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Guavanaut posted:The rainbow has 7 colors because Newton had an occultist streak and thought it would be neat to match them up with the 7 musical notes and the 7 classical planets.
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Dmitri-9 posted:I just watched the Joker impregnate Spiderman with a fidget spinner who then got an abortion.
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I did the right thing subscribing to this thread.
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dear god https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f37LA3NLapI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkMhFBfjQ5A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=463F4_K3FGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urwLg3HPjQc Trabisnikof fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Nov 8, 2017 |
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We survived Newgrounds, I'm sure this will prepare children for the realities of a post-irony world. Wow, it really was 'The problems of the future, today'.
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seriously this is incredible, i had no idea these were a thing
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and i've kind of come around to the "what the gently caress does this do to kids psychologically/developmentally" argument
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I'm sure their parents can manage to do worse in the long run.
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Inescapable Duck posted:I'm sure their parents can manage to do worse in the long run. (this is keeping in mind that unboxing videos are one of the least weird things on youtube, which has obviously finally managed to attract a major 0-12 demographic and we're all the poorer for it)
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I dont think these videos are fully computer generated. They look to me like created with some crappy authoring software from scripts. They are generated by somebody with autism or by some production popeline designed to generate has many videos has posible has fast has possible has a farm method.
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Dmitri-9 posted:How do they avoid copyright claims? Sometimes if someone sings a song too accurately on a stream they get a strike. I just watched the Joker impregnate Spiderman with a fidget spinner who then got an abortion. They actually appear use this to their advantage: https://twitter.com/FoldableHuman/status/927783670458417152 https://twitter.com/FoldableHuman/status/927799535761473538
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Tei posted:I dont think these videos are fully computer generated. They look to me like created with some crappy authoring software from scripts. They are generated by somebody with autism or by some production popeline designed to generate has many videos has posible has fast has possible has a farm method. They aren’t fully computer generated. One of the points the author makes is that there have to be a bunch of studios with multiple people churning out videos based entirely on algorithmically generates titles designed for a kind of hyper-focused SEO. Some of the articles linked from that medium post are interesting too. quote:“It just doesn’t feel right,” one parent — let’s call her “C” — admits to me. Her 2-year-old is mesmerized by surprise-egg videos. Many parents, she suggests, start off handing their child the coveted iPhone or iPad in order to steal a few hours for themselves, and then the egg-opening takes hold. I’m not going to say this is bad and terrible and the modern world is hosed, but it is... weird. The anecdote further down about the kid that will watch endless unboxing videos of toys while having no interest in the toys themselves or the shows the characters are from is weird too. This stuff all fits into a kind of uncanny valley of disturbing where it just seems wrong and exploitative without there being anything about it that’s obviously harmful.
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Paradoxish posted:I’m not going to say this is bad and terrible and the modern world is hosed, but it is... weird. The anecdote further down about the kid that will watch endless unboxing videos of toys while having no interest in the toys themselves or the shows the characters are from is weird too. This stuff all fits into a kind of uncanny valley of disturbing where it just seems wrong and exploitative without there being anything about it that’s obviously harmful. And it's true, kids love opening boxes to see what's inside. Adults still feel some of that joy. Unboxing a new thing is fun. And it can't be Christmas everyday, so you can vicariously live out unboxing a new thing via the internet instead. Unboxings seem fairly harmless, like kids watching an 8mm or VHS of a family Christmas and getting excited when the presents are opened. The uncanny valley CGI things are a bit more concerning, because they're off enough that kids might emulating them (less concerning, 70s/80's animation had some garbage churned out as fast as possible that didn't seem to bear any connection to normal human interaction), and Youtube's algorithms are not great at separating it from Weird Youtube for adults (more concerning).
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It's not the same, if I got an empty n64 box I would have been pissed but kids these days would literally prefer to watch others play the game
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Yeah, unboxing seems like the most harmless thing imaginable and you really have to stretch to old man reasons for thinking it's bad. The weird ultra low quality "educational" videos seem actually bad. In that sticking a kid in front of educational videos is already bottom of the barrel education and these are so far below the floor of a thing that could actually teach anyone anything.
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call to action posted:It's not the same, if I got an empty n64 box I would have been pissed but kids these days would literally prefer to watch others play the game Or heck, when someone is a "into sports", what that usually translates to for an adult is "likes watching other people play sports", not playing so much themselves. And that's obviously highly socially accepted. Owlofcreamcheese posted:Yeah, unboxing seems like the most harmless thing imaginable and you really have to stretch to old man reasons for thinking it's bad.
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call to action posted:It's not the same, if I got an empty n64 box I would have been pissed but kids these days would literally prefer to watch others play the game I'm 36 and I watch let's plays some. They are literally just the same thing as podcasts but have a videogame playing. I watch giant bomb play NHL 2016 because I want to listen to them goofball it up not because I care about that game or want to play that game or anything about that game. It's literally just the same as a podcast. Either about the game for serious lets play or just a podcast that has a game going in the background for long running series. Like northern lion has played 5000+ episodes of binding of issac and he spends like maybe 10% of the playtime talking about binding of Isaac and 90% just doing a podcast on whatever topic he has on his mind that day.
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Definitely don’t have a problem with unboxing and let’s plays etc, seems pretty harmless. However, I’ve got to say these generated videos have the same kind of weird uncanny valley feel that a lot of mainstream kids programming has. When I’ve watched shows like teletubies I feel the same uncomfortable feeling. I don’t know that these are harmful as much as just confusing. I try to avoid showing my kid anything that lacks narrative since I feel like confusing a developing brain is probably a bad thing. ElCondemn fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Nov 8, 2017 |
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ElCondemn posted:Definitely don’t have a problem with unboxing and let’s plays etc, seems pretty harmless. The boobah zone http://danryckert.eu/
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It's also all about the amount of content too. Watching an hour of unboxing, lets play, football, etc probably relatively harmless. Watching 4+ hours of the same content, even "just" football reruns, a day as a child? That's going to gently caress you up somehow.
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I️ have doubts as to the long term negative effects of even the most disturbing of this content so long as the children are being interacted with regularly by their caretakers and other children.
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Guavanaut posted:People have been making "they're more interested in the box than the toy" comments since toys have come in boxes and been given to children like that. Okay, but I'm not saying anything about unboxing in general. I'm saying it's weird for a kid to sit for hours a day watching someone silently open kinder eggs.
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I feel like most of these arguments were made about TV too when kids were left watching it for hours, which doesn't bode well if there is any kind of effect because the kids will grow up before anybody can tell for sure.
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The real evil format is the "opening loot boxes" format. Videos of kids opening pack of cards of f2p games. Opening toys boxes is barelly evil, middly evil. milketoas evil. 
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I feel like a real thing is getting mixed up in a "these kids today!!!!" old man yells at cloud stuff. The mad about fads stuff is as stupid as it was 50 years ago. The stuff that is bad is substandard educational media substituting real educational media, which already is a bottom of the barrel form of education. Like I work with schools and schools show the kids this crap, and it's so far below the bottom of anything reasonable to use as teaching materials.
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jon joe posted:I️ have doubts as to the long term negative effects of even the most disturbing of this content so long as the children are being interacted with regularly by their caretakers and other children. Well, those kids are screwed then.
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Amazon demonstrates automation of character voice acting in their Lumberyard game engine (based on Crytek): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXjnx_wmlaA
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Rastor posted:Amazon demonstrates automation of character voice acting in their Lumberyard game engine (based on Crytek): That seems almost shockingly unimpressive, That seems like 6 or 7 years behind the state of the art.
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Moreover, it seems good enough for temp only unless you’re going for the ‘random person off the street reading the lines with no emotion’ feel. Their examples were like the very epitome of temp voice work.
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Tei posted:The real evil format is the "opening loot boxes" format. Videos of kids opening pack of cards of f2p games. I cut the rest because actually, it's all bad. This is straight up priming kids for gacha and mystery box systems. It might not be intentional, but it is absolutely doing that. As someone who works in the mobile gaming industry, and implements those systems and gets paid from those systems, this poo poo is terrifying. We have enough ethical issues, we don't need weaker willed consumers who will spend money on anything (it's already bad enough).
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Maluco Marinero posted:Moreover, it seems good enough for temp only unless you’re going for the ‘random person off the street reading the lines with no emotion’ feel. Their examples were like the very epitome of temp voice work. I'm pretty sure somebody in the video says it's just for placeholders?
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I do too. Loot boxes are exactly the same thing as slot machines. This isn't anything like actual complicated psychological manipulation like we've seen in the past, these are simple direct copies of one armed bandits and the hysterically well understood mechanisms of gambling addiction. Somehow, management finally saw the same things on addiction we all did and asked "what is worse than adult gambling addiction and adolescent gaming addiction?" "Let's do that." Like gambling, 90% percent of income is going to come from 10% of userbase. The difference is these addicts are 11 years old and have insane suburbananite parents, and lordy, will there be a moral panic to come. But the profits until then are going to be... rather large. Heh, it's almost like money is easier to count than how evil you are.
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I mean, is it really that different from opening packs of magic cards? Or baseball cards or Xmen cards or whatever. I think the ones that are potentially convertible into actual currency (CSGO/Dota2, right?) are bad, and like many gamers I hate ones that give pay-to-win advantages because everyone should be on an even playing field goddammit, but something purely cosmetic like Overwatch's system seems fine to me. "But some people might still waste too much money even on cosmetics!" Yeah and some people will blow way too much time playing WoW because MMOs are designed to be addictive, but nobody seems to give a poo poo about those anymore.
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If lootboxes/unboxings are the devil doesn't youtube versions of them just end up being good things? Someone being able to get 80% of the experiance for zero percent of the cost seems like a thing that would make them less interested in needing to gamble a lot instead of more interested.
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Cicero posted:I mean, is it really that different from opening packs of magic cards? Or baseball cards or Xmen cards or whatever. There are important differences: Items in a F2P game can't be traded. So if I have 2 of the best heroes in the game, I can't give one to a friend. He have to buy a lot of packs and be lucky. Is very easy for a kid to get mom phone and click on "buy 19$ of ingame currency". Mom may not even notice. Kids of very young age are doing this. There are 8 years old and 11 years old doing this. While magic cards was more a teenager thing. They are virtual items. If the game close, you end with nothing. If you buy a lot baseball cards as kid, you will still have a bunch of useless baseball cards after 20 years. Is not kids playing with other kids, but adults manipulating people of all ages. No social interaction. The list is longer, but I will stop here.
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Tei posted:There are important differences: hello school principal that banned pogs because they were gambling.
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Is that a thing that happened? I don't remember that happening.
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Cicero posted:I mean, is it really that different from opening packs of magic cards? Or baseball cards or Xmen cards or whatever. I've seen kids walk in to a store, buy a magic pack, sell what they open to the store then fish money out of their pocket to make the difference to get the next pack, hoping to pull some money card. It's basically gambling.
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RandomPauI posted:Is that a thing that happened? I don't remember that happening. Yes, absolutely. (milk caps is the generic name of pogs) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_caps_(game) Because many children would keep the milk caps they won in games from other players, many school districts considered milk caps a form of gambling.[4][13] Milk caps proved to be major distractions from classes and the source of various playground arguments. These elements eventually led to the banning of milk caps from various schools across North America.[13][14] Other bannings occurred across Australia.[15]
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Name a fad, just assumed it was banned from schools because literally every single thing kids like is always a moral panic every single time. Think about how rapidly demonized pokemon go was and the thousands of articles on all the reasons it was actually bad.
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