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My Scandinavia run was going quite well, until suddenly my troops got crap morale overnight in the late 1700s. I have Offensive, Quantity and Quality ideas, Tradition usually around the high 60s, good discipline and absolutism. Did they implement anything? I saw that pretty much all of my enemies suddenly got a "being drilled" morale more of +15%, which I don't have. Is it something from Mandate of Heaven?
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Groogy posted:Tell me more All paradox games should legit allow you to click a little paintbrush icon in the diplomacy tab and at least change the color of your nation, or ideally any AI nation at any time, so that when your identical colored nations butt up against one another you can fix things.
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Sephyr posted:My Scandinavia run was going quite well, until suddenly my troops got crap morale overnight in the late 1700s. I have Offensive, Quantity and Quality ideas, Tradition usually around the high 60s, good discipline and absolutism. Did they implement anything? I saw that pretty much all of my enemies suddenly got a "being drilled" morale more of +15%, which I don't have. Is it something from Mandate of Heaven? It means they took the Defensive idea Military Drill.
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Sephyr posted:My Scandinavia run was going quite well, until suddenly my troops got crap morale overnight in the late 1700s. I have Offensive, Quantity and Quality ideas, Tradition usually around the high 60s, good discipline and absolutism. Did they implement anything? I saw that pretty much all of my enemies suddenly got a "being drilled" morale more of +15%, which I don't have. Is it something from Mandate of Heaven? They have defensive ideas which give a morale bonus where you do not have any from your idea groups. They may also have gotten the event which gives them even more morale on top of that. If your enemy is France, they get an even bigger morale bonus from their National Ideas. You should, however, still be beating them pretty handily in discipline, which might let you stick it out for a win anyway since you deal a ton more damage. They may win the battle, but it's not really winning if they take twice as many casualties as you did. Also, if you're going for that build don't be afraid to make a tactical retreat once your front lines break to really drive home the Pyrrhic Victory. They can stay in the fight longer, that's just all the more time for them to die 
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France is my ally, but a really crappy one as they are always broke dealing with revolts in the massive colonial empire and also currently dealing with some 300k revolutionaries. I'm mostly dealing with the Netherlands and austria. I can fight Ottomans off easy enough, but every time I engage Austrians or the dutch the fight already starts with my morale half empty. I keep my military slider at 100% all the time, and all forts manned. Guess I should have gone for defensive instead of Quality....
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Sephyr posted:France is my ally, but a really crappy one as they are always broke dealing with revolts in the massive colonial empire and also currently dealing with some 300k revolutionaries. Quality is good, you should have gone Defensive instead of Quantity, which is not a very good idea group unless you really need more troops to get off the ground, or are doing a WC or something where manpower is going to be a serious limiting factor. You start with the bar half filled because it takes it as a fraction of your enemies' maximum morale. Also see if you can get a morale adviser, that might even things out at least a little bit.
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Quality is good if you're going hard for discipline. Having high morale ends battles faster, while having high discipline lets you inflict higher casualties. The rule of thumb is that morale wins battles, but discipline can win wars. Of course you always have to be careful because having too low morale compared to your enemy puts you at risk of being stack wiped.
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Sephyr posted:I'm mostly dealing with the Netherlands and austria. I can fight Ottomans off easy enough, but every time I engage Austrians or the dutch the fight already starts with my morale half empty. I keep my military slider at 100% all the time, and all forts manned. Guess I should have gone for defensive instead of Quality....
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:This goes hand-in-hand with the previously mentioned "They have Defensive and you dont" - these are random numbers, but will explain what you are seeing: If your max morale is 40% and theirs is 70% (15% from Military Drill idea in defensive + 15% from other misc factors like advisors or events), the bar you see at the start of the battle is relative to theirs, so your morale is at its maximum (40%) but only fills the bar up to just over half because it is relative to the 70% that your opponent's army has. To more properly explain things, you get flat morale from your military tech, and percentage boni.(all the boni are added up, not multiplicative) If your morale is what's losing you battles, the logical thing to do is grab some more of it. In this case that's probably grabbing defensive ideas or running the religious-quantity/quality policies. Edit: Now I think about it, if you really have to axe an idea group, I recommend you ditch quantity and get offensive instead. Get economic, religious and innovative ideas, and get your morale from policies and go max discipline combat ability and amazing generals. Dance Officer fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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*bonades
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Fister Roboto posted:*bonades *bonbons
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octopi octopus is Greek so it's technically octopodes but actual ocean scientists just say octopus/octopuses
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Sephyr posted:My Scandinavia run was going quite well, until suddenly my troops got crap morale overnight in the late 1700s. I have Offensive, Quantity and Quality ideas, Tradition usually around the high 60s, good discipline and absolutism. Did they implement anything? I saw that pretty much all of my enemies suddenly got a "being drilled" morale more of +15%, which I don't have. Is it something from Mandate of Heaven? Are you reinforcing from neighboring provinces as troops start to break? With Quantity especially you want to pile on troops to make up for the morale deficit. Can you get army morale from other sources? Defender of the Faith, Religious/Quantity, etc.?
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Fister Roboto posted:*bonades Bonadiums
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Pellisworth posted:octopi octopussy
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quantity is also good for cheaper units, which can greatly help a small nation, sometimes more than the manpower/force limit. +15% morale from anywhere is obviously a boon but morale is more important early game, where you should be spending mil points on tech instead overall i think i would say plutocratic if possible offensive quality/quantity depending on the situation defensive not that any of them are bad oddium fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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Groogy posted:Hey if Multiplayer, Twitch and Devs being super cringy is your thing maybe this is of interest... That's a sweet shirt Groogy.
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Fister Roboto posted:I just did a quick game as Portugal to test out the strategy. Here's me in 1450, after my first war with Morocco: I tried a couple starts as Portugal, but Tunis, Granada and Morocco form an instant alliance web while Castile always tries to attack Aragon way too soon and end up getting in debt and wasting their manpower (so much that they don't even attack Granada once the truce is over...) How do you get at Morocco if you can't call in any allies? Tlemcen won't ally me right off the bat, and while I improve relations or whatever they'll raid my coasts preventing me from allying them 
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TorakFade posted:How do you get at Morocco if you can't call in any allies? Tlemcen won't ally me right off the bat, and while I improve relations or whatever they'll raid my coasts preventing me from allying them Send one of your heavy ships to hunt privateers in Sevilla. That will prevent them (or anyone else) from raiding your coasts. Improve relations should get you an alliance with Tlemcen long before your regency ends. If you can't get any allies, you can try wearing them down on your fort in Ceuta. Take Melilla while they try to siege the fort and then keep attacking them in Ceuta until they run out of manpower. Not ideal, which is why you want Tlemcen for the heavy lifting. Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Nov 2, 2017 |
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I dislike quantity because I want to minimize the number of times that I have to split army stacks and trickle bodies into a battle; I want space marines, not the imperial guard
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You could also pick quantity as France/prussia/sweden/etc and have a space marine army the size and cost of imperial guard.
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For me just getting big and rich is a better option than picking quantity.
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Dance Officer posted:You could also pick quantity as France/prussia/sweden/etc and have a space marine army the size and cost of imperial guard. Yeah but then you'd just have Ultramarine tier Space Marines. I'd rather have Space Wolves. ----- I didn't believe people when they said WCs are hard work. Ye gods, so much going on.
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The dlc usually goes on sale when a new dlc is released, right? I have everything except Mandate of Heaven (how essential is it?) and I'm itching for some EU4 rn.
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It slows down gameplay in Asia dramatically (especially if you're coming from the outside), and adds a new bar to fill up for bonuses, ranging from neglible to pretty good (the country specific bonuses especially). I wouldn't buy it unless you really, really want an extra button to click once every 20-30 years, and certainly not for full price.
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Don't get MoH. To put slightly more detail onto that; it introduced some new mechanics which make playing in most of Asia a lot less interesting (as well as being incredibly exploitable by the player) and Paradox have so far not indicated that they consider it to be something in need of fixing. If you never play on any part of the map east of Persia and don't mind paying for a DLC which only adds a few minor but fun mechanics and one incredibly good UI improvement (the diplo macro viewer) then go for it.
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Oh yeah, they lumped the diplo thing in there, didn't they? I don't think I can go back to play without it, but drat, if it doesn't have some serious baggage with it.
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QuarkJets posted:the diplo thing and ages are both really good I mean I got MoH on release without waiting for a sale purely because of the diplo viewer, but at the time I was working on the assumption that at worst the EoC / mandate system would be uninteresting, rather than actively removing gameplay options from anyone within a 3000 mile radius of Beijing Ages are OK, at least the Ages UI is quite clean and doesn't have any awful fiddly elements.
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Mandate of Heaven adds a ton if you're in East Asia, it only breaks things if you're on the periphery of the tributary system which is normally around India and the Kazakh steppe, since if you're within the tributary system yourself then you can work with it. Still if you don't wanna play in East Asia then it's nothing huge, and I doubt it'll have an especially significant sale yet so it's probably worth holding off on. The diplo macro builder especially is really good though yeah
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Reman's new video proposes a fun idea for a run in Europe: How to Crush the Protestant Reformation. Might give it a go myself.
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Speaking of which, is there any way I can coax the AI into starting the Protestant League war? We have the top four great powers on our side and the HRE is mostly Protestant at this point but Bohemia isn't going for it.
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So I am getting very frustrated with EUIV. Keep trying to play as Castile, yet every time I play I run into some sort of game-ending scenario. Here's a few. Inherit Burgundy, HRE wants all my provinces, kills me. Ally with England; England declares war on France, France+Aragon+Papal States all invade and try to take all my provinces while England does poo poo. Get the personal union with Aragon, then luck into a PU with France. France is still recovering from a devastating war, only has 20k soldiers, I have 37k, yet France is given a 200x more powerful rating than me so it wants liberty non-stop, England supports their bid, and I get hosed over. Also, civil wars galore. Become defender of the Faith, only for Bohemia to go Protestant, attack a Catholic minor, and when I march my troops up there, they massacre all 50k with only 30-40k, then march into my land and take everything. I don't get it. I know how to make money, but it seems the AI gets all its manpower back immediately, doesn't have to pay for army upkeep (because it is always 100%, since when they start a war, they are immediately at 100% morale, while I am at 10%, and have to run away while they try to kill my forces). Is EUIV this unforgiving to the average player? As Castile should I just kill Granada, hope for the PU with Aragon, and keep my head out of Europe until I get big-rear end American Empire, and not make alliances? Looking for advice, I want to like EUIV, because I enjoy Paradox games, but compared to EUIII it seems like one wrong move and you have to start over, because good luck trying to recover as everyone dogpiles you because "gently caress you that's why".
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Sounds like you had some unlucky runs. EUIV is kind of unforgiving though it does offer avenues to recover from failure. Revanchism is one such way; this is also why your enemies seem to gain manpower back much faster than you. The worse they make out in a peace offer, the more war exhaustion they lose immediately and the greater temporary bonuses they have. This is also why sometimes white-peacing when you're winning can be a good idea; the high exhaustion and low manpower will result in revolts that they often can't fight. Oh, and they don't pay upkeep for forts. Pretty sure they have to pay upkeep for units though. You shouldn't wait to take on France. Build whatever alliances you need, promise land if you have to--what's important is crushing France because their national ideas are too good. As soon as you have the alliances, you've taken Grenada and Navarre and you've got the PU, attack. If you're having trouble, I advise not playing Iron Man and making a lot of saves until you're confident enough to do Iron Man. Or do Iron Man and just make the multiple saves the hard way, by copying them into another folder for safekeeping.
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Your territory getting occupied /=/ you losing your land. They occupy it until the war ends. Unless you are a co-belligerent it is twice as expensive for your allies's enemies to take your land when you joined the war in support of your ally (when you are not the wartarget). This means you are unlikely to lose land, or at least unlikely to lose a lot. France is turbo powerful so them revolting when under a PU should not come as a surprise, especially if you also had Aragon in a PU because all of your junior partners look at the total strength of subjects when calculating their liberty desire, I believe.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:Ally with England; England declares war on France, France+Aragon+Papal States all invade and try to take all my provinces while England does poo poo. Never Ally Perfidious Albion.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:So I am getting very frustrated with EUIV. quote:
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:Get the personal union with Aragon, then luck into a PU with France. France is still recovering from a devastating war, only has 20k soldiers, I have 37k, yet France is given a 200x more powerful rating than me so it wants liberty non-stop, England supports their bid, and I get hosed over. Also, civil wars galore. Having Aragon and France as subjects at the same time is going to be rough, because their liberty desire is based on the total power of all your vassals and union partners. I'd honestly be surprised if you could handle just France. p.s. post ur map
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