|
you know what guns should be illegal? these guns right here (flexes)
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:28
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 13:04 |
|
|
Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:north korea isnt a desert Give it a couple months
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:35
|
|
|
In the UK and Australia they have much stricter gun control but you can still buy a hunting rifle which I think is important because hunting is actually a good economical source of food for people in some areas. I think banning semi-autos would make a lot more sense than restricting bullets and calibers so people couldn't even hunt for food anymore.
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:36
|
|
|
as long as powerful weapons can still be owned/used by professional shooting ranges, because thats how chris kyle died, and I am extremely pro chris kyle death lmao
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:37
|
|
|
Ban everything except those old timey cowboy revolvers you have to reload one bullet at a time
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:45
|
|
|
Crane Fist posted:Ban everything except those old timey cowboy revolvers you have to reload one bullet at a time Dammit, that was the Gun that Won the West! AKA the Sidearm of Genocide.
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:46
|
|
|
Blue Train posted:A better way to decrease gun deaths and still allow access to firearms is to limit what calibers are available without special licensing you're aware that a whole lot of prominent mass shootings have actually been committed with .22's, right? including the one with the highest number of fatalities in US history prior to Las Vegas (though he used a 9mm too), and ones in foreign countries with much stricter laws that restricted people to target pistols only (for at least the first few years of gun ownership) MaxxBot posted:In the UK and Australia they have much stricter gun control but you can still buy a hunting rifle which I think is important because hunting is actually a good economical source of food for people in some areas. I think banning semi-autos would make a lot more sense than restricting bullets and calibers so people couldn't even hunt for food anymore. the 2nd Amendment very clearly doesn't exist primarily to protect sport hunting, though it does that too LGD has issued a correction as of 20:56 on Nov 7, 2017 |
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:50
|
|
|
ban all guns except that one revolver where if you open the pip boy in the right part of the reload animation you slide across the map really fast
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:54
|
|
|
Mecha Gojira posted:Dammit, that was the Gun that Won the West! AKA the Sidearm of Genocide. It's an American classic! I declare, sweating heavily, as I drive into the reservation in a pickup full of crates labelled NO AK47s IN HERE
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:55
|
|
|
Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:what calibers do you suggest I think there should be less limitations on firearms but if your aim is to reduce firearm deaths limit civilian handgun calibres to .32 and below, rifles to rimfire only. Licenses required for anything above
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:56
|
|
|
LGD posted:the 2nd Amendment very doesn't exist primarily to protect sport hunting, though it does that too Who gives a poo poo though, the guys who wrote it are all dead and can't argue
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:57
|
|
|
MaxxBot posted:In the UK and Australia they have much stricter gun control but you can still buy a hunting rifle which I think is important because hunting is actually a good economical source of food for people in some areas. I think banning semi-autos would make a lot more sense than restricting bullets and calibers so people couldn't even hunt for food anymore. Require a hunting license in order to in order to obtain a hunting rifle. you already have to get one to hunt anyway. also some hunting rifles are semiautomatic and the ar15 that scares everyone is chambered in a common hunting calibre
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 20:59
|
|
|
Crane Fist posted:Who gives a poo poo though, the guys who wrote it are all dead and can't argue good thing clarence thomas has a personal psychic link with their ghosts then so we can still ask him
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:00
|
|
|
you dont need a semi auto for hunting
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:01
|
|
|
LGD posted:you're aware that a whole lot of prominent mass shootings have actually been committed with .22's, right? Yes, and the body counts are usually lower
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:01
|
|
|
Shear Modulus posted:you dont need a semi auto for hunting Why not
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:02
|
|
|
Shear Modulus posted:you dont need a semi auto for hunting What if I'm hunting the most dangerous game (the chupacabra)
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:06
|
|
|
Crane Fist posted:Who gives a poo poo though, the guys who wrote it are all dead and can't argue a huge chunk of the population, both gun owners and those who give a gently caress about rule of law- a living constitutional approach is fine, but the words and intent of the guarantees need to actually mean something and there is basically no other area of constitutional jurisprudence where advocates of the living constitution/pragmatism/etc. would find their attempts to devalue the 2nd remotely acceptable e: Blue Train posted:Yes, and the body counts are usually lower except for the example I cited where it very much wasn't and all of the times AR's have been used and there were fewer casualties than say Jokela/Kauhajoki I'm not saying rifles are not deadlier (they are), I'm just saying that lower caliber pistols are still quite deadly enough against groups of unarmed people, total casualties have a lot more to do with target selection/response time vs. gun used than people think, and your proposed solution isn't actually going to result in much harm reduction LGD has issued a correction as of 21:22 on Nov 7, 2017 |
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:07
|
|
|
LGD posted:a huge chunk of the population, both gun owners and those who give a gently caress about rule of law- a living constitutional approach is fine, but the words and intent of the guarantees need to actually mean something and there is basically no other area of constitutional jurisprudence where advocates of the living constitution/pragmatism/etc. would find their attempts to devalue the 2nd remotely acceptable the founding fathers broke the poo poo out of america lol
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:11
|
|
|
Crane Fist posted:What if I'm hunting the most dangerous game (the chupacabra) Alls I know about guns I learned from Fallout New Vegas. The Varmint Rifle is chambered in the same round as the M-16, and it's an underpowered piece of poo poo that keeps breaking goddammit *runs up and hits a coyote with a shovel instead*
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:13
|
|
|
Jose posted:the founding fathers broke the poo poo out of america lol really makes u think how the founders are also the destructors 
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:20
|
|
|
Mecha Gojira posted:"Arms" is the term used in the Second Amendment. Which in the 18th century when the poo poo was written meant specifically armaments and weapons for war. So poo poo like body armor and battle flags as well as all manner weapons. After all, you don't "bear arms" against a rabbit. It also strikes me as LARPing ancient Greek Hoplites. Jose posted:the founding fathers broke the poo poo out of america lol  
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:23
|
|
|
please don't insinuate i support the royalty
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:24
|
|
|
The American view of the constitution as basically a religious text is insanely weird but very fascinating.
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:28
|
|
|
https://twitter.com/mekosoff/status/927870966964850688 https://twitter.com/mekosoff/status/927871169591697408
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:30
|
|
|
LGD posted:except for the example I cited where it very much wasn't and all of the times AR's have been used and there were fewer casualties than say Jokela/Kauhajoki when I say .22 I mean .22lr which would eliminate ar15s and .32 and below handgun calibre require proper poo poo placement to a greater extent than larger calibre (even 9mm which is .38 calibre and would therefore be subject to licensing) For example, go here and compare the body counts where a .22 was used, they are around 3 victims with the exception of cho. compare that to 9mm which has an average of around 8 https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0057.htm
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:31
|
|
|
Hedenius posted:The American view of the constitution as basically a religious text is insanely weird but very fascinating. America was founded by a bunch of religious fundamentalist weirdos so not really weird
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:32
|
|
|
Dreddout posted:It also strikes me as LARPing ancient Greek Hoplites. The Founding Fathers had the biggest loving hardon for the classical period. Edit: Not surprising, they were agrarian slave-owners who thought themselves "farmers."
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:38
|
|
|
More Roman than Greek tho
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:41
|
|
|
Blue Train posted:when I say .22 I mean .22lr which would eliminate ar15s and .32 and below handgun calibre require proper poo poo placement to a greater extent than larger calibre (even 9mm which is .38 calibre and would therefore be subject to licensing) all of the instances I cited were .22lr, I'm not trying to playing semantic games with you also there are like 2 instances where the perpetrator used a .22 only, e2: you also aren't really clear on what "licensing" means, just that these guns which have demonstrably been used with effect in mass shootings are somehow no big deal while 9mm's are (explicitly in the context of a maniac with 10 minutes of uninterrupted access to a school full of children to gun down)- fundamentally guns are deadly, and you either trust a possessor or you don't LGD has issued a correction as of 21:50 on Nov 7, 2017 |
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:43
|
|
|
Hedenius posted:The American view of the constitution as basically a religious text is insanely weird but very fascinating. I think it's kind of a protestant thing- the Bible is the ultimate authority. The Bible grants authority to church government, not the other way around. It makes sense that people would view the Constitution kind of the same way. It's not a bad idea, forcing fallible men to be accountable to sacred text. Only problem is the Constitution was still written by men.
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:46
|
|
|
Blue Train posted:More Roman than Greek tho That's true. They hated the concept of Greek Democracy, preferring the Roman Republic model with Patrician control to prevent mob rule. There's a reason you had to be a landowner to vote or hold office, and why the Senate and Presidency weren't originally popularly elected at all. Basically, gently caress the Founding Fathers.
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:46
|
|
|
LGD posted:all of the instances I cited were .22lr, I'm not trying to playing semantic games with you I discount them because they used other weapons as well
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:49
|
|
|
Mecha Gojira posted:Basically, gently caress the Founding Fathers.
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:50
|
|
|
Jose posted:a normal country would have rewritten its constitution but america is insanely loving dumb Why? We like free speech here.
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:51
|
|
|
I mean there's a reason you see people recommend .380 as the smallest defense calibre you can look at ballistic gel tests and see the penetration of a .22 or .25 or .32 and the accompanying wound channel vs larger handgun calibres
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:51
|
|
|
Blue Train posted:I discount them because they used other weapons as well the two I cited by name exclusively used .22lr target pistols with 10 round capacities e: Blue Train posted:I mean there's a reason you see people recommend .380 as the smallest defense calibre you can look at ballistic gel tests and see the penetration of a .22 or .25 or .32 and the accompanying wound channel vs larger handgun calibres yeah no kidding, those are the smallest calibers that will reliably kill/stop someone in one shot, and I'm not disputing they're deadlier, but that's a much bigger deal in a self-defense scenario than when you're indiscriminately gunning defenseless people down, and even if they're unreliable we've got multiple mass shootings and decades of crime statistics that demonstrate .22, .25 and .32 can still kill plenty of people so you're proposing a system that still grants indiscriminate access to demonstrably deadly weapons (that you've decided are not so deadly based on a not-carefully-examined sample size of like 2-3 cases and ignoring the "outliers" that directly contradict this) , but then imposes (unspecified) restrictions that interfere with legitimate use cases I don't think you've thought this all the way through LGD has issued a correction as of 22:01 on Nov 7, 2017 |
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:52
|
|
|
ate poo poo on live tv posted:Why? We like free speech here. Lol
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:53
|
|
|
LGD posted:the two I cited by name exclusively used .22lr target pistols with 10 round capacities Oh I skimmed over that part, yes I am not arguing that they are not lethal but in those instances banning semiautomatics wouldn't have changed anything as .22 revolvers hold ten rounds as well and can be loaded with speedloaders. My point is you have a better chance of surviving when trying shot by a smaller round due to the greater need for poo poo placement not that they are less capable of killing you
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:56
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 13:04 |
|
|
Veshpo posted:I think it's kind of a protestant thing- the Bible is the ultimate authority. The Bible grants authority to church government, not the other way around. It makes sense that people would view the Constitution kind of the same way. It's not a bad idea, forcing fallible men to be accountable to sacred text. Only problem is the Constitution was still written by men. there's a thing going around the right where you take general principles like "we need a rule of law" and "market economies make products efficiently" and turn it into a cultish article of faith remember that article, i think it was in the federalist, where the author said she got private student loans bc she assumed they were cheaper but of course they werent? even a libertarian view of the economy admits that govt subsidized stuff is cheaper for the purchaser, just argues that the cost is hidden and diffused. but no, markets uber alles so now im drowning in debt
|
|
#
?
Nov 7, 2017 21:57
|
|
