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ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Yeah but they’re not goons

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berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003
In a surprising non-poo poo, actual SG post, here's a Necromunda and Gang War unboxing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTZPuJWaDuE

EDIT: No old NM gangs included with either, so if you don't like Escher or Goliaths, you're out of luck for the time being.

berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Nov 9, 2017

Shadin
Jun 28, 2009

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

the new one looks like rear end too tho?

The bases are the same and you have no idea what the rules are for the new game coming out (emphasis on New Game), but I'm sure if someone is neckbeard enough to just insist on using miniatures from a dead game from 1988 in a new game in 2017 then they can make it work with the bases.

Also, knock that poo poo off. Aesthetics are subjective, but you know drat well that he meant the new one is technically superior in sculpting and casting than poo poo made decades ago. Just because you don't like the aesthetic of something doesn't mean you can't have a rational, objective discussion about whether one is a superior product in the technical sense.

This Death Thread bullshit is tiresome. Being constructively critical of something you're involved in is cool and good, but threadshitting about anything you can find to get offended about is not. There's several companies I boycott, I've never once considered even reading a thread about products they make, much less posting about them.


berzerkmonkey posted:

In a surprising non-poo poo, actual SG post, here's a Necromunda and Gang War unboxing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTZPuJWaDuE

EDIT: No old NM gangs included with either, so if you don't like Escher or Goliaths, you're out of luck for the time being.

Thank you for not only posting actual content, but posting awesome content at that. The box contents all look badass, especially for the price at $125 MSRP, meaning you'll be able to snag it for about $100 online.

EDIT: I think the old gangs are going to be released via PDF, unless I'm remembering incorrectly. It's been a long year of rumors so I could very well be off.

MrFlibble
Nov 28, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Fallen Rib

Shadin posted:

EDIT: I think the old gangs are going to be released via PDF, unless I'm remembering incorrectly. It's been a long year of rumors so I could very well be off.

There will be a pdf of the old gangs on the website plus I believe the models will come with the rules for that gang, like BloodBowl.

bonds0097
Oct 23, 2010

I would cry but I don't think I can spare the moisture.
Pillbug

Shadin posted:

The bases are the same and you have no idea what the rules are for the new game coming out (emphasis on New Game), but I'm sure if someone is neckbeard enough to just insist on using miniatures from a dead game from 1988 in a new game in 2017 then they can make it work with the bases.

Also, knock that poo poo off. Aesthetics are subjective, but you know drat well that he meant the new one is technically superior in sculpting and casting than poo poo made decades ago. Just because you don't like the aesthetic of something doesn't mean you can't have a rational, objective discussion about whether one is a superior product in the technical sense.

This Death Thread bullshit is tiresome. Being constructively critical of something you're involved in is cool and good, but threadshitting about anything you can find to get offended about is not. There's several companies I boycott, I've never once considered even reading a thread about products they make, much less posting about them.


Thank you for not only posting actual content, but posting awesome content at that. The box contents all look badass, especially for the price at $125 MSRP, meaning you'll be able to snag it for about $100 online.

EDIT: I think the old gangs are going to be released via PDF, unless I'm remembering incorrectly. It's been a long year of rumors so I could very well be off.

necromunda.com has a 'coming soon' spot in useful downloads for legacy gangs

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

bonds0097 posted:

necromunda.com has a 'coming soon' spot in useful downloads for legacy gangs

Awesome - I'm the only one playing either Escher or Goliaths, so we were going to have a few pissed off guys in our group...

EDIT: Gameplay video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGWIcTGKJs (I haven't watched this yet, so I don't know if it's worthwhile.)

berzerkmonkey fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Nov 9, 2017

bonds0097
Oct 23, 2010

I would cry but I don't think I can spare the moisture.
Pillbug

berzerkmonkey posted:

Awesome - I'm the only one playing either Escher or Goliaths, so we were going to have a few pissed off guys in our group...

EDIT: Gameplay video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGWIcTGKJs (I haven't watched this yet, so I don't know if it's worthwhile.)

Presumably soon means by Nov 24 hopefully. Lots of local people with old gangs here too, but at least a couple are buying into the new box, a few are just getting gang wars. Nice thing about the GW boxes is that 1 box can support 2 players if one just wants to get expansions. Shadespire is nice like this too.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

I skipped 100 posts of people complaining about GW and about people comlaining. Did we actually find out anything new for NM or another game, besides the video above?

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Ashcans posted:

I skipped 100 posts of people complaining about GW and about people comlaining. Did we actually find out anything new for NM or another game, besides the video above?

Nope.

Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.

Hamshot posted:

I tried putting mordor shadow of war into my PSX and it doesn't work! How dare sony stop supporting my 20+ year old video game console! They are causing ill will among their fanbase by updating the console model, causing consumers to buy consoles all over again from scratch!
You're close, but you have it backwards. For video games, it's not about supporting the old console, it's about supporting the old games. I am infinitely more likely to buy a new console if it will still allow me to play games I already own for the previous generation console. Frankly, it's one of the genius things about Xbox One - I can play a whole mess of old (and really good) 360 games on it, just by sticking the original media in the slot. It's one of the reasons I don't own a PlayStation - they don't do backwards compatibility outside of a streaming service for which you pay a subscription fee (to be able to play games you probably already bought? gently caress that).

So in this analogy, the console is the rules, and the games are the miniatures. I don't think it's wrong to say people are more likely to buy a new rule-set that allows them to use their old miniatures. Look how over-the-moon old 'hams are for Necromunda. They can't wait to get those delicious, 90's era big-hair sculpts on the table again. And if the new minis are cool, they'll buy those too. Because they are 'hams.

Also, I don't know what peoples' various metas are like, but TheLawinator is right, Epic players here were (are) loving fanatics. Further, it was hugely popular around here, and I know guys who still play it. That Australian dude making Epic scale Sicarans and Valkyries and poo poo wouldn't be doing it if there weren't a market for it.

Maybe it'll be fine and people won't give a poo poo and you'll see goofy-lookin' mixed armies of 6mm and 8mm stuff, I guess time will tell. Because 'hams.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
Just let it go or piss off to the death thread or something. Please. This derail is asinine.

Broken Record Talk
Jul 28, 2009

A three-hundred thousand degree baptism by nuclear fire;
we had it coming.

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

Just let it go or piss off to the death thread or something. Please. This derail is asinine.

This x1000

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
I played another league game of BB, versus Frobbe this time. After restarting the game because accidentally fat-fingered my way into wasting all my team's gold we got off to an interesting start.

My Chaos against his Skaven. He had a Rat Ogre and I'd rented a Minotaur using petty cash. I chose to take the offensive and immediately kick-off gave Frobbe a free turn. My plan in ruins I had visions of being thrashed. However, things took a turn for the Nuffle. Straight away both of our big'uns managed to get themselves taken off the field, leaving me free to punch rats. A ridiculous number of Attacker Down and Both Down rolls came through for both sides, and every time Frobbe threatened to break clear a turnover would occur. Summed up best by one of his guys going Attacker Down, then again on the re-roll and dying.

I managed to scrape a 1-0 victory but that was a tense, and absurd game.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Ilor posted:

So in this analogy, the console is the rules, and the games are the miniatures.

In this analogy, your post is the derail, and you are a poo-flinging monkey on a keyboard.

Nebalebadingdong
Jun 30, 2005

i made a video game.
why not give it a try!?

this is the worst analogy i have ever heard

WorldIndustries
Dec 21, 2004

TKIY posted:

In this analogy, your post is the derail, and you are a poo-flinging monkey on a keyboard.

this is the best thing to come out of the last few pages

Ilor
Feb 2, 2008

That's a crit.

TKIY posted:

In this analogy, your post is the derail, and you are a poo-flinging monkey on a keyboard.
I accept this. :derp:

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

berzerkmonkey posted:

Awesome - I'm the only one playing either Escher or Goliaths, so we were going to have a few pissed off guys in our group...

EDIT: Gameplay video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGWIcTGKJs (I haven't watched this yet, so I don't know if it's worthwhile.)

Anyway, I watched this now and I think its worthwhile if you want to see the gameplay. It's a very small tight game, which seems fine for demo purposes. A lot of the base mechanics for hitting and wounding are the same, but it is changed to alternating activation which I think is a really good move. In addition, they normal turn order is discarded in favor of actions, so you can choose to move and shoot, or shoot and then move, or aim and shoot, which I think was also a really good choice. Now you can decide to take a pot shot and then fall back if you didn't pin/wound, and combined with the alternating activations seems like it will make for more more interesting and reactive gameplay - also avoids those situations where one gang gets a good position and basically wipes out the other in their turn.

Shadin
Jun 28, 2009
Speaking of Blood Bowl (and other GW goodness): https://www.humblebundle.com/store/promo/games-workshop-sale/

Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



Shadin posted:

Speaking of Blood Bowl (and other GW goodness): https://www.humblebundle.com/store/promo/games-workshop-sale/

This is great!

Also, poor DoW 3...

Shadin
Jun 28, 2009

Lord_Hambrose posted:

This is great!

Also, poor DoW 3...

I've heard it's not a bad game and has gotten better, but I could never get past videos of the guy doing like 15-20 feet high somersaults wearing Terminator armor. It looked like anime.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Shadin posted:

Speaking of Blood Bowl (and other GW goodness): https://www.humblebundle.com/store/promo/games-workshop-sale/

Hmm, may pick up Armageddon. Thanks!

EDIT: Holy poo poo, it's cheap to buy games in Russia!

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Counterpoint: you get to live in Russia.

and I'm salty over HURRR DURRR GROGS HATE EVRRYTHING NEW INCLUDING THE RULES strawmanning. everybody agrees that all specialist games needed a rules update. and nobody said that they should reprint the same models as 15 years ago.

Is this thread to talk about the new LoTR/THE HOBBIT CINEMATIC MOVIE UNIVERSE GAEM (TM) (C) (R) (BSDM) Battle Companies ruleset? Did anyone play it when it was originally released? Is it true that people play LoTR in England? How boss would it be to get a goblin team to feed to the elves or have some cool Uruk Hai?

It took me until today to understand that "orruks" is just a Chinese knockoff Specialman version of uruk. Ugh.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

Shadin posted:

Also, knock that poo poo off. Aesthetics are subjective, but you know drat well that he meant the new one is technically superior in sculpting and casting than poo poo made decades ago. Just because you don't like the aesthetic of something doesn't mean you can't have a rational, objective discussion about whether one is a superior product in the technical sense.

sorry im not gonna put a lot of effort into an argument when its presented as "thing x looks like poo poo, im glad its going away"

doesnt matter if its a no effort shitpost or a long winded sincere argument, it will only be met with mocking and derision by the nu gw fanclub

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009
2mm lol

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
Stop sucking your vintage models for dead games. They were made from lead, and it is showing.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



Remember when Blood Bowl was a 14 years dead game nobody cared about?

It seems like they've made LotR / Hobbit gaming deliberately impregnable. I found an absurdly cheap army of those elephant-having guys, and then 1) couldn't figure out which rulebook I needed, 2) couldn't find a copy of their oop army book, and 3) realized nobody in my state still played it.

They 're rad Arabian nights style fantasy villains so it not like I wasted the money, but holy poo poo guys. This is why nobody plays LotR.

Shadin
Jun 28, 2009

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

sorry im not gonna put a lot of effort into an argument when its presented as "thing x looks like poo poo, im glad its going away"

doesnt matter if its a no effort shitpost or a long winded sincere argument, it will only be met with mocking and derision by the nu gw fanclub

Ah yes, we're all the ones shitposting and you can't post anything worth reading because us in the "nu gw fanclub" will just mock poor little you and deride your amazing content filled posting.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003
More NM stuff from War of Sigmar (Emphasis mine)

quote:

Andy Hoare:

Project manager,
Specialist Games Team of seven - started last year with Blood Bowl.
They were working on Necromunda since a long time.
Favorite game of Andy, still plays it.
When all the plastic terrain was ready he asked his boss to do a new Necromunda and they said Yes!
They are talking about Underhive no the 3D campaign today - next week is about the Supplement book.

Background:
First version was Confrontation in WD.
Then 1995 classic boxset, played since then.
Revisited in 2000 by the old fanatic studio.
Dedicated groups are still playing the old version today.
Andy Hoare group plays it, house rules it, amends it, created new stuff.

Models:
Duplicate sprues but 10 different models can be made!
2 for each gang.
Objectives and tentacle sprue,
traps (used with gang tactic cards)
Priority marker.
Hatches and doors: designed to fit with zone mortalis and other FW scenery.
Rules book: you need it, even if you want to do 3D only. Underhive is a complete game.
9 tiles same size as Zone Mortalis tiles.

Andy says:
They played Necromunda so much on mortalis that the 2D tiles weren't a compromise.
Beta tester really liked the game in 2D, and it didn’t felt like a starter set used to learn the game.
Even if you see square on the tiles you still use inches in game, so it’s really necromunda on tiles.


Punch counter:
-Ready and pinned counter are recto verso
-Pre generated gangs are on cards to get started super fast.
-Fire is back in the game,
-You can go prone and remove fire.
-Vision arcs: because models have facing (like warmachine)
-place a duct between walls to go through it - you can even launch a grenade, fire through it etc.
-Lot of skills allow you to by pass overwatch, backstab ppl.

Custom dice:
-2 sets
-Gang specific dice. (adding pics soon)

Cards:
22 blank cards
Are already laminated !!!! so you can erase
Gang tactics: Generics, esher, goliath. Future gang will get future cards.
They have extra set of gang tactics cards ready to sell, not the same in the box, they are extension cards.

Differentiation:
Andy Hoare plays rogue trader all the time !! so he added the old stat (int and all) to grant a lot of different options/
Stat line of different gangs set them apart and with gangs tactic’s they play really different.

Zone Mortalis bases, designed to match the tiles of the boards but also with details of mechanicus
terrain.

Book:
Can’t buy the rulebook on it’s own. Because dice needed, but good values.

LEGACY RULES:
PDF on the web site, live on the game release date, for orlock, van sar, etc.. but only for the weapons the original metal models got. So don’t get too hyped.

Future
Orlocks are next year.
One plastic team every quarter +possible few wd, pdf article.
Brand new gangs are hyped.
John blanche made a book a of 80pages of fluff but the book went missing. And then new archivist of GW TIM found this book for andy. SO LOT OF inspiration.
Box set available in: eng, fren, german.
They have stock of the box - don't be scared, you should get your box if you pre-order.

/////////////
Rules:
Total rewrite of the rules for underhive. Gang war 3D, is built on the underhive rule set.
It’s a "I go, you go": “interleave turn” system. So you can active more than 1 models (no details on how).

Gang tactics:
All scenario use them in a different way : choose, drawn at random, weak side can draw more or choose. There is a lot of granularity with these.

Dice:
Fire power dice : Each time you roll to hit, you roll 1+ fire power dice (depending on the weapon). Work as a sustained fire dice and ammo dice.

Red tiles: The box is a necromunda loading dock. It’s a training room at start and will be used for multiplayers 3+ (pit fight style) or future scenario.

Lvl up:
Gangs are more than the 15 players you used to have in necromunda classic.
Now you can select a crew before each scenario.
Specialist, juvie and champion get skills, gangers can’t but can be promoted to champ or specialist.
Rules for juvie will be in gangs war book, with a lot of importance. If the juvie survive a few games it became the star of the gang(no more details but lot of hype around the juvie.)

WW preparing a map of underspire in 3D.

Gang war games use a 4by4 size table.

Support class: doc, ratling cook, ….(4 planned)
FW upgrade are already on the way to new weapons, iconic item …
House weapons blitzer will be made with rules to them !
They want to make rules for everything possible to allow kitbashing a goliath with a driller !
Champions are the new heavy !

Genestealer and Chaos Cults will get rules down the line. Maybe quite early via online or WD!!
All the Genestealer Cult weapons are usable by all other gangs too, so have fun kit-bashing stuff!

Not hyped about the one gang per quarter - I think two per would have been better, or at least start off with four gangs to offer some variation. Very happy to hear about GSC.

JcDent
May 13, 2013

Give me a rifle, one round, and point me at Berlin!
Well, besides the rulebook inconvenience, all rules look like good rules. I don't even mind the 2D, my FLGS might not have that much terrain anyways.

Zone Mortalis board integration just seems bizarre, tho.

ED: Hype about shooting some stupid rear end cultists (Chaos or GSC, don't matter) in their traitor faces.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

JcDent posted:

Zone Mortalis board integration just seems bizarre, tho.
Eh, it's a product they sell, so I get that. Plus, the corridor system eliminates the need for a lot of terrain - you simply can't shoot outside the corridors. At least it's cardboard and included in the game.

Also, just a thought, NM with Space Hulk Tiles. :unsmigghh:

Galaspar
Aug 20, 2006
Will reign this way again
Mostly great news, except I've just painted up an orlock leader with a plasma pistol. That wasn't an option they made in metal, so guess he'll be on the bench for now.

berzerkmonkey
Jul 23, 2003

Galaspar posted:

Mostly great news, except I've just painted up an orlock leader with a plasma pistol. That wasn't an option they made in metal, so guess he'll be on the bench for now.

I don't think anyone will care, unless you're in a competitive environment. I use metal gangers all the time and they aren't always holding the proper weapon - as long as it looks similar (is it a pistol or a long gun?) and you have it written down, you should be cool.

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

I actually like the cardboard 2D option. It will be good for people to jump in and play immediately - Necromunda isn't the sort of game like Warhammer where you could get by with a handful of random objects on the table, it really wants appropriately dense terrain. Short of returning to the old box, the corridor system is a good way to handle that. It also means that you can pack everything up and have a compact box that lets you travel and demo it relatively easily, so you can bring it to the store and play without also having to transport tons of multilevel terrain.

Kung Fu Fist Fuck
Aug 9, 2009

Shadin posted:

Ah yes, we're all the ones shitposting and you can't post anything worth reading because us in the "nu gw fanclub" will just mock poor little you and deride your amazing content filled posting.

nah i just like laughing at people who wrap their sense of worth around a companys products

Shadin
Jun 28, 2009

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

nah i just like laughing at people who wrap their sense of worth around a companys products

Yes because that’s a thing that anyone has done here thus far.

Safety Factor
Oct 31, 2009




Grimey Drawer
Noted Age of Sigmar thread OP, Kung Fu Fist gently caress.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

I played another league game of BB, versus Frobbe this time. After restarting the game because accidentally fat-fingered my way into wasting all my team's gold we got off to an interesting start.

My Chaos against his Skaven. He had a Rat Ogre and I'd rented a Minotaur using petty cash. I chose to take the offensive and immediately kick-off gave Frobbe a free turn. My plan in ruins I had visions of being thrashed. However, things took a turn for the Nuffle. Straight away both of our big'uns managed to get themselves taken off the field, leaving me free to punch rats. A ridiculous number of Attacker Down and Both Down rolls came through for both sides, and every time Frobbe threatened to break clear a turnover would occur. Summed up best by one of his guys going Attacker Down, then again on the re-roll and dying.

I managed to scrape a 1-0 victory but that was a tense, and absurd game.

Sounds like near replay of our first game.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:

nah i just like laughing at people who wrap their identity around vehemently hating a companys products

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Lord_Hambrose
Nov 21, 2008

*a foul hooting fills the air*



I am really excited that buying this game will also help me have a Zone Mortalis board as an added bonus on top of the great new Necromunda game.

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