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Go to a protest and scream and hit people because screaming feels good and inflicting pain on people you don't like is a thrill.
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EvilJoven posted:Oh I forgot to mention because some of you were all 'dude why would this legal thing make you exempt from employment in government / an office' Yeah, it is absolutely real. My wife googled the new guy at work, and it is likely he is going to get fired in his first week since their customers will absolutely flip their poo poo if they google him too. His acquittal doesn't matter.
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Nov 9, 2017 18:11
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I can't believe how many people in this thread all have stories about being screwed over by cops / the justice system, "false charges",lawyer advice etc, I can tell you in my circle the only people that have a lawyer are drug dealers and chronic DUI'ers.
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Nov 9, 2017 18:16
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patonthebach posted:drug dealers and chronic DUI'ers. Goons.
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ocrumsprug posted:Yeah, it is absolutely real. My wife googled the new guy at work, and it is likely he is going to get fired in his first week since their customers will absolutely flip their poo poo if they google him too. His acquittal doesn't matter. Imagine how my bro in law feels. Google his name + the city he lives in and literally the first hit is an article about him pleading guilty to assaulting a woman in an old folks home. EDIT: I'm actually super lucky that the crown withdrew my charges rather than me actually getting to plead my case. At least nothing bad comes up when you look me up online. EvilJoven fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Nov 9, 2017 18:19
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EvilJoven posted:Go to a protest and scream
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Nov 9, 2017 18:23
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patonthebach posted:I can't believe how many people in this thread all have stories about being screwed over by cops / the justice system, Now imagine how white and wealthy this thread skews. E: ie Lots of people who aren't old stock computer janitors could tell you 10x worse
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Nov 9, 2017 18:31
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Kraftwerk posted:Not denying what you’re saying. While Trump getting elected is objectively bad news, it doesn’t justify the level of histrionics I’ve seen in response. Especially since the very people who are supposed to be opposing him are busy wasting time on the drama rather than the covert attacks on US Bureaucracy and civi services under his watch. The real issues, are extremely boring and difficult to explain in sound bytes but they do way more damage than a twitter account. This is an incredibly privileged opinion
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EvilJoven posted:Go to a protest and scream and hit people because screaming feels good and inflicting pain on people you don't like is a thrill. No wonder you were in trouble with the law.
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Nov 9, 2017 18:34
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Hitting Nazis is actually inherently good under all circumstances, but if you are going to do it you should at least conceal your identity and move with a group of similarly civic-minded citizens, because the police are there to enforce legality, not morality.
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Nov 9, 2017 18:41
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Angry Diplomat posted:Hitting Nazis is actually inherently good under all circumstances, but if you are going to do it you should at least conceal your identity and move with a group of similarly civic-minded citizens, because the police are there to enforce legality, not morality. He didn't say that. He said "inflicting pain on people you don't like" is good. Nazis were not a part of that.
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Nov 9, 2017 18:42
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CLAM DOWN posted:He didn't say that. He said "inflicting pain on people you don't like" is good. Nazis were not a part of that. He didn't say it was good. He said it felt good.
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Nov 9, 2017 18:44
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I would like to see all your examples of people hurting people they don't like at protests that aren't people punching actual Nazis
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Nov 9, 2017 18:45
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^^^ there's regularly violence at all sorts of protests?littleorv posted:He didn't say it was good. He said it felt good. Worthless distinction, obviously he thinks it's good.
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I think he might have put a little irony on that one. But Nazis definitely have it coming. CLAM DOWN posted:^^^ there's regularly violence at all sorts of protests? Cite examples, if you'd be so kind? There is also regularly no violence at all sorts of protests. e: also, if Nazis aren't automatically included under someone's "people I don't like" well, hmm, hmmmmmm, Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Nov 9, 2017 18:47
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I have intense irony poisoning
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Nov 9, 2017 18:48
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No I loving don't think it's good and if you take that post and the two before that as anything other than me expressing my extreme distaste at the fact that I now see the spotlight both on the left and the right being taken up by people on both sides who are screaming nonsense, arguing in bad faith, destroying property, hurting maiming and south of the border sometimes killing each other because of selfish reasons and cheap thrills, actions which are escalating the horrible state of the political climate here south of the border and across the globe, then gently caress you. I haven't hurt anyone. Also I really don't like nazis either.
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Angry Diplomat posted:Cite examples, if you'd be so kind? There is also regularly no violence at all sorts of protests. Sure there is, protests go both ways. Also nah you have access to Google and the news.
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So what are you getting at? I'm confused, it's been a long week. A lot of violence at protests that don't involve fascists seems to either come from or be provoked by the cops, or result from a very long and predictable buildup of anger and tension that the cops had every opportunity to try to defuse but instead responded to with more riot shields and pseudo-military dickwaving, so I'm a bit nonplussed here. Like I'm not trying to poo poo on the cops, but this idea of nihilistic Black Bloc anarchists who show up to protests just to throw bricks is largely a paranoid right-wing fantasy and if another protester tries to convince you to do something to that effect he is absolutely 100% a cop EvilJoven posted:No I loving don't think it's good and if you take that post and the two before that as anything other than me expressing my extreme distaste at the fact that I now see the spotlight both on the left and the right being taken up by people on both sides who are screaming nonsense, arguing in bad faith, destroying property, hurting maiming and south of the border sometimes killing each other because of selfish reasons and cheap thrills, actions which are escalating the horrible state of the political climate here south of the border and across the globe, then gently caress you. Ah yes, there are indeed good people on both sides Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Angry Diplomat posted:So what are you getting at? I'm confused, it's been a long week. I don't know what you're getting at either. Those anarchists/Black Bloc/whatever are definitely a thing, although it's a lot less common than people think.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I don't know what you're getting at either. Those anarchists/Black Bloc/whatever are definitely a thing, although it's a lot less common than people think. I guess we're both confused then? I think I misinterpreted your post as insinuating that left-wing violence at protests was a common occurrence. That's my bad.
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Angry Diplomat posted:I guess we're both confused then? I think I misinterpreted your post as insinuating that left-wing violence at protests was a common occurrence. That's my bad. Nah, I just was saying that it *does* happen, it's not common. I attend a lot of rallies and protests and it does happen.
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Nov 9, 2017 19:02
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It happens but it's not a left vs. right thing, it's just some assholes. America is hosed right now because their democracy has been hijacked by the minority party and now they are trying to strip the remaining few social programs they have to give back to the millionaires that made it possible.
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Nov 9, 2017 19:06
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Hitting Nazis is cool and fine, but I think the point of his comments is that a lot of these people are just looking for something to be angry and outraged about rather than a legitimate concern for the issues.
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Nov 9, 2017 19:08
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Kraftwerk posted:Hitting Nazis is cool and fine, but I think the point of his comments is that a lot of these people are just looking for something to be angry and outraged about rather than a legitimate concern for the issues. Right, but the thing here (wrt in-person protests specifically) is that it's not "a lot of" people, it's a small handful of assholes. There was a pronounced anarchist presence at the Parliament Hill counterprotest I went to recently, and every time some Nazi came by to pick fights they would basically circle around him and mock him, isolating him and hustling him to the edge of the group so they could just shove him out (to be immediately marched away by the cops, natch). They're not stupid; they don't want to give the police an excuse to come down on them. Anybody throwing bricks etc at a previously peaceful protest is either a world-class piece of poo poo or intentionally trying to disrupt the protest. Social media is a whole different thing obviously, but ignorant angry people with a platform is hardly a new dynamic.
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Kraftwerk posted:Hitting Nazis is cool and fine, but I think the point of his comments is that a lot of these people are just looking for something to be angry and outraged about rather than a legitimate concern for the issues. loving finally. Thank you for not being willingly dense, unlike some people.
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We've established that the people that are angry at nothing and smash stuff are assholes and in very small numbers so why is it such a huge concern compared to say the GOP and Trump dismantling American democracy and social programs. They are basically succeeding for the most part where Harper failed here.
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Honestly, it's because of expectations and the reaction the left receives. Quite frankly, people expect the right to be assholes, to implement policies that are all FYGM, to rally up followers based on xenophobia and hate and willful ignorance. Get some dickhead gun toting fat white goober in jogging pants and a confederate flag hat and record him harassing and even assaulting someone for being black or gay or not supporting the dumbest of republican ideals and people barely bat an eye. It's normal. Now, the left, on the other hand, is supposed to be full of virtue, absent of hate, educated restrained and well spoken. When a leftist puts on a mask and goes on a tear, hurling insults and swinging fists and being at all vile and nonsensical it makes the news, for weeks. If that person gets physical with the wrong person it ends up being the single event that the right rallies around and passes back and forth in it's echo chambers until all of a sudden at the next protest some douchebag is running over a crowd killing people. It's not fair. It's an uphill battle and it's not as easy, but we simply aren't allowed to exhibit the same behavior or use the same tactics as the other side because while them acting like them strengthens them, when we act like them it weakens us. It's not loving fair, but it's the way it is. To think otherwise will just continue to make the left lose even more ground than it already has.
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DariusLikewise posted:America is hosed right now because their democracy has been hijacked by the minority party and now they are trying to strip the remaining few social programs they have to give back to the millionaires that made it possible. Trump got a majority with 48% of the popular vote. Trudeau got his with 39%. We've got the best fascists here, we really do. Outstanding fascists, the prettiest most charismatic fascists. We got the guy who can say with a straight face that hunger for electoral reform has really died down with him in power so why bother? A+ fascists I tell ya.
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It was 'an honour' to be pulled over by Const. John Davidson, says Abbotsford man of slain officer They considered the title "put the cop genitals directly into my mouth" before they realized it would be too on the nose
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Trump got a majority with 48% of the popular vote. Trudeau got his with 39%. We've got the best fascists here, we really do. Outstanding fascists, the prettiest most charismatic fascists. We got the guy who can say with a straight face that hunger for electoral reform has really died down with him in power so why bother? A+ fascists I tell ya. I appreciate your posts. Our system is just as bad, but for different reasons. The Presidential vote is bad, but could be easily alleviated by doing a run-off vote or simply making electoral college votes based on PR within states. It's the US House and Senate which are hosed, projects are showing that the Democrats need at least a 60% popular vote to get a simple majority in the House and giving each State exactly 2 seats in the Senate regardless of population blows my mind. However that's still not as stupid as the leader of the lower house picking individual Senators.
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Bububut by not being elected senators are supposed to be able to give all tabled bills under consideration a sober second thought!
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BattleMaster posted:It was 'an honour' to be pulled over by Const. John Davidson, says Abbotsford man of slain officer Ha Ha, someone died at work! Hilarious! ACAB am i right? Was going to make some kind of point that I hope you wouldn't joke about a guy dying at work if he was a miner that died in a collapse or a rig worker that died in a fire, but you probably would do. patonthebach fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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That cop sounds like a good guy but I'd be willing to bet my bank account that he at least once during his career turned a blind eye to another cop doing something terrible that severely hosed up the life of an innocent person. I wish I lived in a place where that would be a stupid bet. EDIT: Also the 2 years was total time where my life was severely thrown out of sorts; a few weeks short of a year between arrest and trial, followed by another eight months between trial and arbitration between me and my union and my employer, and then a few months after that of trying to come to terms with what happened while trying to secure employment and get things back to normal. EvilJoven fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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patonthebach posted:Ha Ha, someone died at work! Hilarious! ACAB am i right? I wasn't making a joke, it's weird as gently caress to decide that being pulled over by a cop is an honour just because he died later edit: the situation described in the article is also the kind of situation that results in people being killed by cops for no reason so it sure as poo poo is no honour edit 2: hell the article is just bizarre all around, like the only person they could find to say something nice about the guy was a guy who got pulled over and thought at first he was being harassed for his cultist costume but wasn't so clearly he's a stand up guy? BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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Politics is life or death for a lot of people, it's just that most people don't realize how governance and government affects people daily lives. If you find politics exhausting or whatever then sure take a break from it but that doesn't somehow mean its unimportant. littleorv posted:I have intense irony poisoning Dreylad fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Nov 9, 2017 |
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BattleMaster posted:I wasn't making a joke, it's weird as gently caress to decide that being pulled over by a cop is an honour just because he died later Quit complaining about someone posting about their non-lovely interaction with someone who was later killed. What the gently caress is wrong with you? This is literally Being a Human 101.
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