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thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

met the local PHON candidate today while walking the dogs. she's taken out a partial mortgage on her home to pay for election expenses, which is kind of sad. we managed to find common ground in health and DV policy, and also being insulted by the LNP running a paper candidate.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 00:29

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 02:19

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Imagine calling someone a terrorist in a big man youtube vid only to have your mum call the paper and give you a spray/tell them you have autism lmao

# ? Nov 10, 2017 00:33

StudlyCaps: Oct 4, 2012

JBP posted:

Imagine calling someone a terrorist in a big man youtube vid only to have your mum call the paper and give you a spray/tell them you have autism lmao

He's not the fuhrer, he's a very naughty boy.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 00:44

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

had hitler's mother been alive things may have been very different.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 00:50

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

one of the new senators is being referred to the high court over a citizenship issue....

# ? Nov 10, 2017 01:05

freebooter: Jul 7, 2009

MysticalMachineGun posted:

How do you keep missing the point by such a wide margin? The majority of this thread hate the Libs, think they barely scraped in last election and are counting the days until Turnbull hits 30 losing news polls and gets the arse. Adhering to this law - emphasis on law - has already claimed the scalp of Malcolm "stupid fuckhead" Roberts and may bring down the entire Turnbull government.

It's got nothing to do with facism, authoritarianism or xenophobia. It's a big stick to whack the pollies with and considering if Centrelink fucks up and miscalculates your income through no fault of your own you'll get legal action, robocalls and your details leaked to the press, the least they can do when they either willingly or through ignorance violate the constitution - you know, the thing that MPs need to swear by - is go and get hosed.

I'm not saying some of the current crop shouldn't face consequences (not all - Frydenberg's case in particular is ludicrous). I'm also not saying I don't enjoy something which could bring down the Turnbull government.

But it's precisely this attitude - the thing which you began your counterpoint with! - that is dumb and tribalistic and myopic. You should be able to look at laws in isolation: is this a reasonable way to run things? You should also consider what might happen if we had a hypothetical ALP/Greens coalition government and the shoe was on the other foot, with the Libs close to taking power in an early election because some Greens backbencher didn't realise their obscure ancestry entitled them to apply for citizenship.

It was a dumb law when Ludlam and Waters had to resign, and it's no less dumb just because it's now claiming Liberal scalps. If you think otherwise you're no better than the American right-wingers who have abandoned any concept of sensible norms and judge everything as fake/bad or good/true through a filter of whether it's in favour of "their side."

And the Centrelink comparison people keep bringing up is specious. Both things are bad. You don't have to approve of a witch-hunt of foreigners in Parliament just because the present, temporary government has done bad things to welfare recipients. You can actually be critical of both!

edit - Part of the reason this all irritates me so much is because I also happen to b a dual citizen and resent the implication, written in law, that dual citizens are somehow less Australian, less trustworthy, less suitable to serve their community and their country. And I think the reaction in a lot of the Australian press and public depends on how Anglo-Saxon you are. Dual citizenship is really, really common (as we are discovering) and by steering deeper into this crackpot 1901 law we're just emphasising how unworldly and xenophobic we are as a nation.

freebooter fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Nov 10, 2017

# ? Nov 10, 2017 01:05

UrbanLabyrinth: Jan 28, 2009; When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence; College Slice

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

one of the new senators is being referred to the high court over a citizenship issue....

Nah, just an "employed by the commonwealth" issue it seems.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 01:13

birdstrike: Oct 30, 2008; i;m gay

freebooter posted:

edit - Part of the reason this all irritates me so much is because I also happen to b a dual citizen and resent the implication, written in law, that dual citizens are somehow less Australian, less trustworthy, less suitable to serve their community and their country.

renounce then

# ? Nov 10, 2017 01:19

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

how much is all this high court citizenship bullshit costing?

# ? Nov 10, 2017 01:37

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

freebooter posted:

edit - Part of the reason this all irritates me so much is because I also happen to b a dual citizen and resent the implication, written in law, that dual citizens are somehow less Australian, less trustworthy, less suitable to serve their community and their country. And I think the reaction in a lot of the Australian press and public depends on how Anglo-Saxon you are. Dual citizenship is really, really common (as we are discovering) and by steering deeper into this crackpot 1901 law we're just emphasising how unworldly and xenophobic we are as a nation.

I agree that it's a dumb, out-dated and yes, xenophobic law. In a new parliament we should look at a referendum to get it changed.

But this current, gutless government that can't even handle a free vote on whether two people who love each other should get married can go and get hosed. If the ALP were in power, had made the same steps as the Libs I'd be saying the same thing.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 01:42

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Why didn't the Libs just go "this is a stupid, antiquated law that is denying voters their favoured representatives and costing millions of dollars and we are going to change this ASAP" then get all the minors and Greens on board using whatever dogwhistles and horseshit it was going to take?

Like they can't even defend their own people adequately.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 01:46

Eediot Jedi: Dec 25, 2007; This is where I begin to speculate what being a
man of my word costs me

Because of their vast and abiding respect for the law and traditions?

# ? Nov 10, 2017 01:50

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

I would rather be seen as a strong, do poo poo villain when it comes to anything in politics than a weak faffer like Turnbull.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 01:54

CrazyTolradi: Oct 2, 2011; It feels so good to be so bad.....at posting.

JBP posted:

I would rather be seen as a strong, do poo poo villain when it comes to anything in politics than a weak faffer like Turnbull.

They tried that with Tony and he didn't even last a full term.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 02:07

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

JBP posted:

Why didn't the Libs just go "this is a stupid, antiquated law that is denying voters their favoured representatives and costing millions of dollars and we are going to change this ASAP" then get all the minors and Greens on board using whatever dogwhistles and horseshit it was going to take?

Like they can't even defend their own people adequately.

It requires a referendum to change the constitution. And while it's all piling up at Turnbull's feet now, the timeline was:

- Two greens realise their error/issue and resign
- Libs (and Labor? Can't remember) go "tut tut, should've had your poo poo sorted, bad luck"
- Multiple MPs (independents and Libs) referred to high court
- Libs try to witch-hunt Labor members with funny names
- Turnbull says Joyce will be exonerated by HC
- Everything goes to poo poo and both sides of politics are presumably digging up dirt on each other to refer as many MPs to the HC as possible

So before they didn't want it changed because:

- it didn't affect them
- it does affect them but the HC will let them off
- the HC didn't let them off but look over there! Labor and independents who are in trouble too! Muuuuuuum!

# ? Nov 10, 2017 02:14

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Ah yeah I blindly ignored the constitution, which is how a strong leader operates.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 02:25

thatbastardken: Apr 23, 2010; A contract signed by a minor is not binding!

strength and constitution are for martial peasants, all a wizard needs is intelligence.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 02:28

snoremac: Jul 27, 2012; I LOVE SEEING DEAD BABIES ON 𝕏, THE EVERYTHING APP. IT'S WORTH IT FOR THE FOLLOWING TAB.

Trigger warning if you're not in the mood for inhumanity. This is in response to living conditions on Manus:

Andrew Bolt posted:

Horrific, but only if you're some work-shy bum too lazy to clean up after yourself.

There are nearly 600 idle blokes at this centre. None of them have time to clean the urinals or wipe down the walls of their own shower?

Exactly who do they expect must clean up after them?

What's horrific here is the sheer laziness and lack of pride. No wonder few Australians take refugee activists seriously when we're expected to feel pity that these men are expected to do the cleaning that most Australians do in their own homes every week.

FTR, this is in response to an article highlighting the lack of running water in the toilets and the wheelie bin wells the prisoners have constructed to have access to water.

This fucker deserves more than glitter and cream.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 02:43

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

quote:

PM risks snap by-election as John Alexander considers resignation

The government is at risk of an imminent blow to its control of the parliament as Liberal backbencher John Alexander considers whether to resign and face a snap by-election on December 16.

The Australian understands Mr Alexander is weighing up the option as he examines his potential status as a British citizen because his father was born in the United Kingdom.

Liberals said the decision to go to an immediate by-election would show voters that the former tennis champion was acting as swiftly as possible after asking the UK Home Office to check on his citizenship status.

However, there is also a strong argument within the government that Mr Alexander should put himself forward when parliament resumes on November 27 and be referred to the High Court along with other MPs, including some Labor MPs, to be considered as a group.

The question is crucial to the government�s control of the parliament in the final sitting fortnight of the year, when the House of Representatives is meant to vote on same sex marriage but could be thrown off course by Labor tactics to challenge the government�s authority.

Mr Alexander did not respond to a question about his intentions on Friday morning and his office said there was no update �at this stage� when asked if he would resign.

The government held 76 of the 150 seats in the House of Representatives after the last election but has lost one seat while Barnaby Joyce fights a December 2 by-election in his electorate of New England after being disqualified by the High Court.

Without Mr Alexander, the government would only have 74 seats with one of its MPs, Speaker Tony Smith, only exercising his vote in rare circumstances. This would give the government 73 votes on the floor of the chamber. Labor has 69 seats and would seek to win over the five crossbenchers to defeat the government.

Two crossbenchers, Cathy McGowan and Rebekha Sharkie, have said they would vote with the government on confidence and supply, making it much more difficult for Bill Shorten to pass a no-confidence motion that would trigger an election.

However, the government would be exposed to defeat on other matters including Labor motions to amend penalty rate laws or set up a banking royal commission.

A key factor in Mr Alexander�s decision is the example set by former Tasmanian Liberal Senator Stephen Parry, who kept his status as a dual citizen secret for weeks until suddenly resigning last week.

A quick decision is necessary if Mr Alexander is to face voters in his Sydney electorate of Bennelong before Christmas. Election rules dictate that at least 33 days must elapse between the issue of the writs for the by-election and the polling day.

December 16 is the last realistic Saturday for a by-election this year, given the following Saturday is two days before Christmas.

This would mean the last day for issuing the writs for the by-election would be Monday, November 13.

Malcolm Turnbull said on Friday morning that MPs should resign if their situation was clear.

�If you are satisfied that you are not constitutionally eligible to sit in the parliament then you should not be sitting there, that�s the fundamental principle,� the Prime Minister told reporters in Vietnam, where he is attending the APEC summit.

�I recognise there are cases that will be line ball decisions or questions of doubt where legal opinions will differ, and those are the cases that should be referred to the High Court.

�After all, we referred Barnaby Joyce. Barnaby referred himself to the High Court. His legal advice, our legal advice, was that he was not disqualified. The High Court took a different view. That�s often how it is in the law.

�But it�s very important that the High Court has the opportunity to determine these cases. It�s the High Court and only the High Court that can determine whether somebody is qualified to sit in the parliament.�

Asked if he had been updated on Mr Alexander�s situation, Mr Turnbull said he had not and that the MP was undertaking further inquiries.

Asked if he had spoken to Governor-General Peter Cosgrove to give an assurance he could provide stable government in parliament, Mr Turnbull said he �never, ever� commented on discussions with the Governor-General.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...26f54cf720bb50d

# ? Nov 10, 2017 02:51

Bald Stalin: Jul 11, 2004; Our posts

The only reason we had an election and lost is because of this bullshit citizenship debacle. Nothing to do with our lovely policies and lack of leadership. The adults were in charge and the economy was humming but that constitution crap only helped Labor steal power.

- Liberals in 6 months

We continue to stop the boats

- Labor in 6.1 months

# ? Nov 10, 2017 03:31

Night Shade: Jan 13, 2013; Old School

StudlyCaps posted:

From the ABC article on the Spider-Man and Elsa videos.
Reminder they pre-screen the comments.

I took the youtube kids app off the old ipad I lend my daughter over that crap, it's been going on basically since Google released the app. The worst part is that the messed up poo poo shows up in the recommended next list, and even I couldn't tell the difference from the thumb half the time :/

She has kids iview and a netflix profile set to the lowest age group. Kids iview is great.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 03:50

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Seriously what was going on with that pregnant spiderman video?

# ? Nov 10, 2017 03:53

Tasmantor: Aug 13, 2007; Horrid abomination

People in the automation thread are saying it's either generated by algorithms or by people working off algorithmically generated scripts and titles.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 03:56

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Why doesn't Disney shut it down?

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:01

drunkill: Sep 25, 2007; me @ ur posting; Fallen Rib

Disney don't won Spiderman... yet.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:06

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Nah don't these videos basically use all sorts of characters from everything under the sun? Surprisingly no one cares?

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:10

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Tasmantor posted:

People in the automation thread are saying it's either generated by algorithms or by people working off algorithmically generated scripts and titles.

Trabisnikof posted:

dear god

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f37LA3NLapI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkMhFBfjQ5A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=463F4_K3FGg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urwLg3HPjQc

oh my god

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:10

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:13

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

no option for 'I was forced to get nbn or have no home internet connection' though

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:24

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

. There's no option for "Where's my nbn, the building next door has it, how hard is it to drag a cable an extra 5m you scum fucks

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:31

SadisTech: Jun 26, 2013; Clem.

My NBN experience on the old Foxtel HFC network has been pretty poor so far. I can't complain about the speeds - they are in fact as advertised. But the connection stability is loving appalling, with pings spiking as high as 650 ms every few seconds. I was a big online gamer. I can't do it any more without tearing my hair out. And there is no other option.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:37

Bald Stalin: Jul 11, 2004; Our posts

ha ha ha there's no legal requirement to provide low latency. Only advertised bandwidth. Stupid plebs.

but in order for me to provide accurate medical advice I need low latency

NO REQUIREMENT!

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:38

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Ranter posted:

ha ha ha there's no legal requirement to provide low latency. Only advertised bandwidth. Stupid plebs.

but in order for me to provide accurate medical advice I need low latency

NO REQUIREMENT!

Playing Mercy is not medical advice.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:43

go_banana: Oct 13, 2010

My experience with the NBN has been near flawless.

Note: I have FTTP.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:52

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

I have FTTB NBN and it owns.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:53

G-Spot Run: Jun 28, 2005

We also have fttb. Hope you never have to move though because we are looking and it's loving dire out there.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:56

Mad Katter: Aug 23, 2010; STOP THE BATS

Yeah, FTTP owns.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 04:59

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

G-Spot Run posted:

We also have fttb. Hope you never have to move though because we are looking and it's loving dire out there.

I had a valuer in recently and I hope they just want to buy another investment property because I like where I live

# ? Nov 10, 2017 05:04

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

The YouTube situation is basically because the site is Newgrounds with less porn and less moderation, and used for absolutely everything from corporate official marketing to music videos to blogger turf wars to deranged autistic fetish animation. They have no interest in providing a curated experience. You can't and shouldn't leave your kids alone with it.

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# ? Jun 10, 2024 02:19

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Everyone I know under 35 with a child blocks the living poo poo out of the internet until it's basically 5 white listed sites, but my friends are all sick deviants that know the price of parental laxity.

# ? Nov 10, 2017 05:14

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