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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:They're supposed to hunt subs, you don't need much other than depth charges. Something bigger than a 4.1" deck gun would be nice for dealing with surfaced subs. It turns out a rounded pressure hull requires a fairly substantial gun to reliably penetrate. The Lewis guns would be for dealing with gun crews on a surfaced sub, and as a cheap nod towards AA firepower.
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StashAugustine posted:nat turner statue when 2019
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mllaneza posted:Something bigger than a 4.1" deck gun would be nice for dealing with surfaced subs. It turns out a rounded pressure hull requires a fairly substantial gun to reliably penetrate. The Lewis guns would be for dealing with gun crews on a surfaced sub, and as a cheap nod towards AA firepower. Early on the program was sending ships with dummy weapons to sea in Canada because of lack of munitions
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mllaneza posted:Something bigger than a 4.1" deck gun would be nice for dealing with surfaced subs. It turns out a rounded pressure hull requires a fairly substantial gun to reliably penetrate. The Lewis guns would be for dealing with gun crews on a surfaced sub, and as a cheap nod towards AA firepower.
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Nov 1, 2017 19:55
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Nebakenezzer posted:I'm amazed the Flower Class started in 1939 - somebody had some foresight. Or, y'know, remembered WW1...
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mllaneza posted:Something bigger than a 4.1" deck gun would be nice for dealing with surfaced subs. It turns out a rounded pressure hull requires a fairly substantial gun to reliably penetrate. The Lewis guns would be for dealing with gun crews on a surfaced sub, and as a cheap nod towards AA firepower. Ram the sucker if you can. But you don't need to sink the sub to render it ineffective, given how slow underwater speeds were.
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feedmegin posted:Or, y'know, remembered WW1... Remembering and learning are two separate things.
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e: ^^ what he saidfeedmegin posted:Or, y'know, remembered WW1... Given how so much of the RN's prep for World War 2 went, it's the exception rather than the rule
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Related to Qingchat: Given the "we have no military rivals so why maintain a military?" thing, are there people in history who justify a massive military despite hegemony and use it for beating up nobodies, and if so, is that effective if peers re-emerge? (Not an attempt at politics promise)
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spectralent posted:Related to Qingchat: Given the "we have no military rivals so why maintain a military?" thing, are there people in history who justify a massive military despite hegemony and use it for beating up nobodies, and if so, is that effective if peers re-emerge? (Not an attempt at politics promise) I *feel* on a gut level Rome felt they were this at varying times. There are precious few Hegemons for referencing.
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Arguably the 19th century British Empire. They got to the point where they were loving up China to guarantee their ability to peddle drugs there.
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What was it about the Qing Bannermen that made them useless by the time of the Taiping rebellion?
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The Aztecs were pretty dominant politically but they had to keep fighting wars to make sure the sun wouldn't disappear.
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P-Mack posted:The Aztecs were pretty dominant politically but they had to keep fighting wars to make sure the sun wouldn't disappear. a better justification then iraq, imo
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The Triple Alliance did have a couple of big potential enemies too, particularly the Tarascans and the Zapotecs. The Tarascans especially were a clear rival to the Mexica, if also probably a rung below the Mexica in terms of real military power. The Tlaxcala meanwhile are a difficult case to judge. The Mexica claimed they didn't conquer them in order to conduct ritualistic warfare. However the Spanish made special note of the Tlaxacalans as formidable foes, having tangled with them before allying against the Mexica. The official Mexica line might have been face saving propaganda - they had a pretty sophisticated understanding of that sort of thing and engaged in it regularly. Or that might have been true initially, and by the time the Spanish arrived on the scene the Tlaxcalan's had built up their military in order to get revenge on the Mexica. Either way, the Tlaxcalans contributed a lot of manpower to the Spanish led forces that eventually brought the Mexica down.
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Ataxerxes posted:What was it about the Qing Bannermen that made them useless by the time of the Taiping rebellion? Their training was out of date and focused more on archery than gunpowder (this was part of a thing to preserve their distinct culture more so than a military decision). They were forbidden from having civilian jobs but inflation and whatnot meant their state pension eventually got to the point where it was barely sufficient. And most don't even actually serve in the military because there aren't enough billets so you've basically got generations of sitting around on the dole, sedentary in walled cities, about as far from nomadic steppe warriors as you can get. Which isn't to say they were uniformly ineffective, the Mongol Banner cavalry under Senggerinchen were key to stopping the Taiping northern expedition. This is off the top of my head, when not phone posting I can try to dig up some sources and get into more detail. e: re: Mexica and Tlaxcala yeah I was mostly just shitposting P-Mack fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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Fun fact that I have found out and will be looking into - looks like my house may have been originally built by the dad of British WWI ace Albert Ball. We have the deeds for the house framed (because they look neat) and there is a signature for "Albert Ball" - father and son shared the same name and Albert the elder had a property business in Nottingham, so it seems likely. Will need to look into confirming.
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P-Mack posted:e: re: Mexica and Tlaxcala yeah I was mostly just shitposting
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I'm not sure if this is history yet but it is amazing. http://www.pcgamer.com/cia-archive-reveals-that-osama-bin-laden-liked-retro-games-and-anime/ https://twitter.com/Arr/status/9258...es-and-anime%2F
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Fangz posted:I'm not sure if this is history yet but it is amazing. I'm disappointed that the CIA cleared out his porn stash. That would have been an interesting look at him.
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There's still hentai. https://twitter.com/Arr/status/925818243834511361
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what was his forums name edit: Nobody Is A Hero To His Porn Stash --a woman named bigot, probably
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Bin Laden had like 10 sons in his compound
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hey does anyone have good resources to read about anarchists in the russian civil war? ive done a fair amount of reading on makhno and the Revolutionary Insurrectionary Army of Ukraine but I was curious about more reading on other factions in the greater conflict. Also is there any good print stuff so far on rojava and kurdish stuff during the syrian civil war so far?
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What do you want to know, in particular? If Makhno's your thing( and why wouldn't he? Horse-drawn machine gun squadrons, baby!), look up Buenaventura Durruti and his 'Columna de Hierra', which was sort of the same guy but in Spain. One piece of advice: Stay away from anything written by communist historians, they got a really dumb crusade to blame left socialists for the outcome of the war at any cost going on.
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zoux posted:https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII/status/925683022472589313 although skilled with their pillow arsenal, the Wimpodites were favorite targets of Viking attacks
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Cyrano4747 posted:I'm disappointed that the CIA cleared out his porn stash. That would have been an interesting look at him.  cleared out There was probably a secret war between low level analysts at the CIA and NSA for who got final choice of his porn stash, and it is probably passed around like some kind of legend by now. "WE NEED IT FOR SIGDEV PURPOSES! IT IS ABSOLUTELY VITAL FOR UNDERSTANDING AL QAEDA'S COMMS NETWORKS!" "gently caress OFF, THIS GIVES US THE BEST LOOK WE HAVE EVER HAD INTO HOW AL QAEDA IS STRUCTURED! THESE BOOBS ARE A NATIONAL SECURITY PRIORITY"
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Heyyy guysss it's the t h r e a d f a v o u r i t e youtuber! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DaMACz1FrM Hell no I didn't watch it.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Given how so much of the RN's prep for World War 2 went, it's the exception rather than the rule Oh I agree in general, look how long it took to remember 'hey maybe convoys are a good idea', but I suspect the specific dude who decided to pull the trigger on the Flower class was on the ball.
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Fangz posted:There's still hentai. I can't wait for some idiot journalist to get caught browsing hentai and using the excuse that "they were trying to understand Bin Laden's mindset"
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I was watching that Thai ladyboy wrestling stuff for... reasearch... into ISIS! Yeah!
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13th KRRC War Diary, 2nd Nov 1917 posted:Training. A tactical exercise for Officers was carried out. Copy of the scheme is appended. Norris de Gruchy Butcher, bank clerk, of Highgate, London. Enlisted in the Army Pay Corps Dec. 1914, transf. to the 26th Bn. Royal Fusiliers Oct. 1915, was R.Q.M.S. when he left to take a commission in the K.R.R.C. in Aug. 1917. Date of death 23/05/1918  Cpl A H Oakley is a bit trickier, but there is a 2nd Lieutenant A H Oakley of KRRC suffering from Synovitis, knee (right) in December 1918. Scan of the tactical exercise information - 
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At least tea will be provided.
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 Also he had Loose Change on his HD, lol.
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zoux posted:Also he had Loose Change on his HD, lol.
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zoux posted:Also he had Loose Change on his HD, lol.
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Siivola posted:Heyyy guysss it's the t h r e a d f a v o u r i t e youtuber! Matt Easton owns though
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I haven't seen the channel before; what's the issue with him?
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Extreme inaccuracy and bad methodology I believe. OR all the nerds in here are JEALOUS they couldn't monetize their extremely specific historical fascinations 
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