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ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

Atlas Hugged posted:

I heard it was three months.

only if the baby is a hybrid. the dirty foreign blood sucks up more of the mother's qi. very dangerous.

EDIT - it feels like I've been at the top of a bunch of pages. it's totally not intentional.

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


nickmeister posted:

Do Chinese people actually like bitter melon, or do they just eat it out of national pride? Bitter melon strikes me as one of those things. Like how Mongolian drink that gross horse milk liquor.

My old boss loves it. He also forgot that no one else does and once ordered lunch for the entire school that was all fried bitter melon and literally nobody ate it, lol.

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

nickmeister posted:

Do Chinese people actually like bitter melon, or do they just eat it out of national pride? Bitter melon strikes me as one of those things. Like how Mongolian drink that gross horse milk liquor.

Horse milk liquor (Kumis) is pretty weird, but distilled it makes some pretty baller horse milk ... vodka?

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

Bajaj posted:

Me inviting Mainland friends for thick lentil vegetable soup--

Me: "Here's the soup. You can add salt to your preference."
Them: "Where's the rice?"
Me: "No rice. This soup will make you full. It has a lot of stuff in it. Try it."
Them: "How can I get full if there is no rice?"
Me: "Just eat the soup. You will find out."
Them: "Is it healthy?"
Me: "Yes, it has a lot of protein and minerals and good stuff. Just eat the soup."
Them: "But how to be healthy when you don't eat rice?"
Me: "EAT THE SOUP!"

Then they eat and later complain they are too full. For this rice fiasco and the assumptions that come with it, I starting making sure to buy one of those white flour unhealthy triangle breads that turn into glue in your stomach, and then they would see "Oh, soup and bread" and not whine about rice.
I have had so many people be completely flabbergasted that I might eat one thing for a meal, or that foreigners can eat one dish and not like four fried little bowls of things with a mountain of rice. I had a heck of a time trying to explain burritos to people, since it was just one item, but had everything for a meal inside of it.

EDIT: When Chaoshan Girl got to India and she went to eat at a popular Western foods restaurant (partially owned by a bunch of Italians, so it was authentic), she saw the low prices and thought foods would be like in China, so she ordered three dishes to try. She couldn't even finish one of the dishes (some pasta) and had them put the rest in a bag so she could feed it to a cow, since I told her not to throw it away.

I ate with her there later and introduced her to burritos, lasagna, veggie burgers, frankies, Indian chowmein, and other things she didn't know existed. This caused her such a shock in her quality of life and feeling that she realized how bad the food she had been eating her whole life is. She returned to China and doesn't eat Chinese food and now cooks all her meals at home. She ordered olive oil and ghee, and drinks at least 500ml of imported milk per day. She said she now realizes how weak and useless she felt before she had this food epiphany, and Chinese food is so bad for health.

India, at the moment. Next place will probably be Thailand. My mom is telling me Vietnam. I have no clue. I'll know in a couple weeks when I buy tickets.

Bajaj you are improving CG, good work. Keep it up.

Ceciltron
Jan 11, 2007

Text BEEP to 43527 for the dancing robot!
Pillbug
I like the bitter melon! It goes well with beef.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar
A colleague recently started sharing his office with a guy from China. Everything seemed okay at first and we all thought he got lucky.

Turns out he was just waiting for my friend to relax before starting up with the song of his people.


*SNIFF* 5 seconds later *SNIFF* 5 seconds later *SNIFF* 5 seconds later *SNIFF* 5 seconds later

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible

nickmeister posted:

Do Chinese people actually like bitter melon, or do they just eat it out of national pride? Bitter melon strikes me as one of those things. Like how Mongolian drink that gross horse milk liquor.

in okinawa they make a really good beer from it

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible
oh also please have some china.mp4


https://my.mixtape.moe/dndtfk.mp4



https://my.mixtape.moe/gbfoce.mp4

Riptor
Apr 13, 2003

here's to feelin' good all the time

smash口

CIGNX
May 7, 2006

You can trust me
good for healthy/bird flu

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
Here's a interview by someone who thinks that China is already basically a superpower:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK0Fuco2oW4

Pretty standard "rising China" rhetoric. I don't remember the details, but apparently China's supercomputers are bullshit face machines? And their AI research as well?

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->
Their supercomputers are bullshit face machines at the highest levels and at mid to lower levels are just server clusters that nobody but the Chinese submit to the list

Their AI research is massively exaggerated and, like in most thing, the height of their ability is to follow trends already established in the West

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010
I keep seeing people spout off about China's AI capabilities as if it's a forgone conclusion that they have made amazing progress in that field, but I haven't seen a single significant accomplishment from them. I know the PRC has made several announcements about how China is going to be an AI superstar by 2020 2030, but so far that's just talk. Meanwhile, AlphaGo is kicking the asses of the best players in the world and nobody really seems to care that much (aside from go players, they care a lot).

Their supercomputing capabilities are one thing. Sure, you could argue that their supercomputers are highly specialized just to achieve impressive scores on certain tests, but being able to design a strongly specialized system is often a good thing. Not really when it comes to tests themselves, but if they can port this approach to something practical, it would be a useful endeavor. When it comes to AI, though, they really seem to have nothing to show for it. I've seen people mention Baidu's search engine, but there doesn't seem to be anything particularly special about that, other than the fact that it does a decent job of censoring stuff the PRC doesn't want people to see.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
You're not suggesting the Chinese are lying about research or science or anything are you?

Mimesweeper
Mar 11, 2009

Smellrose

hakimashou posted:

You're not suggesting the Chinese are lying about research or science or anything are you?

You just don't understand Chinese culture.

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
Got frustrated at my Chinese/English (mostly English) club last week. Given how no one speaks Chinese anymore, thinking about taking a break:

Anyways, had two of the Chinese members claim that Korean is basically another dialect of Chinese because Korean has so many words that sound just like Chinese! One of them is half Korean and is basically a native speaker in both Mandarin and Korean. He would write a word on the board in Chinese and Korean and go, "They're basically the same in both languages!"

"Oh yeah?" I would say. "Say it!"

Then he would turn to the Cantonese girl who's only experience with Korean are K-dramas or the white guy with three weeks of Korean under his belt: "Say it!"

The Cantonese girl would just say the word in Chinese. The white guy would say the word with what I can only guess is a terrible accent.

"No, no," I would say. "YOU say it. I want to hear you say it."

He turns to the other two: "Say it!"

"No, no, YOU say it."

Repeat several times. Then I tried to explain to them that Korean was not actually related to Chinese, they just had adopted Chinese words into their vocabulary because of China's influence. This didn't really seem to make sense to them.

"Hey," I said. "Japanese and English are basically the same. Check this out: sushi, sushi! Samurai, samurai! Karate, karate!"

"But those words originally come from Japanese..."

:psyduck:

Devils Affricate
Jan 22, 2010

hakimashou posted:

You're not suggesting the Chinese are lying about research or science or anything are you?

Obviously they're lying, I guess I'm just wondering why so many people are successfully convinced by it.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
---------------------------->

Devils Affricate posted:

Obviously they're lying, I guess I'm just wondering why so many people are successfully convinced by it.

Asians are good at math

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

nickmeister posted:

Anyways, had two of the Chinese members claim that Korean is basically another dialect of Chinese because Korean has so many words that sound just like Chinese!

much like how english is just a dialect of latin

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Barudak
May 7, 2007

ladron posted:

much like how english is just a dialect of latin

Whoa, to the conquerors go the spoils so English is actually a dialect of Dry Gin.

big time bisexual
Oct 16, 2002

Cool Party

nickmeister posted:

Anyways, had two of the Chinese members claim that Korean is basically another dialect of Chinese because Korean has so many words that sound just like Chinese! One of them is half Korean and is basically a native speaker in both Mandarin and Korean. He would write a word on the board in Chinese and Korean and go, "They're basically the same in both languages!

So many questions here. How does he reconcile the difference between the word orders in Korean (subject–object–verb) and Chinese (subject–verb–object)? The lack of tones in Korean? Why are verbs not conjugated in Chinese but conjugated according to tense and social hierarchy in Korean? Is Japanese considered a Chinese dialect since it also has loanwords from Chinese?

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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:backtowork:
Shanghaiist is shut down?

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

big time bisexual posted:

So many questions here. How does he reconcile the difference between the word orders in Korean (subject–object–verb) and Chinese (subject–verb–object)? The lack of tones in Korean? Why are verbs not conjugated in Chinese but conjugated according to tense and social hierarchy in Korean? Is Japanese considered a Chinese dialect since it also has loanwords from Chinese?

Japanese must be a dialect of chinese since they use chinese characters to write it happy to help.

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
\
:backtowork:

big time bisexual posted:

Is Japanese considered a Chinese dialect since it also has loanwords from Chinese?

I have run into Chinese people who have said this, based on the "Japan was populated by a prison ship / criminal pirate ship consisting of the dregs of Chinese society" myth.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

Imperialist Dog posted:

I have run into Chinese people who have said this, based on the "Japan was populated by a prison ship / criminal pirate ship consisting of the dregs of Chinese society" myth.

Did you counter with 'You mean you got overtaken by your own dregs?'

Pirate Radar
Apr 18, 2008

You're not my Ruthie!
You're not my Debbie!
You're not my Sherry!

Imperialist Dog posted:

Shanghaiist is shut down?

The writers voted to unionize, so the owner shut the website down and fired everyone.

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel
Without the communist party there would be no new china.

But without the USA there wouldn't be a China at all, just the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

I bet they leave that out of Chinese history books :(

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

Imperialist Dog posted:

I have run into Chinese people who have said this, based on the "Japan was populated by a prison ship / criminal pirate ship consisting of the dregs of Chinese society" myth.

what racist bullshit.
it was clearly monkeys, like the koreans say

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants

ladron posted:

much like how english is just a dialect of latin

No, nothing like Latin at all.

big time bisexual posted:

So many questions here. How does he reconcile the difference between the word orders in Korean (subject–object–verb) and Chinese (subject–verb–object)? The lack of tones in Korean? Why are verbs not conjugated in Chinese but conjugated according to tense and social hierarchy in Korean? Is Japanese considered a Chinese dialect since it also has loanwords from Chinese?

I brought a few of these points up. They just flew in one ear and out the other. My favorite part was when the Korean-Chinese guy said "identification card" in Mandarin Chinese over and over while claiming to be alternating between Chinese and Korean. "See? They sound the same!" It took me making him repeat about eight times before I finally convinced him he was actually just speak Chinese.

"Oh. Well, I guess they don't sound THAT similar..."

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Devils Affricate posted:

I've seen people mention Baidu's search engine, but there doesn't seem to be anything particularly special about that, other than the fact that it does a decent job of censoring stuff the PRC doesn't want people to see.

I use Baidu a lot living here, and it's bad. It's not even an insult about China, Baidu sucks the way every search engine's algorithm other than Google's sucks. Baidu's like Bing.

I think the biggest way it's obvious is when you search for anything not in Chinese. Google can handle searches in a wide range of languages and while it works best in English, you can get good results in any of the languages I've ever searched in. Baidu works... tolerably in Chinese, again think like Bing or Yahoo, and literally, absolutely not at all whatsoever in any other language.

E: lol at the Korean/Chinese thing. Korean does have a whole lot of Chinese vocabulary, my Korean background was helpful for me in learning Chinese here, but literally everything else is different.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

nickmeister posted:

No, nothing like Latin at all.

you are wrong and do not understand my people or culture

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Devils Affricate posted:

Their supercomputing capabilities are one thing. Sure, you could argue that their supercomputers are highly specialized just to achieve impressive scores on certain tests, but being able to design a strongly specialized system is often a good thing. Not really when it comes to tests themselves, but if they can port this approach to something practical, it would be a useful endeavor. When it comes to AI, though, they really seem to have nothing to show for it. I've seen people mention Baidu's search engine, but there doesn't seem to be anything particularly special about that, other than the fact that it does a decent job of censoring stuff the PRC doesn't want people to see.

If you steal Google then turn it into a reverse search engine you get a censorship engine. They are two sides of the same coin.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I'm sure AI is actually being worked on heavily though, unlike some of the other poo poo they claim. It's too useful as a censorship/surveillance tool for the government to ignore.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Fojar38 posted:

Their supercomputers are bullshit face machines at the highest levels and at mid to lower levels are just server clusters that nobody but the Chinese submit to the list

Their AI research is massively exaggerated and, like in most thing, the height of their ability is to follow trends already established in the West

Also, most world leaders in technology DON'T have a dedicated branch of their governments tasked with hacking private companies in other nations so they can figure out how to manufacture consumer goods that are not 30 years behind what is currently available on the market. When you're still hacking steel companies in the US/Canada (in TYOOL 2017) to get the recipe for non-pigshit steel, you're ability to claim to be a world leader/innovator is pretty :laffo:

big time bisexual posted:

So many questions here. How does he reconcile the difference between the word orders in Korean (subject–object–verb) and Chinese (subject–verb–object)? The lack of tones in Korean? Why are verbs not conjugated in Chinese but conjugated according to tense and social hierarchy in Korean? Is Japanese considered a Chinese dialect since it also has loanwords from Chinese?

LOL! You're wondering why a "Trivia-Nong"* isn't able to understand grade-school level logic and reason?

*Chinese men who loudly spout propaganda they have erroneously taken as fact to any foreigner they encounter, and are unable to see that what they are saying is an obvious lie/falsehood, because critical thinking and reasoning skills are literally impossible for them to achieve due to their upbringing and their education (or lack thereof).

CIGNX
May 7, 2006

You can trust me

Devils Affricate posted:

I've seen people mention Baidu's search engine, but there doesn't seem to be anything particularly special about that, other than the fact that it does a decent job of censoring stuff the PRC doesn't want people to see.

When I was in studying in Beijing between 2007 and 2008, I and the rest of the foreign students had never heard of Baidu let alone use it until we discovered you could find tons of pirated stuff through it. It had a function whose sole purpose was to search for direct links to mp3 on the web. It wasn't hidden at all but instead was displayed prominently on the homepage



Baidu's video site (along with Youku and Tudou) also had metric fucktons of pirated Western TV shows and movies. This was still the time when pirated DVDs were the primary source of Western video entertainment, so the idea that we could stream TV shows or movies blew our minds. But back then, Google hadn't been banned yet, so whenever we needed to search for stuff we used Google like we normally would outside of China. When we asked our Chinese teachers and acquaintances, they also admitted to using primarily Google to find things and Baidu to pirate things.

Whenever I read news about how Baidu beat Google in China, it is always portrayed as if Baidu outwitted Google through innovation or better insight. You rarely hear about how Baidu was a giant piracy search engine or that the Chinese government banned Google and essentially gave Baidu a monopoly.

CIGNX fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Nov 4, 2017

big time bisexual
Oct 16, 2002

Cool Party

nickmeister posted:

I brought a few of these points up. They just flew in one ear and out the other. My favorite part was when the Korean-Chinese guy said "identification card" in Mandarin Chinese over and over while claiming to be alternating between Chinese and Korean. "See? They sound the same!" It took me making him repeat about eight times before I finally convinced him he was actually just speak Chinese.

"Oh. Well, I guess they don't sound THAT similar..."

Let's test this out. In Mandarin, ID card is 身份证 (shēnfèn zhèng). Here's the pronunciation by a native speaker. In Korean, ID card is 신분증 (sinbunjeung) and its pronunciation can be listened to here.

I think it would be apparent to most people that the pronunciation between the two are not exactly the same. :psyduck:

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I don't know why so many tech journalists don't realize how often Chinese companies become monopolies here because the competition is literally just banned. Yeah everyone uses WeChat but Kakaotalk is restricted and Line/WhatsApp are blocked. I don't know of any situation where a Chinese tech company has succeeded in a fair and open marketplace. DJI with drones maybe? I don't know enough about the drone market.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


big time bisexual posted:

Let's test this out. In Mandarin, ID card is 身份证 (shēnfèn zhèng). Here's the pronunciation by a native speaker. In Korean, ID card is 신분증 (sinbunjeung) and its pronunciation can be listened to here.

I think it would be apparent to most people that the pronunciation between the two are not exactly the same. :psyduck:

It's pretty dumb. But that is a good example of where the Korean vocab can be useful. Another one coming to mind is factory, in Chinese it's gongchang and Korean is gongjang. It's not the same but it's close enough to see they're originally the same word and helps me remember the Chinese one.

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bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Devils Affricate posted:

I keep seeing people spout off about China's AI capabilities as if it's a forgone conclusion that they have made amazing progress in that field, but I haven't seen a single significant accomplishment from them. I know the PRC has made several announcements about how China is going to be an AI superstar by 2020 2030, but so far that's just talk. Meanwhile, AlphaGo is kicking the asses of the best players in the world and nobody really seems to care that much (aside from go players, they care a lot).

Their supercomputing capabilities are one thing. Sure, you could argue that their supercomputers are highly specialized just to achieve impressive scores on certain tests, but being able to design a strongly specialized system is often a good thing. Not really when it comes to tests themselves, but if they can port this approach to something practical, it would be a useful endeavor. When it comes to AI, though, they really seem to have nothing to show for it. I've seen people mention Baidu's search engine, but there doesn't seem to be anything particularly special about that, other than the fact that it does a decent job of censoring stuff the PRC doesn't want people to see.

lots of ethnic chinese have fundamental contributions. they're nearly all immigrants to the usa or other western countries or from Good China. case in point: kaimeng he, who invented the resnet. he's from hong kong, I think (or he did PHD in hong kong, I don't remember). ng, who was a big muckety muck in graphical models land and then suddenly switched to being a big muckety muck in neural net land with a lot of the ufldl stuff, was born in london

i touched ai poo poo for a living before i moved to a place in computer touching land where i could do things and see the results of them in less than 25 hours. lots of contributions from people who have chinese blood, sure.

bob dobbs is dead fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Nov 4, 2017

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