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Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.
Wanted to say thanks for some recommendations. Fevre Dream and 'Salem's Lot both ruled. Communion had it's moments but was front-loaded and dragged in some points.

I also read Niceville and while Carsten Stroud's got a few obnoxious tics, it kept me turning the pages until the end. I also picked up Those Who Hunt the Night but think I'm going to switch tracks for a little bit. Book-wise it was a pretty spooky October.

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Big Bad Beetleborg
Apr 8, 2007

Things may come to those who wait...but only the things left by those who hustle.

Is there anything unmissable in the new Humble Bundle? Multi-genre fiction, seems to be largely anthologies.
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/multi-genre-fiction-books

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Big Bad Beetleborg posted:

Is there anything unmissable in the new Humble Bundle? Multi-genre fiction, seems to be largely anthologies.
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/multi-genre-fiction-books

I wouldn't say unmissable, but Scourge of the Betrayer was definitely worth $1 and A Cruel Wind (collection of the first 3 Dread Empire books) is definitely worth $8. Nothing grabs me at the $15 tier.

Time Cowboy
Nov 4, 2007

But Tarzan... The strangest thing has happened! I'm as bare... as the day I was born!
Where should I begin with Lord Dunsany and other early fantasists?

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Time Cowboy posted:

Where should I begin with Lord Dunsany and other early fantasists?

Dunsany's short stories are where you want to start. There are numerous collections, including one you can get free at Project Gutenberg. You can also get epub or pdf version of many of his short story collections free here. For novels, The King of Elfland's Daughter is best, but The Charwoman's Shadow is pretty good too.

As for other early fantasists, I'd suggest checking out E. R. Eddison's The Worm Ouroboros and James Branch Cabell's Figures of Earth and The Silver Stallion.

Selachian fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Nov 4, 2017

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Selachian posted:

Dunsany's short stories are where you want to start. There are numerous collections, including one you can get free at Project Gutenberg. You can also get epub or pdf version of many of his short story collections free here. For novels, The King of Elfland's Daughter is best, but The Charwoman's Shadow is pretty good too.

As for other early fantasists, I'd suggest checking out E. R. Eddison's The Worm Ouroboros and James Branch Cabell's Figures of Earth and The Silver Stallion.

ER Eddison is cool because no one needed to write any more fantasy books after he did.

mbt
Aug 13, 2012

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

Hi Testicle

I remember this one as being a fun read:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/527523.Citizens

thanks! I'll check that out!

Time Cowboy posted:

Where should I begin with Lord Dunsany and other early fantasists?

I'll second The Worm Ouroboros it's good :thumbsup:

Dramatika
Aug 1, 2002

THE BANK IS OPEN
I just went through a stint of reading NK Jemison's Broken Earth trilogy followed by Naomi Novik's Uprooted - I'm totally down for some more good sci-fi fantasy written by women. Before that I read 'All The Birds in the Sky' and 'Who Fears Death'. Where should I go from here?

Should I hit Jemison's Inheritance trilogy? Is Temeraire anywhere as good as Uprooted? Maybe some Octavia Butler, who I have never read?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Time Cowboy posted:

Where should I begin with Lord Dunsany and other early fantasists?

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/dun/swld/swld09.htm

Dunsany is pretty much all good and you can find a lot of his stuff free in Kindle. No real wrong place to start.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


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Morbid Hound

Dramatika posted:

I just went through a stint of reading NK Jemison's Broken Earth trilogy followed by Naomi Novik's Uprooted - I'm totally down for some more good sci-fi fantasy written by women. Before that I read 'All The Birds in the Sky' and 'Who Fears Death'. Where should I go from here?

Should I hit Jemison's Inheritance trilogy? Is Temeraire anywhere as good as Uprooted? Maybe some Octavia Butler, who I have never read?

Have you read LeGuin? If not, try her. I'd suggest The Dispossessed as a starting place.

Dramatika
Aug 1, 2002

THE BANK IS OPEN

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Have you read LeGuin? If not, try her. I'd suggest The Dispossessed as a starting place.

I haven't, I'll get it ordered right now! Thanks!

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Dramatika posted:

I just went through a stint of reading NK Jemison's Broken Earth trilogy followed by Naomi Novik's Uprooted - I'm totally down for some more good sci-fi fantasy written by women. Before that I read 'All The Birds in the Sky' and 'Who Fears Death'. Where should I go from here?

Should I hit Jemison's Inheritance trilogy? Is Temeraire anywhere as good as Uprooted? Maybe some Octavia Butler, who I have never read?
Ada Palmer's Too Like Lightning could be an interesting try. If you don't want to limit it to SF, then Catherynne Valente is your gal.

Time Cowboy
Nov 4, 2007

But Tarzan... The strangest thing has happened! I'm as bare... as the day I was born!
Thanks for the early fantasy recs!

Women in modern fantasy:
Seconding Catherynne M. Valente, particularly Radiance and the Prester John duology.
Jo Walton, Among Others, My Real Children, and the Just City duology.
Robin Hobb, particularly the first Assassin trilogy.
Ellen Kushner's Riverside books.
Robin McKinley, Deerskin.
Kate Elliott's Crossroads trilogy.
Helen Oyeyemi, particularly Mr. Fox and White Is for Witching.

funkybottoms
Oct 28, 2010

Funky Bottoms is a land man

Dramatika posted:


Should I hit Jemison's Inheritance trilogy? Is Temeraire anywhere as good as Uprooted? Maybe some Octavia Butler, who I have never read?

I liked Uprooted, and first couple of Temeraire books are fun, but the series gets pretty terrible by the fifth one (unless you really wanted a lot more of the "Hermione frees the elves" sub-plot in The Harry Potter books) and is an utter slog by the sixth.

Le Guin is fantastic- The Lathe of Heaven is one of my favorite books, period- and Malinda Lo and Kristin Cashore are good if you can roll with YA.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



I've been reading a lot of Bukowski and I've been looking for similar stuff: lowlife, addiction, apathy, general scumminess, etc. Short stories are ok but novels are preferred. I'm looking for stuff that is lesser known and not by other beat writers.

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Kvlt! posted:

I've been reading a lot of Bukowski and I've been looking for similar stuff: lowlife, addiction, apathy, general scumminess, etc. Short stories are ok but novels are preferred. I'm looking for stuff that is lesser known and not by other beat writers.

Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me by Richard Fariña
The Toy Collector by James Gunn
Less Than Zero by Brett Easton Ellis
The gently caress-Up by Arthur Nersesian
A Portrait of the Artist as Young Man by James Joyce
Trainspotting by Irving Welsh

Mover
Jun 30, 2008


Bukowski himself was a huge fan of John Fante, particularly Ask the Dust which fits that mold pretty well

yung lambic
Dec 16, 2011

Anything out there that's similar to Saramago's Blindness? Just getting to the end of it now, and loved every page. Need more of that tense action, black comedy, apocalyptic nightmares...

Franchescanado
Feb 23, 2013

If it wasn't for disappointment
I wouldn't have any appointment

Grimey Drawer

Convexed posted:

Anything out there that's similar to Saramago's Blindness? Just getting to the end of it now, and loved every page. Need more of that tense action, black comedy, apocalyptic nightmares...

Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian or The Road
Anything by David Vann (though it won't be apocalyptic)

foutre
Sep 4, 2011

:toot: RIP ZEEZ :toot:

Dramatika posted:

Should I hit Jemison's Inheritance trilogy?

I would actually skip the Inheritance trilogy -- I really wanted to like it but stopped reading halfway through the second book, it was a lot heavier on the basically erotica bits and they kind of dragged, but I loved Broken Earth when it came out.

nthing Octavia Butler, it isn't really sci-fi per se but Kindred is amazing.

I'd also try (ordered from more fantasy -> more sci-fi)

Court of Thorns and Roses by Sarah Maas (reminded me of the Inheritance Trilogy, YA)
Goblin Emperor by Katherine Addison
Bekka Copper trilogy by Tamora Pierce ('lower' fantasy setting, YA)
Everfair by Nisi Shawl (revisionist colonial history of the Congo + steampunk)
Binti/Home (series of really lovely novellas) and Akata Witch (Nigerian Harry Potter, more YA) by Nnedi Okorafur-Mbachu
The Ancillary series by Ann Leckie
The Long Way to a Small Angry Planet / Closed and Common Orbit by Becky Chambers

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Can anyone point me to some explicitly socialist/Marxist/otherwise class-conscious YA fiction?

Not just books where the haves exploit the have-nots (Hunger Games etc) but where the focus is on the causes of economic inequality. Something where the characters are organizers in a trade union would be just the ticket. Anything like that out there?

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Clipperton posted:

Can anyone point me to some explicitly socialist/Marxist/otherwise class-conscious YA fiction?

Not just books where the haves exploit the have-nots (Hunger Games etc) but where the focus is on the causes of economic inequality. Something where the characters are organizers in a trade union would be just the ticket. Anything like that out there?

It's not really YA, but Ursula LeGuin's The Dispossessed is explicitly socialist.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

It's not really YA, but Ursula LeGuin's The Dispossessed is explicitly socialist.

I'm mostly curious how much of the YA boom has been class-based stuff, since it lends itself pretty easily to the "oppressive dystopia" template and YA writers seem to be a progressive bunch.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Clipperton posted:

I'm mostly curious how much of the YA boom has been class-based stuff, since it lends itself pretty easily to the "oppressive dystopia" template and YA writers seem to be a progressive bunch.

Not much, that I can see. I mean, you can read The Hunger Games through a socialist lens (the wealthy class keeps the proles distracted and divided), but it's just as easy to put a right-wing spin on it (good honest heartland folk vs. degenerate coastal elite that controls the entertainment industry).

Human Tornada
Mar 4, 2005

I been wantin to see a honkey dance.

Clipperton posted:

I'm mostly curious how much of the YA boom has been class-based stuff, since it lends itself pretty easily to the "oppressive dystopia" template and YA writers seem to be a progressive bunch.

I haven't read it but I think the Red Rising trilogy is like this. They're supposed to be pretty good, too.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Human Tornada posted:

I haven't read it but I think the Red Rising trilogy is like this. They're supposed to be pretty good, too.

I will check it out, thanks! There's also something by Cory Doctorow called "For the Win" but it sounds like typical Doctorow fart-huffing

Otherwise what I'm hearing is that the market is wide open for my YA trilogy YOUNG BERNIE: THE SAGA BEGINS

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Clipperton posted:

I'm mostly curious how much of the YA boom has been class-based stuff, since it lends itself pretty easily to the "oppressive dystopia" template and YA writers seem to be a progressive bunch.

Basically all that YA claptrap is liberal, and if a Marxist did write some it probably wouldn't be popular.

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer

A human heart posted:

Basically all that YA claptrap is liberal, and if a Marxist did write some it probably wouldn't be popular.

There does seem to be a lot of #stillwithher nonsense on YA twitter yes

Sakurazuka
Jan 24, 2004

NANI?

Human Tornada posted:

I haven't read it but I think the Red Rising trilogy is like this. They're supposed to be pretty good, too.

For a second I thought there were books based on Dead Rising

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry

Clipperton posted:

I will check it out, thanks! There's also something by Cory Doctorow called "For the Win" but it sounds like typical Doctorow fart-huffing

Otherwise what I'm hearing is that the market is wide open for my YA trilogy YOUNG BERNIE: THE SAGA BEGINS

For The Win is painfully Doctorow, maybe even worse than Little Brother.

chernobyl kinsman
Mar 18, 2007

a friend of the friendly atom

Soiled Meat
please don't, as a grown adult, read a book titled 'for the win'

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


chernobyl kinsman posted:

please don't, as a grown adult, read a book titled 'for the win'

Don't listen to him "Like a Boss" was the best book I read all year

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

chernobyl kinsman posted:

please don't, as a grown adult, read a book titled 'for the win'

Thank you.

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
So I have a friend that I'm doing some Christmas shopping for, and one of the things they're really into is bigfoot. Hey whatever, I don't judge. Something I was thinking of getting them was a book about either bigfoot or cryptozoology in general, not like a "funny haha jokes" sort of book but something a little more comprehensive...I hesitate to use the word "scholarly" when talking about things that don't really exist but you get what I mean. I can quickly search up a gazillion books on the subject, but if anyone here has any recommendations I'd love to hear them.

Bandiet
Dec 31, 2015

Kai Tave posted:

So I have a friend that I'm doing some Christmas shopping for, and one of the things they're really into is bigfoot. Hey whatever, I don't judge. Something I was thinking of getting them was a book about either bigfoot or cryptozoology in general, not like a "funny haha jokes" sort of book but something a little more comprehensive...I hesitate to use the word "scholarly" when talking about things that don't really exist but you get what I mean. I can quickly search up a gazillion books on the subject, but if anyone here has any recommendations I'd love to hear them.

The Encyclopedia of Cryptozoology by Michael Newton is a hefty book, so great for a Christmas present, as well as being extremely fun to peruse. It's an objective and comprehensive compilation of myths about and purported sightings of cryptids across the world.

In a similar vein but for bigfoot specifically, Sasquatch by Rupert Matthews is worthwhile and almost objective, though not nearly as scholarly.

The most serious read you can probably get is Cryptozoology: Science & Speculation by Chad Arment.

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

Kai Tave posted:

So I have a friend that I'm doing some Christmas shopping for, and one of the things they're really into is bigfoot. Hey whatever, I don't judge. Something I was thinking of getting them was a book about either bigfoot or cryptozoology in general, not like a "funny haha jokes" sort of book but something a little more comprehensive...I hesitate to use the word "scholarly" when talking about things that don't really exist but you get what I mean. I can quickly search up a gazillion books on the subject, but if anyone here has any recommendations I'd love to hear them.

There's a zoologist called Darren Naish who has a blog and is kind of interested in cryptozoology as a side thing to his main work, he wrote a book that might be of interest perhaps https://www.amazon.com/Hunting-Mons..._=sr_1_4&sr=8-4

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
Thanks guys, I'll check all of those out.

Dramatika
Aug 1, 2002

THE BANK IS OPEN

anilEhilated posted:

Ada Palmer's Too Like Lightning could be an interesting try. If you don't want to limit it to SF, then Catherynne Valente is your gal.


Time Cowboy posted:

Thanks for the early fantasy recs!

Women in modern fantasy:
Seconding Catherynne M. Valente, particularly Radiance and the Prester John duology.
Jo Walton, Among Others, My Real Children, and the Just City duology.
Robin Hobb, particularly the first Assassin trilogy.
Ellen Kushner's Riverside books.
Robin McKinley, Deerskin.
Kate Elliott's Crossroads trilogy.
Helen Oyeyemi, particularly Mr. Fox and White Is for Witching.



foutre posted:

I would actually skip the Inheritance trilogy -- I really wanted to like it but stopped reading halfway through the second book, it was a lot heavier on the basically erotica bits and they kind of dragged, but I loved Broken Earth when it came out.

nthing Octavia Butler, it isn't really sci-fi per se but Kindred is amazing.

I'd also try (ordered from more fantasy -> more sci-fi)

Court of Thorns and Roses by Sarah Maas (reminded me of the Inheritance Trilogy, YA)
Goblin Emperor by Katherine Addison
Bekka Copper trilogy by Tamora Pierce ('lower' fantasy setting, YA)
Everfair by Nisi Shawl (revisionist colonial history of the Congo + steampunk)
Binti/Home (series of really lovely novellas) and Akata Witch (Nigerian Harry Potter, more YA) by Nnedi Okorafur-Mbachu
The Ancillary series by Ann Leckie

funkybottoms posted:

I liked Uprooted, and first couple of Temeraire books are fun, but the series gets pretty terrible by the fifth one (unless you really wanted a lot more of the "Hermione frees the elves" sub-plot in The Harry Potter books) and is an utter slog by the sixth.

Le Guin is fantastic- The Lathe of Heaven is one of my favorite books, period- and Malinda Lo and Kristin Cashore are good if you can roll with YA.


The Long Way to a Small Angry Planet / Closed and Common Orbit by Becky Chambers

Thanks guys! I actually had a copy of Assassin's Apprentice laying around that I never really started, and read that and it was a lot of fun! I've got Dispossessed on the Way, and I'm thinking I'll probably hit Helen Oyeyemi next, then hit Binti/Home by Okorafur after that.

lazybuttons
Jul 17, 2005
TiVo popcorn

Kvlt! posted:

I've been reading a lot of Bukowski and I've been looking for similar stuff: lowlife, addiction, apathy, general scumminess, etc. Short stories are ok but novels are preferred. I'm looking for stuff that is lesser known and not by other beat writers.

Requiem for a Dream is a bit more known than the titles Franchescanado mentioned, but I think it's often skipped these days due to being overshadowed by the film adaptation.
It's a unique love-it-or-hate-it sort of read, and stands strongly on it's own even if you've seen the film. One of my favorite American novels.

edit: pardon, just noticed the, "and not by other beat writers" bit . Still worth checking out, but Hubert Selby, Jr. is solidly in that category

lazybuttons fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Nov 19, 2017

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Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

I'm interested in some fast-moving reading about smugglers. Could be NF, could be sci-fi or fantasy, could be modern noir, could be a graphic novel. I just want people trying to get stuff from place A to B when they aren't supposed to.

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