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Yardbomb posted:Or just being a poo poo person, that's often the right answer as opposed to some random douche actually playing 4d aquatic chess or whatever. it's the thing i said.
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Groovelord Neato posted:it's the thing i said. wrong 
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H3h3 had Jordan Peterson on their latest podcast. Didn't they used to not be poo poo?
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aware of dog posted:H3h3 had Jordan Peterson on their latest podcast. Didn't they used to not be poo poo? Yeah but they realized there was a lot of money/attention in being one of the “good Jews” for the new Nazis.
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Nov 8, 2017 04:16
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Wasn't H3H3 in financial trouble and so they hopped on the alt-light money train?
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yeah they got sued by some moron who they mocked and had to start doing both sides poo poo to make ends meet until they won. right now they're pretty much joe rogan but sometimes funny.
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https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/928278152446709760
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Contra was on Bunty's show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9_T2Mi7oF8 She's clearly frustrated with the heat she got for being interviewed by that guy last week.
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bunty is a dumbass why'd she go on his show.
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C'mon Contra, stop giving these loving losers the time of day. They thrive off the legitimacy you're giving them.
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Yeah, HBomb has the right idea here. Examine, critique, but do not engage. Safari rules.
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Groovelord Neato posted:bunty is a dumbass why'd she go on his show. Bunty is actually slowly changing the way he behaves, he's still an idiot, but ever since he talked to Destiny he's actually been slowly becoming more honest and talking more fairly. He's actually been pushing back against the shittier aspects of his lovely friends a little bit.
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I actually watched it (Not knowing who Bunty is, I don't keep up with these people) ANd I thought this was pretty good. Bunty didn't come off as an rear end in a top hat or anything. His chat is a cesspool though.
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Al-Saqr posted:Bunty is actually slowly changing the way he behaves, he's still an idiot, but ever since he talked to Destiny he's actually been slowly becoming more honest and talking more fairly. He's actually been pushing back against the shittier aspects of his lovely friends a little bit. BigRed0427 posted:I actually watched it (Not knowing who Bunty is, I don't keep up with these people) ANd I thought this was pretty good. Bunty didn't come off as an rear end in a top hat or anything. His chat is a cesspool though. I don't think we can look at the skeptics in black and white, not all of them are supreme assholes or even racists. I admire Contra's willingness to have discussions with the less toxic members of their group.
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Personally, I don't mind inviting shitlords or going on their programs. I think it's important that these idiots get called out in real time instead of allowing their crap to fester and spread from the confines of their safe spaces. The problem I have is when you invite these douches on your program and sit there grinning mindlessly like David Rubin does
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Cansomeone provide some examples of poor behavior by H3H3?
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The main H3H3 guy, Ethan, said that there is a male drive to conquer and that "women, in a nature setting, are to be conquered". They also did a video about BBC and digital blackface and had Peterson on their show but I have yet to watch either so I can't say how bad they are.
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Nov 9, 2017 16:22
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Mundrial Mantis posted:They also did a video about BBC and digital blackface Given the Alt Right's predilections I'm not sure whether you're talking about the state broadcaster or the category on pornhub.
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OwlFancier posted:Given the Alt Right's predilections I'm not sure whether you're talking about the state broadcaster or the category on pornhub. The British Broadcasting Company is actually changing their name to Big Black Cock... or at least so the slippery slope argument goes now that there's a female Dr. Who. On a more serious note, this is the first time I saw a video about "digital blackface" and that does seem, from my perspective, looking for racism where there maybe isn't any? I can't look into the hearts of white people who use reaction gifs featuring black people, but it never crossed my mind they were using it as a form of cultural appropriation. I just saw them as a person's reaction. Edit: Personally identifiable information has been removed. fallenturtle fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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fallenturtle posted:On a more serious note, this is the first time I saw a video about "digital blackface" and that does seem, from my white male middle class perspective, looking for racism where there maybe isn't any? I can't look into the hearts of white people who use reaction gifs featuring black people, but it never crossed my mind they were using it as a form of cultural appropriation. I just saw them as a person's reaction. white people are constantly striving for the "authenticity" that black people generate as a consequence of expressing themselves. this is why if you're a white rapper you need to be extremely careful so as to not come off as a racist since you're basically going to imitate black people for a living https://jezebel.com/the-making-and-unmaking-of-iggy-azalea-1797030869 this can extend to cringey behavior like white people calling other white people "my niggas". with digital blackface there's a decent amount of cluelessness involved because you may not be aware you're doing things the way black people would do them (this is sort of the end state of cultural appropriation when it becomes cultural mixing, when someone doesn't even know the origin of the thing they're doing) but someone doing it deliberately because they want to appear as or imitate black people is part of a centuries long tradition of white people passing off black behaviors as their own for personal benefit
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Nov 9, 2017 18:11
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tldr for the article: suburban white girl from australia falls in love with american hip hop, wants to move to america to be a hip hop star, (wants to be black basically) except she can't rap and constantly resists attempts to remold her natural talent and charisma towards pop music. things fall apartquote:The glamour of hip-hop worked its magic on Iggy, thousands of miles from its roots. “I just knew I wanted to go to America and be a rapper and have a ponytail and a leopardskin jacket that went down to my feet, and like, 20 white, fluffy dogs on one leash,” she told Dazed & Confused in 2012. She felt like an outcast herself, in a town where her rap tastes were rare, so she sought out rappers who were misfits and “caricatures”—Missy Elliott, Ludacris, Andre 3000. After standard jobs in retail and helping her mom clean houses (her dad was a children’s book author), Iggy dropped out of high school. quote:Then suddenly, her fast-track American success story turned into a cautionary tale. Iggy became a punchline and went from being hailed as a white rap savior—a potential salve in the lineage of bad white rappers—to, three years later, being a digital-era Vanilla Ice, reduced to a viral talking point. It didn’t matter that she’d made a perfect pop song. She was buried in public beefs (with Azealia Banks, Q-Tip, Papa John’s Pizza), and drama that proved more stressful than entertaining, to the point of annoyance and then indifference. In a June interview with The Guardian, Halsey, who sang on the Chainsmokers’ hit “Closer,” summarized Iggy’s career in a flippant nutshell: “She had a complete disregard for black culture. loving moron. I watched her career dissolve and it fascinated me.”
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yeah it was bizarre when "work" came out and finding out this person rapping in a southern accent is from australia.
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I decided to watch the H3H3 video and then the BBC's video to see what both are about. The BBC video is very short and direct on what blackface is and why it is bad, how using gifs and emojis of exaggerated stereotypes of black people is a continuation of that, and ends with getting to ask yourself why you find the gifs and emojis funny or entertaining in non-confrontational way. The H3H3 video tries to make using gifs of white and Jewish people equivalent to digital blackface without bringing up the stereotypes part, makes some generalizations, and says it is just entertainment. Seeing how upset this guy got over the digital blackface video and try to argue that it is okay is telling in how much he acts like the SJWs strawman.OwlFancier posted:Given the Alt Right's predilections I'm not sure whether you're talking about the state broadcaster or the category on pornhub. Huh, that explains their choice of gifs. Mundrial Mantis fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Groovelord Neato posted:yeah it was bizarre when "work" came out and finding out this person rapping in a southern accent is from australia. just looked this up and to me, a southerner, it sounds like someone imitating a southern accent. she enunciates way too much
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boner confessor posted:white people are constantly striving for the "authenticity" that black people generate as a consequence of expressing themselves. this is why if you're a white rapper you need to be extremely careful so as to not come off as a racist since you're basically going to imitate black people for a living I think maybe some people are overly analytical regarding cultural appropriation. On one hand non-people of color using the n-word or its variants, people dressing up as other races and cultures is one thing, on the other white people with dreads or hoop earrings, non-people of color speaking in African American Vernacular English, these sort of things, while they can be used in a disingenuous or offensive way, can also be the result of culture mixing which I think isn't a bad thing. There have now been several generations of white kids growing up surrounded by black culture on TV, on the radio, in in their schools, so I think when it comes to calling these things out we need to be more careful in recognizing what is natural and unnatural "appropriation", if that makes sense. Eminem I think would be an example of natural, Iggy an example of unnatural. fallenturtle fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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I'm just asking questions. No need to get so upset, it looks like you have some growing up to do.
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fallenturtle posted:I think maybe some people are overly analytical regarding cultural appropriation. this is sort of the blunt "as a white man, I" kind of talk that will get you into arguments. you dont ever have to deal with the negative consequences of cultural appropriation, you only see the beneficial side think about like, i dont know, male gamer nerds freaking out about fake gamer girls or something, but instead of being pathetic, it's the latest in a very long string of casual and corporate attempts to strip mine your identity so other, more advantaged kids can pretend to be something they're not fallenturtle posted:I think when it comes to calling these things out we need to be more careful in recognizing what is natural and unnatural "appropriation", if that makes sense. i'll be honest - i dont really care what you think. and i'm not saying that to shut down discussion or insult you, i'm saying that opinions like "as a white guy, i just don't get this whole 'racism' thing" are super common and cheap and like a penny on the street i wouldn't bother to pick it up
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Mundrial Mantis posted:I decided to watch the H3H3 video and then the BBC's video to see what both are about. The BBC video is very short and direct on what blackface is and why it is bad, how using gifs and emojis of exaggerated stereotypes of black people is a continuation of that, and ends with getting to ask yourself why you find the gifs and emojis funny or entertaining in non-confrontational way. The H3H3 video tries to make using gifs of white and Jewish people equivalent to digital blackface without bringing up the stereotypes part, makes some generalizations, and says it is just entertainment. Seeing how upset this guy got over the digital blackface video and try to argue that it is okay is telling in how much he acts like the SJWs strawman. I watched the straight BBC video and I found that most of those examples of GIFs weren't all that stereotypical of black people, imo.
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boner confessor posted:this is sort of the blunt "as a white man, I" kind of talk that will get you into arguments. you don't ever have to deal with the negative consequences of cultural appropriation, you only see the beneficial side quote:think about like, i don't know, male gamer nerds freaking out about fake gamer girls or something, but instead of being pathetic, it's the latest in a very long string of casual and corporate attempts to strip mine your identity so other, more advantaged kids can pretend to be something they're not I'm fine with calling out legit posers, but before doing so I think the accuser should consider if the person is actually being a poser or is their likes, dislikes, personality, just a product of their upbringing. Are they rapping because they want to be a black rapper, or because they like rap music and its how they want to express themselves. quote:i'll be honest - i don't really care what you think. and i'm not saying that to shut down discussion or insult you, i'm saying that opinions like "as a white guy, i just don't get this whole 'racism' thing" are super common and cheap and like a penny on the street i wouldn't bother to pick it up
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fallenturtle posted:It's true, I don't have to deal with the negative consequences, but as a member of society, a consumer of media, and a potential target audience member to videos like the BBC's, I have a right to be part of the discourse. "as a white man, i have a right to express my opinion"  your terminal, relentless cluelessness is why people keep making fun of you itt
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ArfJason posted:I'm just asking questions. No need to get so upset, it looks like you have some growing up to do. Stop culturally appropriating sea lions.
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fallenturtle posted:I would hope that you recognize my statements are more targeted than just a vague "I don't get this racism thing", though. That's exactly what this post reads as: fallenturtle posted:I watched the straight BBC video and I found that most of those examples of GIFs weren't all that stereotypical of black people, imo. "No racism here! I, the white man, did not see any!"
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fallenturtle posted:Stop culturally appropriating sea lions. boner confessor posted:"as a white man, i have a right to express my opinion" I just wish you could see past my skin color, Mr. Boner.
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fallenturtle posted:I just wish you could see past my skin color, Mr. Boner. i wish you could too
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WampaLord posted:That's exactly what this post reads as: "If you don't believe digital blackface is a thing, then you don't believe there is any racism anywhere ever." boner confessor posted:i wish you could too I do! Your insides are lovely. Also I have no idea what your skin color even is because you were smart enough not to preface an opinion with it.
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Mundrial Mantis posted:I decided to watch the H3H3 video and then the BBC's video to see what both are about. The BBC video is very short and direct on what blackface is and why it is bad, how using gifs and emojis of exaggerated stereotypes of black people is a continuation of that, and ends with getting to ask yourself why you find the gifs and emojis funny or entertaining in non-confrontational way. The H3H3 video tries to make using gifs of white and Jewish people equivalent to digital blackface without bringing up the stereotypes part, makes some generalizations, and says it is just entertainment. Seeing how upset this guy got over the digital blackface video and try to argue that it is okay is telling in how much he acts like the SJWs strawman. Man, I was arguing years ago that the internet's fascination with Cosby soundclips and ytmnds was a form of "guilt-free racism", never thought to call it digital blackface. That's a perfect description.
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fallenturtle posted:I think maybe some people are overly analytical regarding cultural appropriation. As I understand it, here's the way to tell what's cultural appropriation from what isn't: Are you, as an outsider to a culture, participating in that culture with people who live it? Are you doing the work to understand the culture and participate respectfully? Then that isn't cultural appropriation. As an example, there's famous chef Rick Bayless, a white American guy who cooks authentic Mexican food and has published several cookbooks of it. And he walks the walk. He researched regional Mexican cuisine and wrote books translating those recipes into English. He lived in Mexico and immersed himself in regional culture so he can write about it with authority. He acts like, to quote Kenji Lopez-Alt, "a visitor and ambassador," rather than an authority. On the other hand: are you ignoring the actual people involved in the culture? Are you just grabbing symbols and using them to represent that culture without really understanding, or even caring, if you're doing it right? Are you using a culture's symbols or ideas for a superficial, vague sense of "otherness," like getting a tattoo in Chinese just so it looks special and alien? That's probably cultural appropriation. I've seen some critiques of Blade Runner 2049 along those lines and I think they're legitimate critiques: the movie is saturated in Asian imagery, with signs in Japanese and Chinese, lots of Asian extras, and not a single main or even secondary character who's Asian. It's all just a backdrop to make things seem other or different. (Other cyberpunk stories do this, too, often just because Blade Runner and Neuromancer did it and now it's like having a vague Asian-ness in the background is part of the genre or something.) This is vastly oversimplified, but it makes a decent starting place for understanding what the concept even is.
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Anyone want a 3 hour debate between Destiny and Nick "Women Belong in the Home" Fuentes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10neTGqaO20
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fallenturtle posted:Anyone want a 3 hour debate between Destiny and Nick "Women Belong in the Home" Fuentes? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10neTGqaO20 I thought this was a previous one he did, but it's NEW? Destiny decided to bring him on after what that shitfest with Southern, Roaming Millenial, et al?
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