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Kilroy posted:Hillary owned slaves you dumb poo poo Every state with prison labor in effect is a co-op ownership of slaves. You live in a state with prison labor, you own slaves. maybe you should (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Kilroy posted:Hillary owned slaves you dumb poo poo yeah if kamala harris' bs on forced prison labor is turning you off her, you should check out what hillary had to say about the prisoners who worked the governor's mansion in arkansas
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Nov 9, 2017 00:05
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Every state with prison labor in effect is a co-op ownership of slaves. You live in a state with prison labor, you own slaves. maybe you should kill yourself you immoral jackass. That's a creative way to absove yourself of all guilt for openly supporting pro-slavery democrats
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Nov 9, 2017 00:06
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Every state with prison labor in effect is a co-op ownership of slaves. You live in a state with prison labor, you own slaves. maybe you should kill yourself you immoral jackass. hillary's husband had the ability to stop having slaves working the governor's mansion and decided not to. the next gov of arkansas did though. i think that makes her quite a bit more culpable than kilroy, especially when she had her own favorite methodology for picking good slaves and waxed eloquent about their lack of emotional intelligence
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Nov 9, 2017 00:07
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Every state with prison labor in effect is a co-op ownership of slaves. You live in a state with prison labor, you own slaves. maybe you should kill yourself you immoral jackass. So do you think you can tolerate yourself in light of this?
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Nov 9, 2017 00:07
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:maybe you should kill yourself Hey, don't loving do this.
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Nov 9, 2017 00:09
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To put this in perspective, Kamila Harris is infinitely better on the issue of prison labor than most republicans. That puts her in the middle of the spectrum of good/bad on the issue. She isn't exactly out there advocating for gulags like some of you guys here, but she also isn't helping improve the situation. This has lead me to not be as keen on her as someone that would be better on this issue. I am not going to comment on Hillary Clinton as it serves no purpose.
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Nov 9, 2017 00:11
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WampaLord posted:Hey, don't loving do this. fixed, sorry for doing that. Cerebral Bore posted:So do you think you can tolerate yourself in light of this? Not for a second. 
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Nov 9, 2017 00:11
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:To put this in perspective, Kamila Harris is infinitely better on the issue of prison labor than most republicans. That puts her in the middle of the spectrum of good/bad on the issue. She isn't exactly out there advocating for gulags like some of you guys here, but she also isn't helping improve the situation. This has lead me to not be as keen on her as someone that would be better on this issue. Didn't you literally say that you wouldn't tolerate anyone who's pro-slavery? So how can she be in the middle if she's already intolerable to you?
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Nov 9, 2017 00:13
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:To put this in perspective, Kamila Harris is infinitely better on the issue of prison labor than most republicans. That puts her in the middle of the spectrum of good/bad on the issue. She isn't exactly out there advocating for gulags like some of you guys here, but she also isn't helping improve the situation. This has lead me to not be as keen on her as someone that would be better on this issue. no, it puts her in the bad of the spectrum cause she actively kept people in prison for their labor heck yes loam this is a republican sheriff p much arguing the same thing as kamala harris. is she still in the middle of the spectrum on this issue for you?https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/918431668658212865/video/1 Condiv fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Nov 9, 2017 00:14
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Cerebral Bore posted:Didn't you literally say that you wouldn't tolerate anyone who's pro-slavery? So how can she be in the middle if she's already intolerable to you? I won't be voting for her re-election if that's what you are asking. My tolerance of her has little impact on her status as a sitting senator, and since i am not a single issue voter I will continue to evaluate her on other issues while keeping this one in mind.
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Nov 9, 2017 00:15
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I won't be voting for her re-election if that's what you are asking. My tolerance of her has little impact on her status as a sitting senator, and since i am not a single issue voter I will continue to evaluate her on other issues while keeping this one in mind. Sounds like your anti-slavery beliefs weren't very serious, then. Kinda disappointing.
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Nov 9, 2017 00:17
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Condiv posted:no, it puts her in the bad of the spectrum cause she actively kept people in prison for their labor heck yes loam Being in the middle of an issue like prison labor should not be interpreted as being "good". Scoring 50% on a test puts you in the middle of possible scores, but it doesn't mean you scored well. It also means there are people out there scoring worse than her that she is indeed better than.
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Nov 9, 2017 00:17
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:I won't be voting for her re-election if that's what you are asking. My tolerance of her has little impact on her status as a sitting senator, and since i am not a single issue voter I will continue to evaluate her on other issues while keeping this one in mind. that's a funny way of saying you will in fact tolerate pro-slavery peeps again, kamala harris' argument is not appreciably different than this republican shitbags' https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/918431668658212865/video/1 but she actually fought against the court ordered release of inmates in court
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Nov 9, 2017 00:18
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Cerebral Bore posted:Sounds like your anti-slavery beliefs weren't very serious, then. Kinda disappointing. Lol, what actions do you want me to take against Kamila Harris that adequately shows i a not tolerating her beyond my vote, and maybe some DSA pushes for a better candidate in her primary?
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Nov 9, 2017 00:19
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Every state with prison labor in effect is a co-op ownership of slaves. You live in a state with prison labor, you own slaves. maybe you should
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Nov 9, 2017 00:21
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Kilroy posted:Yes and there's no ethical consumption under capitalism either, but I gotta eat. Well hey, that's just the way it is Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Nov 9, 2017 00:23
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Funny how I can suggest that collaborating with fascists should get you put in jail for a very long time and the response is that I'm told to kill myself, but as soon as anyone mentions Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris there's no end to the hemming and hawing and cries of "the Republicans are so much worse though".
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Nov 9, 2017 00:24
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Kilroy posted:Funny how I can suggest that collaborating with fascists should get you put in jail for a very long time and the response is that I'm told to kill myself, but as soon as anyone mentions Hillary Clinton or there's no end to the hemming and hawing and cries of "the Republicans are so much worse though". Gulag =/ Jail Although our prison system is closer to gulags than it is a reformation jail system like the netherlands, so you may have a point.
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Nov 9, 2017 00:26
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Tbf, that difference only exists because it's more profitable to keep someone alive and enslaved for as long as humanly possible.
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Nov 9, 2017 00:29
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Good article about the socialist winning in Virginia and the democratic leadership trying to avoid even mentioning it: https://newrepublic.com/article/145727/socialist-beat-one-virginias-powerful-republicans
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Nov 9, 2017 00:34
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Haha I didn't know about Carter getting into politics because of an electrical surge disabling him. He literally was comic origin'd into The Red Delegate
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Nov 9, 2017 00:40
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tekz posted:Good article about the socialist winning in Virginia and the democratic leadership trying to avoid even mentioning it: https://newrepublic.com/article/145727/socialist-beat-one-virginias-powerful-republicans this is a good article and i like lee carter even more than i did before 
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Nov 9, 2017 00:40
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Condiv posted:good thing hillary clinton caused a rift in the dem party for her own political gain right guys? "It's all her fault I can't stop obsessing about her!"
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Nov 9, 2017 00:42
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King of Solomon posted:By the way, it hasn't really been discussed in this thread due to higher profile races, but there was a municipal election for the city of Minneapolis last night. Minneapolis uses ranked choice voting so not all the results are in, but the incumbent mayor has been unseated by Jacob Frey. The second choice option for that race was Raymond Dehn, the Our Revolution endorsed candidate. Ward 3 had a DSA candidate lose in the third round despite a sizeable lead in the first and second rounds. Multiple trans candidates won, including ward 8's Andrea Jenkins, a black transwoman, and ward 4's Phillippe Cunningham, a black trans man. I'm gonna add to this post to mention that the incumbent that Philippe Cunningham unseated was a long-serving lovely Dem.
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Nov 9, 2017 00:45
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King of Solomon posted:I'm gonna add to this post to mention that the incumbent that Philippe Cunningham unseated was a long-serving lovely Dem. *collective gulp of people who insisted leftists start from the bottom-up*
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Nov 9, 2017 00:49
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Motto posted:My dog is gonna poop on a liberal's lawn and I'm NOT going to pick it up hello senator Paul
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Nov 9, 2017 00:49
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Nevvy Z posted:"It's all her fault I can't stop obsessing about her!" the rift has it's origins with her and her deciding to attack members of her own party, so of course she's gonna be brought up when people bring up the current factionalism
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Nov 9, 2017 00:56
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Question for the forum leftists. What are your opinions on radio host Thom Hartmann. I've been listening to his show for almost a decade now and I credit him with helping me become less of a centrist over the years. Curious what others think of him.
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Nov 9, 2017 01:02
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King of Solomon posted:I'm gonna add to this post to mention that the incumbent that Philippe Cunningham unseated was a long-serving lovely Dem.  What does Jacob Frey stand for? Are there any issues that he is par or worse with his predecessor? What kind of campaign did he run? Is he independent or Dem-affiliated? Tell us all the deets.  ^ all radio is garbage, read the news you uncultured swine.
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Nov 9, 2017 01:04
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Question for the forum leftists. What are your opinions on radio host Thom Hartmann. I've been listening to his show for almost a decade now and I credit him with helping me become less of a centrist over the years. Curious what others think of him. I have no idea who that person is. You put too much of your faith in individuals instead of ideas. Why are you already "all in on Franken" for 2020 when we don't even know who will be running yet?
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Nov 9, 2017 01:06
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Question for the forum leftists. What are your opinions on radio host Thom Hartmann. I've been listening to his show for almost a decade now and I credit him with helping me become less of a centrist over the years. Curious what others think of him. I always mix up Thom Hartmann and Tom Englehart, but both are good. Hartmann wasn't a formative voice for me or anything, but he's consistently put out good articles for as long as I've been reading him.
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Nov 9, 2017 01:09
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Question for the forum leftists. What are your opinions on radio host Thom Hartmann. I've been listening to his show for almost a decade now and I credit him with helping me become less of a centrist over the years. Curious what others think of him. He's a good dude. I don't listen to him very frequently, but that has more to do with the fact that I just have too many political podcasts and radio shows to listen to as it is.
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Nov 9, 2017 01:14
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Question for the forum leftists. What are your opinions on radio host Thom Hartmann. I've been listening to his show for almost a decade now and I credit him with helping me become less of a centrist over the years. Curious what others think of him. Mostly good but he said some weird poo poo about 9/11...
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Nov 9, 2017 01:24
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tekz posted:Good article about the socialist winning in Virginia and the democratic leadership trying to avoid even mentioning it: https://newrepublic.com/article/145727/socialist-beat-one-virginias-powerful-republicans Lee Carter is the candidate that has us all shaking our heads. He didn't do any fundraising of note, refused to tell the VA Dems what he was up to to the point that they threw their hands up and said Go With God, and showed up to every single event he saw on the calendar. Like, he was a candidate masquerading as a volunteer. Nobody knew what to make of him. We were happy to have him show up on Saturday walks - he was friendly, a little awkward, and just a pleasant dude. And then he won and the whole room went WHOA. Don't be shocked if he gets primaried from the center, if only because he makes a point of not talking to party folks. But he's got two years to do some good work, and I bet that body of work will keep him afloat. I'm happy for him. Reminds me of a young Jimmy Tarlau (Maryland Bernie-esque dude).
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Nov 9, 2017 01:39
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Lightning Knight posted:
All three candidates that I listed were DFL candidates. As far as Frey himself, I got the impression that he was reasonably progressive, but not as far as you'd want. I didn't follow the campaigns as well as I should have, so I can't speak to the type of campaign he ran. I actually spoke with him on the phone early on before the DFL primaries, and generally liked the things that he was saying, but with some reservations. That said, I distinctly remember being pretty disappointed with his stance on the minimum wage. He's definitely in favor of increasing it to $15, but on a tiered approach where it would only get increased to $12 for small family-owned business I think? That being said, it's hard to get too worked up about it because Minneapolis already passed a $15 minimum wage. Hodges implemented a requirement for police to wear body cameras, but that obviously didn't go far enough. His website has a surprisingly large amount of ideas for how to address criminal justice reform from multiple angles. He also seems pretty serious about affordable housing, and even specifically called out building affordable housing in wealthy areas on his website, which I appreciate. Oh, and he apparently just gave his cell phone number out to people, myself included; that was odd. Soup du Jour posted:Jacob Frey stands for nothing beyond "what will give me more prominence so I can run for a more powerful position". Every person I know who has interacted with him and his office has come away disliking him. I know Game of Thrones comparisons are eyeroll-worthy, but all this guy needs is a lovely mustache and he'd be a perfect clone of Littlefinger. In short, he sucks but it's better than Hoch winning. Well this sucks. Hopefully the council pushes him to actually implement good poo poo. King of Solomon fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Nov 9, 2017 01:47
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Lightning Knight posted:
Jacob Frey stands for nothing beyond "what will give me more prominence so I can run for a more powerful position". Every person I know who has interacted with him and his office has come away disliking him. I know Game of Thrones comparisons are eyeroll-worthy, but all this guy needs is a lovely mustache and he'd be a perfect clone of Littlefinger. In short, he sucks but it's better than Hoch winning.
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Nov 9, 2017 01:49
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Your Boy Fancy posted:Don't be shocked if he gets primaried from the center, if only because he makes a point of not talking to party folks. This shouldn't be a reason to primary someone.
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Nov 9, 2017 01:49
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ok since the big story broke i've been deliberately lax in enforcing this, but it is time to shut the gently caress up about hillary clinton in here.
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King of Solomon posted:All three candidates that I listed were DFL candidates. As far as Frey himself, I got the impression that he was reasonably progressive, but not as far as you'd want. I didn't follow the campaigns as well as I should have, so I can't speak to the type of campaign he ran. I actually spoke with him on the phone early on before the DFL primaries, and generally liked the things that he was saying, but with some reservations. That said, I distinctly remember being pretty disappointed with his stance on the minimum wage. He's definitely in favor of increasing it to $15, but on a tiered approach where it would only get increased to $12 for small family-owned business I think? That being said, it's hard to get too worked up about it because Minneapolis already passed a $15 minimum wage. Soup du Jour posted:Jacob Frey stands for nothing beyond "what will give me more prominence so I can run for a more powerful position". Every person I know who has interacted with him and his office has come away disliking him. I know Game of Thrones comparisons are eyeroll-worthy, but all this guy needs is a lovely mustache and he'd be a perfect clone of Littlefinger. In short, he sucks but it's better than Hoch winning. Huh. Well, at least we replaced the other guy. I'm sorry King of Solomon, I misread both your post and the one you quoted. Can you tell us anymore about the other two? I see that they're both trans, which is cool! Edit: most minimum wage increases have provisions exempting smaller businesses (typically under 50 employees) for a period of time to transition before it applies to them, it's not unusual as far as I know.
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