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Motto posted:Was the dem fallout, finger pointing, and bus-throwing this bad back after 2000? There's always gonna be blame and frustration, but I kinda expected the party orgs to be more prepared for dealing with the possibility of losing. Weak leadership is what causes this.
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Motto posted:Was the dem fallout, finger pointing, and bus-throwing this bad back after 2000? There's always gonna be blame and frustration, but I kinda expected the party orgs to be more prepared for dealing with the possibility of losing. If you want some historical perspective from 2004 you can read this book in which the author (allegedly - I haven't read it) writes at length about how she was alone at the campaign, her strategic advice was ignored and blames many other for the candidate's ultimate loss.
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Nov 4, 2017 21:13
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Motto posted:Was the dem fallout, finger pointing, and bus-throwing this bad back after 2000? There's always gonna be blame and frustration, but I kinda expected the party orgs to be more prepared for dealing with the possibility of losing. In 2000 Dems didn't lose to the most unpopular candidate in history, who is also the world's dumbest man and also has dementia, by doing stupid poo poo like not campaigning in the rust belt, after lightly rigging a primary against a more progressive candidate, after losing control of almost all state houses and losing a majority in congress. The Democrats deserve to have fingers pointed at them. Anyone who looks at that party and decides things are fine is a colossal moron and/or is being disingenuous. It was the Democrats game to lose and they lost because they're stupid and just love handing their money to dumb consultancies who give horrible advice. There is finger pointing because people are angry with the DNC and the liberals who are pretending to be bewildered at why anyone might be unhappy with them. Huzanko fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Nov 4, 2017 |
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Nov 4, 2017 21:15
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Motto posted:Was the dem fallout, finger pointing, and bus-throwing this bad back after 2000? There's always gonna be blame and frustration, but I kinda expected the party orgs to be more prepared for dealing with the possibility of losing. This isnt a typical loss. Their candidate lost to a complete retard who honestly didn't expect to win, and whose campaign spent half as much money.
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Nov 4, 2017 21:30
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bird food bathtub posted:Or you started life on the poo poo end of the capitalist hellscape that is this country and have no possibility of a steady paying job with food, housing and medical care included that also happens to give you a full scholarship when you get out. There are plenty of people born into poverty who don't turn to murder in order to try and gain some security in their lives. "I was born poor, that's why I turned to industrialized murder" is a piss poor excuse. I get that people gotta do what they gotta do but I don't see why they should get anything other than scorn for the life choices they've made.
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Nov 4, 2017 21:31
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VitalSigns posted:This whole "you can't disagree with a *~veteran*~ it disrespects their service, how dare you" bullshit is one of the more grating things about being a veteran and having to put up with people hiding behind their service or worse the service of others to justify their poo poo opinions. Holy poo poo, this, so much. Beyond the whole treating military servicemen as some soviet First Citizen overclass (not a real on, of course, just bragging rights over the civilians while the rich steal the country bare) being dumb, has it EVER worked out to the benefit of any liberal/leftist? The lines are dawn at this point, and have been since what, 1967? Has there ever been -any- benefit to playing this game? Liberals have been bending over rhetorically before every dope that served, actually believe in offering decent VA care, threw Bin Laden into a watery grave and ran military Yawnbot John Kerry against a draft doger. They're still bleeding heart traitor commies that spit on veterans to the lion's share of military. The current GOP head and president openly mocked a PoW, sent 5K soldiers into early graves and many times that number into injury and crippled lives for nothing, doesn't hesitate to poo poo on any soldier of their family, gold start or not, the moment they stop doing Heil salutes, and they are still the patriots who love the troops. I mean, actual veterans lined up to sell out Kerry, one of their own, for the benefit of these shitbirds that screwed them over in Vietnam and then again now. I know it's not all of them, but it's such a big majority it makes no matter. I don't think there are benefits to calling out vets over crap opinions, but honestly? There are no downsides either. Anyone who cared has already been turned by some factoid or another. If people will froth at Obama doing a salute while holing a latte cup, this is not a fight that can be won. It's like trying to convice a crazy person by playing into their delusion: works in movies and nothing else. "Here, Chuck. I know the fairies tell you to set the place on fire. But rhe fairies talk to me, too! they told me that they want you to put on this nice coat, that the long sleeves make you look dignified. There, good boy1"
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In 2000 the narrative was that Gore lost because he had run away from Clinton, so there was little in terms of challenge to the Democratic establishment. Right now, the establishment lost, and lost big, after a campaign that was centered on electability. As such, it is unsurprising that there's more of an internal struggle.
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Nov 4, 2017 21:34
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https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59f7cabbe4b04494283378fd Article about Dems needing to move left, including polling data for the centrists who don’t believe we need to move left.
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Nov 4, 2017 21:39
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joepinetree posted:In 2000 the narrative was that Gore lost because he had run away from Clinton, so there was little in terms of challenge to the Democratic establishment. Right now, the establishment lost, and lost big, after a campaign that was centered on electability. As such, it is unsurprising that there's more of an internal struggle. Also Obama left the Democratic establishment in organizational ruins compared to 2000.
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Nov 4, 2017 21:42
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InnercityGriot posted:https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59f7cabbe4b04494283378fd Thanks for sharing this.
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joepinetree posted:In 2000 the narrative was that Gore lost because he had run away from Clinton, so there was little in terms of challenge to the Democratic establishment. Right now, the establishment lost, and lost big, after a campaign that was centered on electability. As such, it is unsurprising that there's more of an internal struggle. Running away from Clinton and also minimizing the aspects that made Gore unique/desirable. Especially the environment. Running away from Clinton while simultaneously running on Clinton's legacy and nothing else was a real loving bad idea.
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Nov 4, 2017 21:50
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RuanGacho posted:The only counter outside of regulatory action is non profit ISPs and it is likely they will try to ban those from existing.
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Nov 4, 2017 21:54
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RuanGacho posted:The only counter outside of regulatory action is non profit ISPs and it is likely they will try to ban those from existing. likely nothing they've written and paid for legislation in multiple states to curb municipal broadband
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Nov 4, 2017 21:55
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Guys, if we call every day and make it a stink for our representatives, it can stop the vote from happening. Just as a reminder.
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Nov 4, 2017 21:57
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Shbobdb posted:There are plenty of people born into poverty who don't turn to murder in order to try and gain some security in their lives.
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Nov 4, 2017 22:28
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Endorph posted:Because they have no involvement in creating the imbalances or industrializing the murder, and it's the only reasonable road out of abject poverty for them and their families. Hating individual soldiers for doing nothing but being soldiers solves literally nothing. We don't have a draft. They chose to be murderers for hire, something plenty of other poor people don't do.
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Sorry they don't just rot in a manner that pleases you while the rest of society shits on them for being "lazy".
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Nov 4, 2017 22:50
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Shbobdb posted:We don't have a draft. They chose to be murderers for hire, something plenty of other poor people don't do. Motto posted:Sorry they don't just rot in a manner that pleases you while the rest of society shits on them for being "lazy". Soldiers are, mostly, a bad thing. The us military industrial complex is one-hundred percent a bad thing. However, individual soldiers bear almost literally no responsibility for propping it up, and already have mental and physical scars that almost never get treated properly, and are chewed up and spat out by an uncaring system. I mean, there's No Ethical Consumption Under Capitalism, but you don't call people child slavers for buying Nike's.
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Endorph posted:but you don't call people child slavers for buying Nike's. you should
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Sephyr posted:Holy poo poo, this, so much. Yeah, ok. Shbobdb posted:We don't have a draft. They chose to be murderers for hire, something plenty of other poor people don't do.
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SimonCat posted:Yeah, ok. shbobd is a troll. regardless of what they post, assume it's not in good faith. or put them on ignore, that works too.
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axeil posted:Another great day of canvassing in NoVA. According to what one of the organizers told me we had at least 230 people knocking on doors today, which would beat the record set by the Obama campaign in 08. It was really wonderful to be out there talking to voters. I think I actually got someone to vote who wouldn't have otherwise. He said he worked on Tuesday and wasn't sure if he could make it so I told him he could still early vote today till 5 pm and he got all excited, grabbed his stuff and said he was going to try. 250+. We legit lost count at one point. Justin Fairfax is loving legit.
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:Bergdahl was not a Staff Sergeant, he was a Private First Class and was promoted while in captivity multiple times. Calling Bowe Bergdahl a deserter isn't accurate in my opinion, because it fails to capture the... weirdness of Bergdahl and what happened. few pages old, but thanks for this, my goon.
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what the hell is a body woman someone paid to act as a fake standin for the real DNC chairwoman? Someone who takes care of grooming their body? Someone who writes up an essay for the DNC chair after they write the header?
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Neurolimal posted:what the hell is a body woman https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_man
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Neurolimal posted:what the hell is a body woman It's a personal aide, that's all, but one that's by your side basically all the time. Presidents all have one.
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Nov 5, 2017 01:08
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So, just a weird term for "a politician's personal assistant", alright.
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Neurolimal posted:So, just a weird term for "a politician's personal assistant", alright. But specifically not their scheduler, secretary or office assistant.
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Nov 5, 2017 01:10
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In this context it probably means "overpaid spiced latte retriever."
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Nov 5, 2017 01:13
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It's Gary from Veep.
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Ogmius815 posted:It's Gary from Veep. Or Charley Young from The West Wing
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InnercityGriot posted:https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59f7cabbe4b04494283378fd From the same poll. code:code:
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Jefferson clay perhpase the term is meaningless left right. As i said before and you cowardly chose not to refute.
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Crowsbeak posted:Jefferson clay perhpase the term is meaningless left right. As i said before and you cowardly chose not to refute. I will admit I am too afraid to try and parse your posts, it's true. Like the article was premised on this question, "Do you support or oppose movements within the Democratic Party to take it even further to the left and oppose the current Democratic leaders?" I guess we can't derive any insight there because the term left is meaningless. JeffersonClay fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Nov 5, 2017 |
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SimonCat posted:You pulled it out first though. No I brought it up in response to chilichimp telling people their beliefs are an attack on veterans, so I spoke up to say I am a veteran who shares those beliefs and they are not anti-veteran (just anti-shitbird) Go away you're being real dumb and tedious. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Nov 5, 2017 |
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Nov 5, 2017 01:40
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JeffersonClay posted:From the same poll. I love how whenever you post a study, it's gospel truth, but when other people post one, it actually means the opposite of what they're claiming. Even when people poke holes in your studies. Funny, that. Oh wait, you have a loving broken view of reality, that explains it!
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JeffersonClay posted:I will admit I am too afraid to try and parse your posts, it's true. Its preety simple. Most people have no real concept on what liberal, right, conservative, or left means. Mostly I would argue due to culture war bs. But in those polls the specific questions showed they want the party to be less pro wallstreet. Which you obviously as a sociopath are ignoring.
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It's probably true that people in the Democratic Party, a famously broad party currently comprising basically all non-insane political actors in the United States, have complicated feelings about the necessity for leftward movement. Some may even think it's the right thing to do even if it hurts the party in elections!
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