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I guess I've just never known siblings who fight that much, I never had that growing up or any of my friends with siblings. I only see kids act that bad on TV. My friend, a single mom with 3 kids, 2 the same ages as in this episode, has way way better control over them. I went on a 3 day road trip with those kids and sometimes they'd get stupid and petty over attention or a toy/game and generally "act like kids" but it wasn't non-stop and they didn't just ignore you and keep doing it if mom told them to knock it off. If one of them hit the other or threw a toy of value there'd be serious consequences. Kids learn pretty quick to tune out mom telling them to behave or stop biting their brother when it's just talk or the punishment is random, but consistent consequences/punishment for bad behavior and positive attention for good works real nice. Isaac was a good robodad because he destroyed the kid's game, showing that with him there were actual consequences to being shits.
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Baronjutter posted:I guess I've just never known siblings who fight that much, I never had that growing up or any of my friends with siblings. I only see kids act that bad on TV. My friend, a single mom with 3 kids, 2 the same ages as in this episode, has way way better control over them. I went on a 3 day road trip with those kids and sometimes they'd get stupid and petty over attention or a toy/game and generally "act like kids" but it wasn't non-stop and they didn't just ignore you and keep doing it if mom told them to knock it off. If one of them hit the other or threw a toy of value there'd be serious consequences. Kids learn pretty quick to tune out mom telling them to behave or stop biting their brother when it's just talk or the punishment is random, but consistent consequences/punishment for bad behavior and positive attention for good works real nice. My sister has two boys roughly as far apart as these two boys are and yeah this is 100% how they acted a few years ago.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:02
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Yeah I was that way as a kid. Both parents worked and we figured out pretty quick that they weren't creative enough to punish us in ways we couldn't just shrug off. Once when I was couch-bound with strep throat my little brother would randomly smack me with a ruler just as I was falling asleep. Luckily for me he eventually broke his leg, and was equally as helpless... 
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Nov 3, 2017 23:06
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Gynovore posted:So after a night of So we did get some huge insights into her character.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:11
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Baronjutter posted:I guess I've just never known siblings who fight that much
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Nov 3, 2017 23:12
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I wonder if they only got the kids for the one episode or they'll be a semi-recurring role like the fat engineering dude.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:12
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My older brother once trapped me in a toy chest for 7 hours while I screamed and panicked. Huh, thinking back on it, that's probably why I'm somewhat claustrophobic.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:12
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Their thesis is you need struggle or a threat to make good art but history always shows it to be the exact opposite, where the more stability there is the more art there is. More art or better art? Subjective obviously, but we could maybe quantify how influential.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:15
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Yeah my dad was telling me him and his 3 siblings would fight to the point of being bloodied and bruised like weekly and parents would just say stop or spank them but generally shrug it off as kids being kids. I'm lucky I had none of that growing up, nor did my friends with siblings. Good kids who rarely act out and chill loving siblings that never torture each other do absolutely exist though. Also I love how not only is orville doing the whole "ship is full of families" thing but it's so luxurious every kid gets their own big bedroom too.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:19
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I loved that not only did Isaac destroy the game, but he matter-of-factly told them that the game would never be spoken of again.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:20
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Man, worst that ever happened with me and my brother was when we were wrestling and he kicked me through a wall.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:22
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Once I got so mad at my brother for being a jerk that I put my foot through his bedroom door. Like, I kicked it hat hard. It ended up injuring me more, but he didn't have privacy for weeks.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:28
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Covok posted:Once I got so mad at my brother for being a jerk that I put my foot through his bedroom door. Like, I kicked it hat hard. It ended up injuring me more, but he didn't have privacy for weeks. I thought I was in the Trump thread and was going to comment "republicanvoter.txt" I still did.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:33
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I ending up breaking my older sister's wrist once. It was an accident, but it happened pretty much the way the shuttle crashed. Pretty back and forth sniping made her lose her balance and brace her fall with her hand. Never lets me forget it either, it was like a week before we went to the beach.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:34
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Gynovore posted:Stabbing the dude was WAY out of character for Finn; she should have done like every Trek doctor ever and used a hypospray as a knockout. She didn't have hypospray. She had a communicator, a knife, and a gun. It's very obvious that Finn was trying to preserve life. If she hadn't given a poo poo she would have executed PrepAlien when he entered the room with one bullet to the back of the head, or with a knife to the neck if "no noise" was a concern. Her plan was obviously to gut-stab him, a painful but not immediate way to die, escape, and come back to heal him later. Instead, the knife didn't slow him down sufficiently and he gained the upper hand, so at that point she's out of options - the knife is in her adversary's gut, so her only play is the gun. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Nov 3, 2017 |
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Nov 3, 2017 23:35
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Baronjutter posted:I thought her kids were over the top and reminded me of how so many times when black single mom's are shown having boys they're always these totally violently uncontrollable shits because obviously without a strong father figure kids can't grow up right. Thats been a lovely media trope for a long long time. I just finished watching Vice Principals and it's the exact same situation, single black mom who's a respected professional but has totally out of control hosed up kids because that's just how kids obviously get without a strongdad. It felt like they were presenting her choice to be a single mom as a mistake because look, she's totally over her head can't control her kids at all, this is what you get for trying to have a career and kids without a man. Luckily a strong robodad stepped in and taught those kids to respect their mom and stop screaming and hitting each other for 2 seconds. Then I read this thread which reminded me of basically every time Isaac talked and how hilarious it was. There really was a lot of entertainment in this episode, just like how Pria and Social Media World had plenty to entertain when you get past the parts that just don't feel original or progressive. So, yeah, despite this episode being full of stuff I don't generally find enjoyable, there was still just enough that I can confidently call it a good episode and continue enjoying this show. BTW when the shuttle gets split in half and you see Finn's half just fly away... holy gently caress that is nightmare inducing. Nice job being a scary show.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:35
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Man, I'm glad I'm an only child.
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Nov 3, 2017 23:35
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one year for christmas my parents gave me a box of broken glass and my brother a box of band-aids and said "you two share"
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Nov 3, 2017 23:43
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This was just posted in the STD:DISCO thread:
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Nov 3, 2017 23:54
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It's so loving strange to me that that's a real model because for some reason it looks like CG in the show. And then you see the things that are CG and they look worse and you're like "ok.. maybe it's not CG?" In any case I want that model. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Nov 4, 2017 |
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Nov 3, 2017 23:59
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When we were kids, my sister once hit me in the head with crescent wrench. Another occasion after she'd been tormenting me for a while then felt bad and tried to hug it out I bit her in the stomach so hard I drew blood.
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Nov 4, 2017 00:24
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My siblings and I just bickered and fought using words, until we grew old enough to realize how terrible we were acting. But that was my point: what The Orville showed was bratty kids acting like bratty kids, not an attack on 'single black mothers' as the earlier poster suggested. And at least these kids stopped being annoying and stepped up when they were in danger, as real kids would.
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Nov 4, 2017 00:34
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DaveKap posted:BTW when the shuttle gets split in half and you see Finn's half just fly away... holy gently caress that is nightmare inducing. Nice job being a scary show. They really gave Dr. Finn a rough time of it. The crash, being separated from the kids, trapped by PrepAlien, crossing a window ledge to safety. I was impressed by how they shot the captivity scenes. The camera work emphasized how much bigger and more threatening he was, it really made the scenes creepier. And when they do get violent, he does just backhand her down the hallway even after being stabbed. A woman's nightmare right there.
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Carbon dioxide posted:This was just posted in the STD:DISCO thread: If they don't make this model available for sale, I'll be greatly disappointed.
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Nov 4, 2017 00:46
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slave to my cravings posted:I hope they do a Isaac episode where they visit his home planet and the leader is played by Brent Spiner I hope Seth has the clout and balls to have Brent Spiner actually playing Isaac under a fake name and has managed to keep a lid on it.
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Nov 4, 2017 01:14
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I was shy and fairly well behaved as a kid, and I still fought with my older sister all the time back when I was in my "bratty kid" years. Nothing physical, but we would get on each other's nerves pretty consistently. For me this episode brought back memories of me and my sister fighting over space during vacations in our family's old Dodge Caravan.
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Nov 4, 2017 01:17
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precision posted:I hope Seth has the clout and balls to have Brent Spiner actually playing Isaac under a fake name and has managed to keep a lid on it. Uhh... We know exactly who's playing Isaac.
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Nov 4, 2017 01:47
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Peachfart posted:My siblings and I just bickered and fought using words, until we grew old enough to realize how terrible we were acting. Yeah, part of the thing about being a kid or even a teenager is that your brain doesn't work the way an adult brain does. You act like an impulsive, selfish rear end in a top hat (by adult standards) without necessarily realizing that you're doing it, or why you're doing it.
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Nov 4, 2017 01:55
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Has Isaac ever said he doesn't have emotions? He wanted to learn about organic stuff, but I've had the impression he definitely already has emotions. Or a better version thereof.
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Nov 4, 2017 01:56
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Beachcomber posted:Has Isaac ever said he doesn't have emotions? He wanted to learn about organic stuff, but I've had the impression he definitely already has emotions. Or a better version thereof. He clearly says "I am relieved" and means it, I think it was pretty clear that he has emotions, he just wants to learn about human culture and behavior. Data would have been all "My programming doesn't allow me to be relieved"
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Kurieg posted:Uhh... We know exactly who's playing Isaac. How can he be real, he doesn't even have a wikipedia page?
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Nov 4, 2017 01:59
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precision posted:I hope Seth has the clout and balls to have Brent Spiner actually playing Isaac under a fake name and has managed to keep a lid on it.  He had the clout and balls to have that guy on the far right pretend to be Brent Spiner. God drat Bortus's actor is a straight up pimp.
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Nov 4, 2017 02:03
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Gynovore posted:Hehe, that's an awesome theory, but it implies Sisko snuck out of the wormhole to make whoopie with Cassidy once more They're twins, but she gave birth while stuck in the wormhole. Ask Worf, he was there.
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Carbon dioxide posted:Oh wow, the shuttle has the Boeing cockpit warning alarm voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKkrCx4-pGE Also, I'm pretty sure the computer voice is Seth MacFarlane's sister.  The whole shuttle crash scene seemed heavily influenced by the plane crash in Flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nhxm5QEbYI
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Mental Hospitality posted:Also, I'm pretty sure the computer voice is Seth MacFarlane's sister. i laughed when i saw that the computer was voiced by a macfarlane injokes extending to casting is something i can appreciate
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WampaLord posted:He clearly says "I am relieved" and means it, I think it was pretty clear that he has emotions, he just wants to learn about human culture and behavior. I think data said he was relieved on some context. And there's the episode where Troi explains that data does have a concept of friendship and positive experiences that he's prone to reinforcing. Isaac probably doesn't get scared but he also probably had a good "survival instinct" equivalent.
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Just got to watch it finally and wow, that was probably my favorite episode so far. Isaac traveling with those kids and that little boy getting sick just got me right in the emotions.
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Nov 4, 2017 03:16
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Just got to watch it finally and wow, that was probably my favorite episode so far. Just watched it, too. Maybe one of my favourite episodes once you get past the first 10-15 minutes, and I think I know why. There was very little of what this show usually relies on for humour; the funny bits were understated, and flowed naturally from the characters and their interactions with the situation and each other. The way the humour undercut Krill and Majority Rule was just painful.
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Nov 4, 2017 03:40
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Computer voiced by the creator's wife? Perfect symmetry. It's like a circle, it's poetry.
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Carbon dioxide posted:This was just posted in the STD:DISCO thread: Were it not for the picture being right there (as opposed to a link), I would have assumed this was some gross-out rickroll attempt showing John Trevolta with advanced (disfiguring) syphilis.
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