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Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets

Nice piece of fish posted:

Well I've heard about Small Claims, but this is ridiculous :rimshot:

The only thing that would make it better if the judge said “that’s just my two cents” at some point.

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Bulky Bartokomous
Nov 3, 2006

In Mypos, only the strong survive.

SlyFrog posted:

Like Human Resources? Really? I would have assumed there's a lot of firing people, disappointing people, etc. One thing I have realized is that in particular, I'm tired of conflict. Tired of arguing with people. Tired of negotiating minutia, fighting. My new theory is that transnational law practice is like haggling for a used car all day ("Oh, come on, I can't give you that, no one gets that, you have to do better, sharpen your pencil, etc.").

So super-chill is good, but I guess I never associated that with a human resources position?

Yes, employee discipline is a huge part of my job but I’m not the one that actually issues it. I help managers and supervisor do it without breaking the law or the CBA. I’ll admit that the chill factor is increased because we have fair and reasonable unions. I also deal with leave issues and reasonable accommodations. It’s not stress free but it is more relaxed than private practice for sure.

Bro Enlai
Nov 9, 2008

Bulky Bartokomous posted:

Yes, employee discipline is a huge part of my job but I’m not the one that actually issues it. I help managers and supervisor do it without breaking the law or the CBA. I’ll admit that the chill factor is increased because we have fair and reasonable unions. I also deal with leave issues and reasonable accommodations. It’s not stress free but it is more relaxed than private practice for sure.

I also did a lot of employee discipline back when I was in employment law. I found it not to be that stressful because most of our grievances settled out for X months' worth of compensation, voluntary resignation, neutral reference letter. If a case did go to hearing, it was always in arbitration--no pesky rules of evidence to worry about, minimal motion practice and discovery. Plus it's second only to criminal law for funny stories (employees getting disciplined for photocopying their butts, etc.)

One thing that was difficult was grievances where we couldn't do anything about the situation, for example if the payment system screwed up and we couldn't fix it on a reasonable timeline. Things where the CBA violation was fairly clear and we couldn't do much but to fall on our sword. Those could be frustrating. But on the whole, I really enjoyed doing employer-side employment law.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

I met the senior partner of my practice group. He described himself as "patriarchal" and "Machiavellian" in a single sentence. I thought he was joking so I laughed.

He was not joking.

Pook Good Mook
Aug 6, 2013


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Vox Nihili posted:

I met the senior partner of my practice group. He described himself as "patriarchal" and "Machiavellian" in a single sentence. I thought he was joking so I laughed.

He was not joking.

I hate when people get into a position like senior partner and think it's because they are "Machiavellian" or that they are somehow more conniving than other people. Almost uniformly these people lucked out on things beyond their control.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Vox Nihili posted:

I met the senior partner of my practice group. He described himself as "patriarchal" and "Machiavellian" in a single sentence. I thought he was joking so I laughed.

He was not joking.

Don't worry, if he's actually Machiavellian, he will probably have already committed his atrocities and won't want to dribble out petty vengeance against you.

Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord
I saw a man die today in Court. The Bailiff brought him back with chest compressions.

Then the hearings resumed.

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

Roger_Mudd posted:

I saw a man die today in Court. The Bailiff brought him back with chest compressions.

Then the hearings resumed.

Not even death will discharge student loan obligations

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

CaptainScraps posted:

Not even death will discharge student loan obligations

Jeysus :eyepop:

Today's fun fact from socialismland: Over here student loans are automatically discharged at death (for any reason, counting suicide). It's a special exemption from the estate taking on all debts of the deceased. If it helps, law school still sucks and you shouldn't go, even for free (which it is).

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

It's actually true here too, the majority of student loans die with you and are not taxable against the estate.

Right?

Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

It's actually true here too, the majority of student loans die with you and are not taxable against the estate.

Right?

Yes but even if not, jokes on them. I'm gonna die destitute!

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Nice piece of fish posted:

Jeysus :eyepop:

Today's fun fact from socialismland: Over here student loans are automatically discharged at death (for any reason, counting suicide). It's a special exemption from the estate taking on all debts of the deceased. If it helps, law school still sucks and you shouldn't go, even for free (which it is).

You have student loans in socialism land?

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.
Dogpics


Adar
Jul 27, 2001

SlyFrog posted:

Wow, that's really something. Magic: The Pokering.

Designing pokervidyagame doesn't pay as much as law but it also doesn't suck, A+ would do again

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Explanations of how the internet works as written by lawyers is excruciating to read. Talking about dialup and direct computer to computer communication in a 2014 paper. Dear me.

Edit:

Jens Werner posted:

The operator (supplier) places a webvertisement (advertisement) on his web page (shop), offering products for a special price.

loving kill me.

Jaded Burnout fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Nov 4, 2017

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider

Adar posted:

Designing pokervidyagame doesn't pay as much as law but it also doesn't suck, A+ would do again

I know a bunch of vidyagame worker bros, crunch sucks

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

CaptainScraps posted:

I know a bunch of vidyagame worker bros, crunch sucks

It does but the good kind of gam(bl)ing doesn’t do crunches

Meatbag Esq.
May 3, 2006

Hmm which internet meme should go here again?

Jaded Burnout posted:

Explanations of how the internet works as written by lawyers is excruciating to read. Talking about dialup and direct computer to computer communication in a 2014 paper. Dear me.

Edit:


loving kill me.

Technobabble and legalese are two different languages and there is an entire category of lawyers whose job it is to translate between the two (and also plain English). But yea that looks especially bad.

disjoe
Feb 18, 2011


I remember reading a pretty interesting article like a year ago that discussed how incompatible the concept of personal jurisdiction is with the internet.

It was pretty interesting because it was basically like there’s no good answer and we need a new doctrine on the level of International Shoe

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Meatbag Esq. posted:

Technobabble and legalese are two different languages and there is an entire category of lawyers whose job it is to translate between the two (and also plain English). But yea that looks especially bad.

The thing that puts me in a bit of a bind is I'm being asked for which opinion (on contract acceptance over email) I agree with more and why. The best I could say was "neither of them fully understand the technology but one of them is less wrong and came to the right conclusion by accident, so them, I guess".

nutri_void
Apr 18, 2015

I shall devour your soul.
Grimey Drawer

disjoe posted:

I remember reading a pretty interesting article like a year ago that discussed how incompatible the concept of personal jurisdiction is with the internet.

It was pretty interesting because it was basically like there’s no good answer and we need a new doctrine on the level of International Shoe

This is already what doing anything internet-related in a civil law jurisdiciton is like
It's awful and I'm glad I deal with old-school physical things that are sold, bought, lost, broken etc.

There's a local biglaw superstar who manages to openly be a colossal geek and the guy seriously spent some time trying to figure out how and what law should apply to Diablo 3 gold back in the RMAH era. And to the items. The attemtps were in vain, but the exercise was somewhat fun

nutri_void fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Nov 4, 2017

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Aug 6, 2013


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disjoe posted:

I remember reading a pretty interesting article like a year ago that discussed how incompatible the concept of personal jurisdiction is with the internet.

It was pretty interesting because it was basically like there’s no good answer and we need a new doctrine on the level of International Shoe

Aren't we just treating the internet as if the company is a national advertiser and then fighting about specific vs. general jurisdiction? I don't see why that's incompatible.

Tipps
Apr 18, 2006


party in the front

business in the back

Roger_Mudd posted:

I saw a man die today in Court. The Bailiff brought him back with chest compressions.

Then the hearings resumed.

I had a case last week where a worker in one of our little 300-people hamlets died at his desk and people only found out about it the next day when he was found unresponsive.

Coroner is still on the case, but we had to stop the hamlet's sole RCMP officer from raiding the office and taking all the computers without a warrant. Apparently the cop is convinced that this was an assassination and the computers hold all the secrets, and not that the guy just had a heart attack or some poo poo.

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Aug 6, 2013


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Tipps posted:

I had a case last week where a worker in one of our little 300-people hamlets died at his desk and people only found out about it the next day when he was found unresponsive.

Coroner is still on the case, but we had to stop the hamlet's sole RCMP officer from raiding the office and taking all the computers without a warrant. Apparently the cop is convinced that this was an assassination and the computers hold all the secrets, and not that the guy just had a heart attack or some poo poo.

I want the cop to be right.

Tipps
Apr 18, 2006


party in the front

business in the back
For a solo RCMP officer working in a The Shining-esque detachment at the north pole, any excuse to investigate something that isn't domestic abuse and grizzly sexual assault is probably a godsend.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

Well five years of practice down and all I can say is lawyering is boring.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

Well five years of practice down and all I can say is lawyering is boring.

That's the best. Means you can relax.

GamingHyena
Jul 25, 2003

Devil's Advocate

Tipps posted:

I had a case last week where a worker in one of our little 300-people hamlets died at his desk and people only found out about it the next day when he was found unresponsive.

Coroner is still on the case, but we had to stop the hamlet's sole RCMP officer from raiding the office and taking all the computers without a warrant. Apparently the cop is convinced that this was an assassination and the computers hold all the secrets, and not that the guy just had a heart attack or some poo poo.

I hope people keep dying in more and more improbable "accidents" as the lone RCMP officer tries in vain to convince the town officials to investigate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3aeAQOEjJI

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

nm posted:

That's the best. Means you can relax.

Oh it's only because I've intentionally slowed down my litigation for health reasons so now I'm just like, drafting in my office all day and I want to die.

Solid Lizzie
Sep 26, 2011

Forbes or GTFO

Vox Nihili posted:

I met the senior partner of my practice group. He described himself as "patriarchal" and "Machiavellian" in a single sentence. I thought he was joking so I laughed.

He was not joking.

Was his name Steve Bannon

Also I work in ecommerce and yes everything from iris diction to supply chain liability is like GLHF

Solid Lizzie fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Nov 7, 2017

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

Yo Texans:

Price check on retainer/hourly rates on a family law issue for a friend.

Contested modification 2 years after final decree in Travis. Parents are JMC, 50/50 possession, no child support currently. Mom wants jmc with primary right, standard possession order. Reason for modification: kid has now started school, want to provide stability by switching to standard.

Lawyer who handled previous divorce/sapcr wants 15k retainer and bills $400/hour.

My reaction was 5k up front, 200/hour. I mean, moving from a week on/off arrangement to standard possession should be an easy-ish fix if they don't get into a pissing match about bad parenting.

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

Yo Texans:

Price check on retainer/hourly rates on a family law issue for a friend.

Contested modification 2 years after final decree in Travis. Parents are JMC, 50/50 possession, no child support currently. Mom wants jmc with primary right, standard possession order. Reason for modification: kid has now started school, want to provide stability by switching to standard.

Lawyer who handled previous divorce/sapcr wants 15k retainer and bills $400/hour.

My reaction was 5k up front, 200/hour. I mean, moving from a week on/off arrangement to standard possession should be an easy-ish fix if they don't get into a pissing match about bad parenting.

It amazes me what people will ask for.

Your reaction is actually pretty generous. Most will do $2500 up, 250/hour.

Temp order -> Social study -> Mediation

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

Haha a social study would wind up getting her smc and him supervised. She's trying to be reasonable but I was mad enough to almost do it pro bono (but of course she could be lying).

Roger_Mudd
Jul 18, 2003

Buglord

Hot Dog Day #91 posted:

Yo Texans:

Price check on retainer/hourly rates on a family law issue for a friend.

Contested modification 2 years after final decree in Travis. Parents are JMC, 50/50 possession, no child support currently. Mom wants jmc with primary right, standard possession order. Reason for modification: kid has now started school, want to provide stability by switching to standard.

Lawyer who handled previous divorce/sapcr wants 15k retainer and bills $400/hour.

My reaction was 5k up front, 200/hour. I mean, moving from a week on/off arrangement to standard possession should be an easy-ish fix if they don't get into a pissing match about bad parenting.

$2,500-$5,000 retainer. $250-$300 per hour.

Omerta
Feb 19, 2007

I thought short arms were good for benching :smith:
Getting ready to file a motion for sanctions. Got a six-figure sanctions award last year and would love to add another order to my wall of shame.

GamingHyena
Jul 25, 2003

Devil's Advocate

Roger_Mudd posted:

$2,500-$5,000 retainer. $250-$300 per hour.

This sounds about right. Unless there's a ton of discovery to do I'm not sure I could even ethically burn through a $15k retainer on a motion to modify.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Biglaw lateral status report, month 4~ I'm sick as a dog and still working. Got chewed out for not getting poo poo done in the middle of the night. Every time I need to turn a doc this attorney scribbles fifty pages of bullshit on it in pencil as their comments and if I'm not there they email me an admittedly high-quality but still largely illegible scan. If it's the second pass they will go into all sorts of poo poo they didn't touch in the first pass, and half of it is completely arbitrary. This person is not even an old. Lmao.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

GamingHyena posted:

This sounds about right. Unless there's a ton of discovery to do I'm not sure I could even ethically burn through a $15k retainer on a motion to modify.

After getting more facts, I think the attorney is actually reasonable. Her case is a poo poo show. 15k sounds reasonable now.

Lawdog69
Nov 2, 2010
Big Law status report: my life still sucks.

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disjoe
Feb 18, 2011


Big Law open enrollment status report: our insurance loving sucks

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