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I'm late by two pages but here's a pretty in-depth petition in favor of the solar panel thing by a guy I know, it's a really complex trade issue (obviously) http://www.stewartlaw.com/Article/ViewArticle/1114 if you actually click on that and read it i salute you
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:pop the tax bubble timb can't wait for trump to sign the cut cut cut act
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its actually pretty simple: Chinese subsidies made solar panels cheap enough to be a viable competitor for power generation. If we raise the costs of panels too high then installation will cease and the industry will devolve to pre-Chinese subsidy irrelevance.
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qirex posted:maintaining crappy lob applications built on obsolete technology is like 40% of every large company's budget at this point ask me about evaluating emr options for a client ..wait, on second thought don't
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Shaggar posted:its actually pretty simple: Chinese subsidies made solar panels cheap enough to be a viable competitor for power generation. If we raise the costs of panels too high then installation will cease and the industry will devolve to pre-Chinese subsidy irrelevance. just saying it's not blatant protectionism or attempts to defund green energy to build more coal plants
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we aren't increasingly reliant and solar power and even if we were its not about technology, its about cost. China is giving it to us for cheap, but if the incredibly unlikely happened and china decided to stop selling them, we'd start making them ourselves if they were worthwhile (they aren't). we have so many other, better energy options (esp nat gas) and if you were actually concerned about the national security implications you'd be promoting funding for modernization of the nuclear power industry. its absolutely 100% blatant protectionism but I agree it has nothing to do w/ coal.
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solar generation has doubled and doubled again and doubled again in the past 5ish years and nuclear's got more baggage than clinton attached to it so it doesn't matter how good it is, it's not happening
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in ontario we've massively subsidized solar and wind, both with rebates/tax incentives for capital costs and per-watt subsidies on generated power sold back to the grid. the result has been both an increase in renewable generation and a massive increase in hydro prices. we're buying the power for 3x what we can sell it for outside ontario, whether we need it or not infernal machines fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Nov 1, 2017 |
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we're also still going ahead with decommissioning two of our nuclear plants in the coming decade with no planned replacements
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Bhodi posted:solar generation has doubled and doubled again and doubled again in the past 5ish years and nuclear's got more baggage than clinton attached to it so it doesn't matter how good it is, it's not happening solar has double and doubled again from nothing to nothing and a half. and its only done so because of Chinese subsidies. nuclear is always an option if we ever end up caring about safe and clean power generation but that's not what any of this is about.
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who’s got that chart showing the actual spiking solar growth w/ the little conservative predictions running flatly off each year that thing was hilarious
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found it https://twitter.com/AukeHoekstra/status/866313289306963969
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:more wise words from timb You Shouldn't Spend Your Life Seeking Money, Says Multi-Billionaire qirex posted:e: beaten i don't even know what an itanium is
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Remind us what the IEA is?
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Schadenboner posted:Remind us what the IEA is? International Energy Assholes
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Improbable Lobster posted:International Energy Assholes https://twitter.com/motherboard/status/925806849928126466
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infernal machines posted:we're also still going ahead with decommissioning two of our nuclear plants in the coming decade with no planned replacements lol. did they ever close the coal plant out by simcoe? you could see the container ships unloading on the lake every day. my parents had a boat and you'd have to wash it weekly from all the soot that would come down. they blamed the history of tobacco farming for people's lung problems around there but i have my doubts.
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i'm glad the currency of the future is so efficient!
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:lol. did they ever close the coal plant out by simcoe? you could see the container ships unloading on the lake every day. my parents had a boat and you'd have to wash it weekly from all the soot that would come down. they blamed the history of tobacco farming for people's lung problems around there but i have my doubts. lomarf @ blaming tobacco farming for lung disease. nothing about burning and inhaling it, no, that plant's just bad for your lungs tobacco is botanically related to potatoes and eggplants. where are all the eggplant farmers dying of emphysema
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I mean workers on tobacco plantations famously had a whole bunch of lovely health issues, which is kind of why slavery was such an important part of the process in Virginia etc Tobacco isn't a nice plant
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well yeah. nicotine is acutely toxic -- the plant makes it as an insecticide. it causes all kinds of health issues in tobacco workers. lung problems, though, are not inherent to Nicotina tabacum. you get lung disease from inhaling smoke, regardless of its source.
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infernal machines posted:they're going to develop modular housing for responsive building layouts, but instead of real world modular housing (aka shipping containers) it'll be all airy glass shipping containers are loving garbage for housing
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naw i mean like, culturally. everyone grew tobacco, thus everyone smoked, thus people nowadays are more likely to be smokers. they didn't directly blame nicotine absorption through skin contact to the leaves, though i've heard that's a risk for fieldworkers.
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Chris Knight posted:shipping containers are loving garbage for housing no poo poo. but that's still the state of the art for cheap modular low-rise housing, like the stuff in the sidewalk rfp Fuzzy Mammal posted:lol. did they ever close the coal plant out by simcoe? you could see the container ships unloading on the lake every day. my parents had a boat and you'd have to wash it weekly from all the soot that would come down. they blamed the history of tobacco farming for people's lung problems around there but i have my doubts. afaik yeah, i don't think we have any active coal plants left hilariously, those tobacco farms in simcoe went all in on the solar bandwagon when the subsidies were goodd
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Sagebrush posted:You Shouldn't Spend Your Life Seeking Money, Says Multi-Billionaire Itanium (IA64) was HP/Intel’s answer to AMDs x86-64, unfortunately it suffered all kinds of problems and was massively more expensive. It lumbered on until this year when they finally killed it for good.
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Glazier posted:Itanium (IA64) was HP/Intel’s answer to AMDs x86-64, unfortunately it suffered all kinds of problems and was massively more expensive. It lumbered on until this year when they finally killed it for good. Itanium predated x86-64 by like eight years
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qirex posted:apparently manufacturing mass market goods is more challenging than hand-building luxury items if only we'd known this at some point since the birth of assembly line manufacturing in the 18th century and now so will it be ford or gm that buys up tesla? oooh or maybe it'll be someone crazy like kia
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exploded mummy posted:can't wait for trump to sign the cut cut cut act lol nah republicans can't even figure that one out. they're entirely bankrupt intellectually and are only capable of existing as a minority opposition party. watch as they sit and do nothing but wail about hillary until they finally get voted back out
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Itanium predated x86-64 by like eight years It'd be more accurate to say that x86-64 is the result of amd looking at itanium and saying "hmm, I think we can come up with something that's less of a garbage fire"
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Itanium predated x86-64 by like eight years it was more a response to the death of alpha iirc
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Bhodi posted:I'm late by two pages but here's a pretty in-depth petition in favor of the solar panel thing by a guy I know, it's a really complex trade issue (obviously) http://www.stewartlaw.com/Article/ViewArticle/1114 yeah it is pretty hard to not come to the conclusion that Chinese panel and PV imports destroyed the producers in the US and as that article points out the provisions being argued over don't actually require any proof that the Chinese are unfairly subsidizing or dumping panels. I mean they are but proving it is a real pain in the rear end. US producers would be hard up to stay price competitive due to the much lower environmental and safety standards that a Chinese plant has to adhere to, to say nothing of mysterious blindness that low level regulatory inspectors there tend to acquire in the presence of cash.
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Itanium predated x86-64 by like eight years I stand corrected, always happy to learn 🙂
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Since this I'd also the sf thread. Stay classy noise bridge https://twitter.com/Tatzelbrumm/status/925744991263215616
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