is a viable Raynor possible without adding a 3rd button? I guess we'll see

Gobbeldygook
May 13, 2009
Hates Native American people and tries to justify their genocides.

Put this racist on ignore immediately!

Nybble posted:

Curious that the spreading abilities didn't go past fog of war before. I had assumed they had. Slight buff for Sylvanas pushing forts, eh?
They used to but they changed it a patch or two ago and have now restored the old functionality.

Sourdough Sam
May 2, 2010

:dukedog:
There will be hotdog stands on the main floor of Blizzcon and if you ask for ketchup you'll be escorted out.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Toshimo posted:

Idk that 10% more auto and Q damage really is going to be a big deal since his BIG DICK DAMAGE is largely trait-based.

Still, he's now rolling 200 DPS on his autos at Level 1, which means he's useful for more than just hitting heroes. The only other characters that have natural DPS like that are Greymane in Worgen form and Pilot D.va. Tychus might be a reasonable pick on BoE if Valla/GM are unavailable.

Kith
Sep 17, 2009

You never learn anything
by doing it right.


Nybble posted:

Curious that the spreading abilities didn't go past fog of war before. I had assumed they had. Slight buff for Sylvanas pushing forts, eh?

It was mostly Thrall players complaining about not being able to pick fleeing targets off by throwing Chain Lightning at buildings anymore.

edit: how the gently caress did i manage to double post, toshimo's poo poo was right there

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Toshimo
Aug 23, 2012

He's outta line...

But he's right!

Gobbeldygook posted:

Where are you getting losing 33% of his bonus damage? The talent was cut from a total of 200 bonus damage to 190 bonus damage. That's a 5% nerf.

You are losing 33% of the bonus damage while stacking it, which is going to take longer and be a bigger percentage of the game, because of the other half of the nerf.

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