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Sapozhnik posted:what is it about the human brain that causes the default impulse toward other animals to be FEED, GROOM as opposed to EAT or FLEE i think that usually applies only to animals that display certain traits that are also considered attractive in humans: big eyes, soft hair, playful nature imo it's some kind of short circuit in the "protect your babies" part of the brain. further evidence is how people intensely love their own babies but are revolted by everyone else's (resource competition). a puppy doesn't compete with your child for resources so it just triggers the "love this little thing that's soft and makes cute noises" neurons exclusively
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Sagebrush posted:i think that usually applies only to animals that display certain traits that are also considered attractive in humans: big eyes, soft hair, playful nature it's sapience
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i'm j/s it would make a lot more sense in a way if people had to consciously restrain themselves from wanting to grab small passing animals and just start munching on them, seeing as meat is an essential part of our diet but even the most twisted hosed up psychopaths don't have any trace of a predatory instinct it's kind of weird when you think about it
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free will is a real thing
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Sagebrush posted:i think that usually applies only to animals that display certain traits that are also considered attractive in humans: big eyes, soft hair, playful nature Also something about the large eyes to small skull ratio that triggers our d'aww instincts. Baby eyeballs are almost the same size as adult eyeballs.
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empathy is not a consequence of sapience, animals demonstrate it all the time. maybe it's to do with the feast/famine nature of predatory existence. civilized humans don't get capital-H Hungry very often. hunting and killing prey is a risky and energetic activity so why bother when your batteries are fully topped up. i'd imagine some north korean suffering one of their wonderful god-king's endless famines would view a cute baby cow through very different eyes to an average american.
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Sapozhnik posted:i'm j/s it would make a lot more sense in a way if people had to consciously restrain themselves from wanting to grab small passing animals and just start munching on them, seeing as meat is an essential part of our diet agriculture is a hell of a drug
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https://twitter.com/markpopham/status/807308078114865152
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Sapozhnik posted:empathy is not a consequence of sapience, animals demonstrate it all the time. empathy is 100% a consequence of spaience
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empathy is related to consequence, which is related to responsibility
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also lol if you've never been "capital H" hungry
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ever felt the urge to eat a stray cat?
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Sapozhnik posted:i'd imagine some north korean suffering one of their wonderful god-king's endless famines would view a cute baby cow through very different eyes to an average american. apparently in nk it is a big crime to kill a cow for food because a live one produces milk. the only way a north korean might get to eat beef is if the farmers and soldiers collude to claim that it's diseased and must be destroyed, so the cow is shot and then butchered in secrecy this is a very  video related to thathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0TYCEXmi90 SmokaDustbowl posted:empathy is related to consequence ????? this is some sociopath opinion right here
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Sapozhnik posted:ever felt the urge to eat a stray cat? ever given into it?
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Empathy doesn't come easily to humans and there is a huge range of skill at it.
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Salt Fish posted:Empathy doesn't come easily to humans and there is a huge range of skill at it.
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empathy is developed automatically by children (autistic people, sociopaths, etc. excluded) as they reach a particular age and eliminating it requires extensive training. or did you think that the army just does all that stuff they do in boot camp for fun
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Sagebrush posted:empathy is developed automatically by children (autistic people, sociopaths, etc. excluded) as they reach a particular age and eliminating it requires extensive training. lmao
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when you hit your 5th birthday you level up into empathy
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SmokaDustbowl posted:when you hit your 5th birthday you level up into empathy almost literally yes quote:By the age of two years, children normally begin to display the fundamental behaviors of empathy by having an emotional response that corresponds with another person's emotional state.[65] Even earlier, at one year of age, infants have some rudiments of empathy, in the sense that they understand that, just like their own actions, other people's actions have goals.[66][67][68] Sometimes, toddlers will comfort others or show concern for them at as early an age as two. Also during the second year, toddlers will play games of falsehood or "pretend" in an effort to fool others, and this requires that the child know what others believe before he or she can manipulate those beliefs.[69] In order to develop these traits, it is essential to expose your child to face-to-face interactions and opportunities and lead them away from a sedentary lifestyle.
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so where do the parents come in?
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the parents are the ones who train empathy out of the child (e.g. by promoting racism), or discourage its formation. plenty of stuff can happen to cause emotional damage to a child and skew their natural development (*cough* yosposters) but the default human state, for the majority of people, is empathetic.
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Sagebrush posted:the parents are the ones who train empathy out of the child (e.g. by promoting racism), or discourage its formation. plenty of stuff can happen to cause emotional damage to a child and skew their natural development (*cough* yosposters) but the default human state, for the majority of people, is empathetic. tell me more about the default human state, sounds real cool
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i've noticed you do this "lol, you care, so bored" thing every time someone owns you real good so i'm glad this has been an educational experience 
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Sagebrush posted:empathy is developed automatically by children (autistic people, sociopaths, etc. excluded) as they reach a particular age and eliminating it requires extensive training. you haven't noticed that literally every wealthy person has 0 empathy
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Sagebrush posted:i've noticed you do this "lol, you care, so bored" thing every time someone owns you real good so i'm glad this has been an educational experience I've noticed that people really really try to own me all the time
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only graph and smythe can judge me
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Improbable Lobster posted:you haven't noticed that literally every wealthy person has 0 empathy well, sure, but all that indicates to me is that having lots of money rots your empathetic abilities. that doesn't change anything about the characteristics with which humans are born.
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SmokaDustbowl posted:I've noticed that people really really try to own me all the time just move to the us slavery still legal there
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since i'm making GBS threads up the thread with dime store psychology, here are 10 random images from my folder         
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Sagebrush posted:this is a very i'm going out to drive my car to pick up some ramen, edamame, and gyoza, at a restaurant. sometimes living in the USA is a blessing.
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i'm eating nongshim shin black premium noodle soup
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The only natural state of humanity is poo poo posting on the internet because you're totally bored and alone on a friday night, even though you just moved to a new city, and oh god I'm going to die alone.
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Improbable Lobster posted:i'm eating nongshim shin black premium noodle soup shin ramyun is better
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Also I'm eating a chicken curry that I made it took like an hour but it's really good.
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Salt Fish posted:The only natural state of humanity is poo poo posting on the internet because you're totally bored and alone on a friday night, even though you just moved to a new city, and oh god I'm going to die alone. what city
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Salt Fish posted:The only natural state of humanity is poo poo posting on the internet because you're totally bored and alone on a friday night, even though you just moved to a new city, and oh god I'm going to die alone. everyone dies alone
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