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Valatar phrased himself in the most obtuse way possible but it is absolutely true that there are abusers who use abuse accusations as a means to harm and defame their targets. That said, it's generally pretty simple to spot when it's the product of a group of trolls and also vanishingly rare compared to all those times when something has actually happened. "Believe but verify" is the mantra in all but the most toxic of nominally SJ-positive spaces.
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Subjunctive posted:Does verification require a real person to appear in front of an RPGnet mod, or is it mere internet conversation? I don't know what conversations took place among the mods. I think they should have banned him right away too but I understand why they weren't as quick to respond as they should have been.
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# ? Oct 28, 2017 18:22 |
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I feel like it got understandably overlooked in the storm of posts happening at the time the accusation was made, but I recall seeing a post in the RPGnet thread from (former?) Mummy developer C. A. Suleiman, who said he had first-hand reason to believe the allegations. (Yep, I just went back and checked -- post #396.) Considering the potential career impact of speaking out against a colleague or former colleague like that, I am inclined to give it a great deal of credence. So the 'it's just a stranger on the internet making an accusation' argument, regardless of its validity or lack thereof, doesn't even really apply here. We literally have people who have worked with McFarland backing its credibility.
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# ? Oct 28, 2017 18:59 |
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Plutonis posted:There's indeed people who would love to use abuse as a cudgel dude Way to quote only part of my post. No obfuscation there. I don't see the same accusations that are being levied against, specifically, the man accused of raping a 16 year old by what appears to be the victim. I see a completely unrelated blue check dipshit listing a bunch of publications he dislikes and linking to his own website, a site that I am not clicking. You would have tp be obtuse to see these as the same thing. I believe victims, full stop. And honestly, why would you follow / not block that dipshit?
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# ? Oct 28, 2017 19:06 |
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I don't have a twitter account
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# ? Oct 28, 2017 19:23 |
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Plutonis posted:I don't have a twitter account A wise choice.
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# ? Oct 28, 2017 19:30 |
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Gerund posted:Way to quote only part of my post. No obfuscation there. If you don't read Cernovich, how will you learn that Gorilla Mindset that teaches you women are trying to steal your precious semen, and STDs can be avoided with nothing but coconut oil and tea tree oil?
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# ? Oct 28, 2017 19:33 |
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Also that hotel floors are a great place to take a dump
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Jimbozig posted:Yeah, the time to worry about whether a claim may be false is when the accused actually denies it. When the accused just steps down and goes silent or admits it, there is no need for that poo poo at all. Bill Webb sort of, kind of, via a bullshit coverup apology admitted what he did, and there are still people trying to deny it and playing the 'but what did he really do' and the 'but he was drunk' and 'i'm sure he just flirted with someone' cards. There's evidence of Mentzer being a creepy harassing dickhead, and having lovely views on abuse victims, and both (some) old school TSR people and a gently caress ton of gamergaters and alt-righters with confederate flags and 'don't step on me' rushed to his defence and turned it immediately into 'she was trying to sabotage his kickstarter) which was a steaming pile of poo poo, and she's already hated by gamergate so of course they piled in. gently caress, even women who actually get through the whole process of court case and appeal and supreme court appeal (recent canada case i'm thinking of) still get accused of lying and harassed for it.
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# ? Oct 28, 2017 20:38 |
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Maxwell Lord posted:Also that hotel floors are a great place to take a dump You can learn that by reading nChanging Breeds, a book written by Phil Brucato, literal crazyman.
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# ? Oct 28, 2017 20:40 |
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Hypothetical question about how the OGL works: Does this mean you can use stuff from the SRD in a completely different system? Like, you can have an Owlbear (who is an Arcane Archer) cast Prismatic Spray on a Blink Dog (who is a Shadowdancer) wielding a Holy Avenger?
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# ? Oct 29, 2017 03:50 |
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Halloween Jack posted:Hypothetical question about how the OGL works: Does this mean you can use stuff from the SRD in a completely different system? Like, you can have an Owlbear (who is an Arcane Archer) cast Prismatic Spray on a Blink Dog (who is a Shadowdancer) wielding a Holy Avenger? I'm not sure what you mean? The OGL technically doesn't even mention the d20 system, if you're wondering. It can be applied to any game. The d20 system uses the OGL, but not vice versa. You could make your own game that's OGL, but not d20. Technically I don't see why you couldn't have d20 OGL material adapted to another system using the OGL as your license, but the main issue with that is that you'd then have to theoretically apply the OGL to the game / supplement / whatever that you're making. Not sure that's been done. And if you're not making a d20 game, there aren't a lot of compelling reasons to do so, since you'd be opening up whatever rules content you have to the OGL, which isn't in your best interest unless you just want to provide the content freely (and frankly, that's probably better as a Creative Commons license, IMO). It'd generally just be easier to rename / rebrand whatever you want to borrow from D&D if it's distinctive enough to worry about legally. And applying the OGL would get complicated if you're working with any sort of system you don't own. Of course, you can mix up various d20 OGL games however you like using it. (This is not legal advice, take my word with a grain of salt as just somebody who's actually bothered to read the varying legalese on the OGL license in the back of d20 books - different companies had different takes and you'd have to pay attention to that, too.)
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Alien Rope Burn posted:It'd generally just be easier to rename / rebrand whatever you want to borrow from D&D if it's distinctive enough to worry about legally.
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Plutonis posted:There's indeed people who would love to use abuse as a cudgel dude mike cernovich is a loving moron and nobody believes him who isn't also a moron man has made a living off telling other men how to be Alpha and In Control and yet used to make a living off alimony payments from his ex (and still does i think)
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# ? Oct 30, 2017 05:01 |
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surely the man who chugs gorilla cum and thinks breathing exercises will let him explore the cosmos is a trusted source
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# ? Oct 30, 2017 10:59 |
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Kurieg posted:You can learn that by reading nChanging Breeds, a book written by Phil Brucato, literal crazyman. Phil Brucato may be a literal crazyman but he bought my short story for the Mage anniversary fiction collection book thingy so he's okay in my book.
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# ? Oct 30, 2017 15:50 |
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The point I was making wasn't that he was trustworthy, but that guys like him might start to slander people with abuse accusations!!!
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# ? Oct 30, 2017 15:56 |
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Plutonis posted:The point I was making wasn't that he was trustworthy, but that guys like him might start to slander people with abuse accusations!!! Again, you should believe victims AND not worry about what guys jacked up on gorilla semen are saying. Its actually really god drat easy.
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# ? Oct 30, 2017 16:08 |
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Gerund posted:Again, you should believe victims AND not worry about what guys jacked up on gorilla semen are saying.
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# ? Oct 30, 2017 16:36 |
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Hey, who wants to go to a gaming convention in Texas!?quote:Ok, I am making this post so everyone knows who is "allowed" to come to the Con. quote:Even though I made the statement on my forms that I would not make any more posts about this, I will take the time to post here. (I don't even know if I have ever posted here, except maybe to promote the Con once or twice in the past, didn't even remember I had an account until I searched all my email history.). I feel safer already. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Nov 5, 2017 |
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quote:"I have asked people to leave the Con when I find them debating politics and/or religion at the gaming table. (so what do you think I'd do if I observed any sexual harassment ?)"
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# ? Nov 5, 2017 19:39 |
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'Sup, geek social fallacies?
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# ? Nov 5, 2017 19:43 |
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Despite having "sexual orientation: gamer" in there, the worst part is still the bit where he says the con would be less fun if there wasn't a risk of people carrying dangerous poo poo around the halls.
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# ? Nov 5, 2017 20:22 |
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Things I have: A gun on me at all times. A con. Things I don't have: a smart phone, an understanding of who the vice president is.
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Golden Bee posted:Things I have: A gun on me at all times. A con.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Other things I don't have: a basic idea of other people's worries having value. The understanding that I shouldn't doxx people. A basic understanding of social dynamics. tl;dr a brain
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Golden Bee posted:Things I have: A gun on me at all times. A con. This is insane
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# ? Nov 5, 2017 21:11 |
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senrath posted:I think you'd do absolutely nothing. Thank goodness that this one person is capable of watching hundreds of people at once because I can guarantee that they would do even less than nothing if allegations were merely reported to them instead of being directly observed. Likely they'd throw out the person making the allegations.
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# ? Nov 5, 2017 21:36 |
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That Old Tree posted:It's good you want to air out a problem. I have no clue about whether sexual harassment is a problem at gaming conventions, but it hasn't and won't be at our convention. Well this fills me with complete confidence in our Department of Defense.
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# ? Nov 5, 2017 22:04 |
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DalaranJ posted:Likely they'd throw out the person making the allegations. Almost certainly. Every dumb line in that screed is a setup for him to say "This convention's for GAMING not criminal complaining!" as he ejects victims.
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# ? Nov 5, 2017 22:13 |
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Who wants to bet that if a Special Guest or whatever was accused of theft instead of sexual harassment they'd be banned immediately?
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# ? Nov 5, 2017 22:18 |
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Corrode posted:Who wants to bet that if a Special Guest or whatever was accused of theft instead of sexual harassment they'd be banned immediately? "I'm sorry, it says here your gender is GAMER, not 'owner of things', therefore you can't be stolen from, get out."
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# ? Nov 5, 2017 22:30 |
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How come all of these assholes feel they need 50,000 words to show how much a tool they are.
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# ? Nov 5, 2017 23:19 |
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I like how edgy assholes feel like they're being progressive and accommodating by telling people they don't give a gently caress about who someone is but heavily implies that if your identity crosses a line, you're gone. This man is the nerd social fallacy made flesh too. "Frank and Bill are gamers. Unless I see it, it doesn't exist and they're free to play in OUR safe space, the GAMER space."
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# ? Nov 6, 2017 01:08 |
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We were talking about this in one of the Tradgames-adjacent chats, and it really does remind me of Breendoggle. For those who don't know, Walter Breen was the husband of Marion Zimmer Bradley. He was also a pedophile (so was she, but he was known to be a pedophile). There was a huge argument in science fiction fandom over whether or not it was okay to keep him out of conventions where kids would be present. It would, y'know, be wrong to just exclude someone.
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# ? Nov 6, 2017 01:20 |
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why would you advertise carrying a gun at a loving rpg convention lmao
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# ? Nov 6, 2017 01:24 |
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alg posted:why would you advertise carrying a gun at a loving rpg convention lmao Texas.
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# ? Nov 6, 2017 01:25 |
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This is absolutely the best time to advertise your con with "Also we got lots of guns!" in Texas.
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/927323905848696833
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My favorite parts of the whole thing, hands down arequote:As long as everyone keeps everything about gaming, things are fine. If I hear of or observe anything non-gaming related, the person's time at the Con is ended until the next Con. this, for one. If you decide to grab some underage asses we'll kick you out, but feel free to stop on by next year it's cool no judgement we're all gamers here bro better luck next time and quote:Basically it's like telling me anyone having done anything in the past that I, or you or others don't like or don't agree with must not be allowed at the Con. That being the case, then no one at all would be invited since if I was privy to everyone's past, I am sure I can find some thing that someone in attendance doesn't agree with or like. This isn't about polite disagreements god dammit it's about known sexual harassers. Dude's trying to paint it as a political issue when it's a safety issue. People are trying to keep the scumbags out not because well I don't like them or I disagree with their stance on things, people want the scumbags out because they're scumbags. A person's religion or sexuality or who they voted for is a whole different beast than whether or not they're a sexual predator. Whether some creepo should get free reign to victimize real humans isn't something you just throw your hands up and say "agree to disagree" on, that's ridiculous.
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