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gret posted:NEVAR FORGET https://streamable.com/xf6f3 good lord i still get goosebumps
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Feels Villeneuve posted:IDK if his attitude changed over time but Enzo initially considered the road car sales to be a necessary distraction to fund his sportscar and F1 teams. IIRC someone said he hated all Ferrari customers. He apparently was really opposed to the idea of building a mid engined street car as he thought it would be too dangerous. Pretty sure the Dino was the first one offered so that undoubtly would've been either Fiat's own idea or due to their pressure.
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Nov 3, 2017 00:59
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Feels Villeneuve posted:IDK if his attitude changed over time but Enzo initially considered the road car sales to be a necessary distraction to fund his sportscar and F1 teams. IIRC someone said he hated all Ferrari customers. Was Lamborghini (the man) still alive during the F1 venture? Because if so lol.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:00
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Human Grand Prix posted:Was Lamborghini (the man) still alive during the F1 venture? Because if so lol. Yes but he had sold the company and was retired by then.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:01
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Right right that seemed like a push by Chrysler.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:02
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One of many hilarious attempts by Chrysler to get an image as a world-class luxury car maker, but nothing is as hilarious as the Chryslerati TC.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:03
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Chrysler's whole history of dabbling with italian carmakers is really loving bizarre.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:05
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"I think the Chrysler LeBaron is good enough that we can slap a Maserati badge on it and compete with high-end Mercedes cars" - Some Dipshit At Chrysler, Probably
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Nov 3, 2017 01:06
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That dipshit was Lee Iacocca.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:12
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Human Grand Prix posted:That dipshit was Lee Iacocca. quote:In 1985, Lee Iacocca stated that the planned "Q-coupe" would be the prettiest Italian to arrive stateside since his mother immigrated.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:13
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Feels Villeneuve posted:Nobody is seriously considering a split it's all theater for the initial bargaining for the new engine regs. Remember this starting in 2001
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Nov 3, 2017 01:15
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"I want to gently caress my mother" - Lee Iacocca
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Nov 3, 2017 01:15
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It's kind of sad because way back in the day the Chrysler Imperial was legitimately a contender with the Lincoln Continental and the Cadillac Eldorado.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:15
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Nothing says “Italian luxury-performance” like a worked over K-Car powered by an engine from a Mitsubishi Pajero.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:16
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Human Grand Prix posted:Nothing says “Italian luxury-performance” like a worked over K-Car powered by and engine from a Mitsubishi Pajero. the wheels were from noted F1 wheel supplier and inexplicable racing team Fondmetal to be fair
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Nov 3, 2017 01:17
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Feels Villeneuve posted:IDK if his attitude changed over time but Enzo initially considered the road car sales to be a necessary distraction to fund his sportscar and F1 teams. IIRC someone said he hated all Ferrari customers. If I recall right (read: I'm probably wrong here), it was because Ferraris had become a status symbol that no one really used the way they should have been in that people would push once just to say they pushed it instead of a sports car.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:18
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Fondmetal (the wheels and team) kicked rear end.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:18
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it actually wasn't a terrible car but does anyone remember the Cadillac Allante, which was built in Italy by Pininfarina and cost $55K in loving 1989 dollars (it was meant to compete with the S-class Mercs and Jag XJS)
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Nov 3, 2017 01:19
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The more shocking thing is the original Mustang was Lee's idea and he got fired at Ford then immediately started slinging K cars.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:20
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It was so expensive because of its stupid production line.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:20
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My first car was a K car. I sort of miss bench seats to this day.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:21
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Feels Villeneuve posted:it actually wasn't a terrible car but does anyone remember the Cadillac Allante, which was built in Italy by Pininfarina and cost $55K in loving 1989 dollars (it was meant to compete with the S-class Mercs and Jag XJS) Was that the one built on a sedan platform so it had a giant loving back end that went on forever?
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Nov 3, 2017 01:21
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Lee unleashed the mini van on the world 
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Nov 3, 2017 01:22
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the best bad GM car is the Caddy Cimarron PHWOAR this definitely isn't a lovely attempt to turn a Chevy Cavalier into a luxury car somehow
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Nov 3, 2017 01:22
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Cadillac made some really loving stupid decisions in the late 70s/80s because of the rising popularity of BMW and Mercedes
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Nov 3, 2017 01:22
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I think if you show up to a Caddy owner's club meeting with a Cimarron you are shot dead by rule.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:23
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1500quidporsche posted:Was that the one built on a sedan platform so it had a giant loving back end that went on forever? I think it was bespoke. But still FWD.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:23
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Nov 3, 2017 01:24
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My favorite one was when they were building the Seville to compete with the S class Opel actually went to them and said "We built this S class competitor, you just have to retrim it for American markets" and the Americans just said "Nah gently caress it" built their own design and it sold like poo poo.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:25
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When Honda(Good Honda, not current Honda) needed a compact luxury car they at least made it look way different from the Civic it was based on.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:26
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I think if you show up to a Caddy owner's club meeting with a Cimarron you are shot dead by rule. If you are a member of a Caddy club you are probably old enough for death to be a blessing
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Nov 3, 2017 01:26
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iospace posted:Lee unleashed the mini van on the world I like minivans because they always have inexplicably big engines which make freeway driving surprisingly a breeze.
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Nov 3, 2017 01:26
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Caddy Cimarron vs Caddy Catera. Go
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I like minivans because they always have inexplicably big engines which make freeway driving surprisingly a breeze. I don't because they ended up killing off station wagons and fostered the seed that would become CUVs  seeing that I technically drive a CUV
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Human Grand Prix posted:When Honda(Good Honda, not current Honda) needed a compact luxury car they at least made it look way different from the Civic it was based on. They actually teamed up with Rover which in retrospect is really loving funny.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I like minivans because they always have inexplicably big engines which make freeway driving surprisingly a breeze. Same here. Although it’s actually debatable whether Chrysler was the first to build a minivan. I’d probably say it was VW or Chevrolet (Corvair Greenbrier)
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Nov 3, 2017 01:28
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iospace posted:Caddy Cimarron vs Caddy Catera. The '97 Holden Commodore wasn't a terrible car but they should have sold it as a Pontiac instead.
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1500quidporsche posted:They actually teamed up with Rover which in retrospect is really loving funny. oh man, Sterling. Nobody in the US had any loving clue how those things were supposed to be sold. I actually saw a Sterling for sale and they're actually pretty reliable and easy to keep in service since there are a shitload of old Acura Legend parts on the market
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Feels Villeneuve posted:I like minivans because they always have inexplicably big engines which make freeway driving surprisingly a breeze. I'm pretty sure the 1st Gen K car ones were absolute poo poo cause it was a dinky little unibody design that they had to stretch out to the size of a van because they had no cash at the time. They got way better as time went on. That said I'm not a fan of the minivan and wish they still made poo poo like the Astro or Aerostar, although most SUVs look like that anyways these days.
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Iacocca also was responsible for killing Imperial. The final coupe from 81-83 also has the distinction of being one of the worst NASCAR cars ever.
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