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Ehh, prog in general has lovely lyrics and meticulous music. I'm not too worried about Steven Wilson's inconsistency there. Honestly, if I listened to music for the lyrics, I certainly wouldn't be listening to prog.
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I’ve always thought that Jethro Tull had the best lyrics of the classic prog bands. Ian Anderson is a great songwriter. But yeah lyrics aren’t that important to the genre.
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I think it bothers me more with SW because he can write some pretty good lyrics when he tries, and his bad lyrics tend to sound like an old hippy ranting about modern life. King Crimson, Haken and Riverside have generally good lyrics IMO.
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Nov 1, 2017 10:41
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Don't forget VdGG! I always felt the lyrics were important and give many of their songs an emotional weight not often achieved in prog. Half of that might be Peter Hammil's expressive voice though... (and there are still some goofy songs like Necromancer).
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Nov 1, 2017 10:43
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Peter Gabriel posted:They called me the Reverend when I entered the Church unstained; I have no idea what you guys are talking about, prog lyricism is perfect. (in all honesty the silliness of Gabriel's lyrics are half the appeal of Genesis for me, I wish there were more bands as aggressively whimsical)
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loose-fish posted:Don't forget VdGG! I always felt the lyrics were important and give many of their songs an emotional weight not often achieved in prog. Half of that might be Peter Hammil's expressive voice though... (and there are still some goofy songs like Necromancer). Peter Hammil emoting all over the place is cool.
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Nov 1, 2017 12:24
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All those Henry Cow and Art Bears songs that are about the class struggle or whatever are badass
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il_cornuto posted:I think it bothers me more with SW because he can write some pretty good lyrics when he tries, and his bad lyrics tend to sound like an old hippy ranting about modern life. Yeah lyrics really only matter to me at all if they’re extremely good or extremely bad, and Wilson’s bad ones are very much the latter. He’s a huge dork and it really shines through when he makes societal observations.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:Ehh, prog in general has lovely lyrics and meticulous music. I'm not too worried about Steven Wilson's inconsistency there. Honestly, if I listened to music for the lyrics, I certainly wouldn't be listening to prog. Fair enough, but a whole bunch of SW songs aren’t really prog. Also old Genesis lyrics are whimsical, weird and about a lot of fun stuff and that makes them very enjoyable.
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Attitude Indicator posted:Also old Genesis lyrics are whimsical, weird and about a lot of fun stuff and that makes them very enjoyable. HERACLEUM MANTEGAZZIANI
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I like 'Get 'em Out by Friday' with its pretty standard look at predatory landlords suddenly turning into a sci-fi dystopia where the poor are genetically shortened to cram more in right at the end of the song.
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VdGG lyrics are good, but Peter Hammill's solo lyrics are amazing. He may be my favourite rock lyricist of all time. The extremely expressive delivery probably has a lot to do with that though, I love that kind of poo poo.
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Been on a big prog kick after dipping into and reading this thread. One question though: where are the songs with the lightsabers?
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il_cornuto posted:I think it bothers me more with SW because he can write some pretty good lyrics when he tries, and his bad lyrics tend to sound like an old hippy ranting about modern life. i'll add nevermore. still hoping for a reunion one day. maybe i'll finally get to see them then - the first show they were meant to do here was cancelled for no apparent reason, and the second a couple of years was cancelled when the band split up.
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Neurosis posted:i'll add nevermore.
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I remember I tried to get my high school English teacher to interpret Yes lyrics for me and she basically said "look, they were really on drugs and none of this makes sense".
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Ingmar terdman posted:Been on a big prog kick after dipping into and reading this thread. One question though: where are the songs with the lightsabers? You could check out Arjen Lucassen's 'Star One' project he did which is all songs based on various sci-fi shows and films.
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Cymbal Monkey posted:Has there ever been a consistent prog bad, except those one off bands from the 70s that made one album like Island? I feel like a lot of modern proggers are. Every Echolyn album is great. Glass Hammer have dropped an excellent album nearly every year from 2000 on. Every single album I hear by The Tangent is about as good as every other one. Porcupine Tree/Steven Wilson are always in a pretty narrow band of quality.
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Vargatron posted:I remember I tried to get my high school English teacher to interpret Yes lyrics for me and she basically said "look, they were really on drugs and none of this makes sense".
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X_Toad posted:Isn't the problem with Yes that Jon Anderson basically saw his singing as another track to complement the instrumentals and just used whatever lyrics could fit? I know that's the case for Siberian Kathru, but i don't think it applies to all their songs. Also i don't know if problem is the right word for it. It can work if done well. The whole Loveless album is like that, if I'm not mistaken.
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In a way I'd argue that truly great lyrics would be wasted in a style of music that's so focused on complex composition and performance. You wouldn't notice them. Whereas in quiet folksy music the lyrics are half the point; it's more like a form of poetry.
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huh? lyrics can be part of a composition and are only wasted if they're not incorperated well into the composition. Same as with any instrument, really. That's often not the focus in prog rock, true, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. Thick as a Brick, for example, does a good job of including lyrics in a complex song.
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Attitude Indicator posted:huh? lyrics can be part of a composition and are only wasted if they're not incorperated well into the composition. Same as with any instrument, really. That's often not the focus in prog rock, true, but that doesn't mean it can't be done. Thick as a Brick, for example, does a good job of including lyrics in a complex song. Yeah but those lyrics are deliberately pompous and poking fun at the awkward lyrics of other prog bands
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Part of the reason yes is good is because Jon Anderson has a funny voice and sings nonsense words. Don't overthink this guys.
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It doesn't even matter whose lyrics they are, such as in the case of Prince Rupert Awakes. Jon Anderson was just born to sing nonsense.
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The Mars Volta are the kings of "the vocal lines and cadence SOUND amazing but gently caress if any of it makes sense. " Also, The Dixie Dregs are touring with their original lineup. Having said that, I don't know any Dixie Dregs songs. Any good recommendations to start (or should skipping them all be my best move?)
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SgtScruffy posted:The Mars Volta are the kings of "the vocal lines and cadence SOUND amazing but gently caress if any of it makes sense. " What If and Night of the Living Dregs are both good albums
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Attitude Indicator posted:I know that's the case for Siberian Kathru, but i don't think it applies to all their songs. Loveless is like that but it fits into that album's whole " i'm half asleep and hallucinating and also trapped inside a vacuum cleaner" thing
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I think the most lyrically concise song by Yes is Turn of the Century, partly because you can actually understand the narrative. Going for the One is a pretty underrated Yes album and I really do enjoy it.
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Sir Lemming posted:In a way I'd argue that truly great lyrics would be wasted in a style of music that's so focused on complex composition and performance. You wouldn't notice them. That is a silly argument. Opera and musical theater often involve more complex compositions and performances than prog or any other kind of rock music, and yet the lyrics are just as important to the audience as the music. in the classic prog world I'd say Peter Sinfield wrote a lot of good lines Earwicker fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Nov 4, 2017 |
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Vargatron posted:I think the most lyrically concise song by Yes is Turn of the Century, partly because you can actually understand the narrative. Going for the One is a pretty underrated Yes album and I really do enjoy it.
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In terms of modern prog wankery, An Endless Sporadic is among the most intricate and pleasing listen I've found recently. Any good recommendations in the same vein?
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I saw King Crimson last night, good god they melted my loving brain. So much growth since I saw them 3 years ago.
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I'm digging the self-titled album by Valenor, but they don't seem to do much in the way of...anything? They have an abandoned facebook page and that's kind of it. It seems to be one-off project from the people involved.
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Noise Machine posted:I saw King Crimson last night, good god they melted my loving brain. So much growth since I saw them 3 years ago. How many drummers are they up to now?
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Tsaedje posted:How many drummers are they up to now? They're actually only drummers now. Even Boppin' Bobby.
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Cymbal Monkey posted:They're actually only drummers now. Even Boppin' Bobby. As a drummer I'm all for this As a guitarist I'm indifferent
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Home from IB Expo, I now love Isildurs Bane. Got to talk to Pete Hamill and thank him for his life work and shake his hand.
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I'm currently listening to Steven Wilson's Boner Jams '17 and the talk of his lyrics earlier reminded me of the time I seriously angered a friend by saying that I thought that little video he put out like a decade ago where he shot iPods was actually funny
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Lightning Lord posted:I'm currently listening to Steven Wilson's Boner Jams '17 and the talk of his lyrics earlier reminded me of the time I seriously angered a friend by saying that I thought that little video he put out like a decade ago where he shot iPods was actually funny
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