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Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004

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It is insane to me that a wired connection has higher latency than LTE/phone for gaming. But then again, Trumpbull...

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Dude McAwesome
Sep 30, 2004

Still better than a Ponytar

Chiming in to say that FTTP is the bomb and it’s loving criminal that every single premise (within reason) in Australia doesn’t have FTTP.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBWf6Zvn0jQ

EoinCannon
Aug 29, 2008

Grimey Drawer
Around the time the NBN (HFC) came to my street, my adsl connection turned really shithouse.
Obviously they're completely separate cables but in the depths of my frustration I want to believe it's a conspiracy to get me to switch over... for some reason :shrug:
It's a rental and I'll be moving out next year so I CBF getting nbn right now

Bald Stalin
Jul 11, 2004

Our posts

This is it. I am now officially old and don't understand something that is happening in popular culture.

Please tell me this video, wherein some guy comments on other random weird rear end videos, is not normal. Please.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
Define normal

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




Perpendicular to the direction of propagation

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Not going to lie, I'm about to get blazed as gently caress and switch on kids Youtube.

Endman
May 18, 2010

That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even anime may die


Knobb Manwich posted:

Didn't specify what day they turned up mate.

In public housing if they turn up the same month it's due, that's a win :smith:

Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

JBP posted:

Not going to lie, I'm about to get blazed as gently caress and switch on kids Youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyQKi1e3GSY

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

JBP posted:

If you know idiots with children and they do not walk the internet like a seasoned goon, tell them to get Family Zone. I understand it works well when it comes to locking them out of the fun stuff.

I have a job interview with FamilyZone on monday, good to know they arent total shite.

Also, is there any way to tell where the node is in my area? They have commenced the build and I wanted to know how hosed im going to be.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




SadisTech posted:

My NBN experience on the old Foxtel HFC network has been pretty poor so far. I can't complain about the speeds - they are in fact as advertised. But the connection stability is loving appalling, with pings spiking as high as 650 ms every few seconds. I was a big online gamer. I can't do it any more without tearing my hair out. And there is no other option.

My parents are having issues on HFC where it'll be sitting at 10 MBPS about 90% of the time and the remaining 10% will be these 30-second-or-more jags of sub 500k, particularly in peak, with the router logs even showing four or five 'ISP disconnect' events a night in peak hours.

The ISP controls the router so I'm sure they'll patch out our ability to see that soon.

I expect we'd be seeing the same issues as you with ping if I still lived there and gamed. And hell, they were early adopters in their area. This HFC area is probably only just getting started to get congested.

They're already wanting to know if they can go back to ADSL, and I think we're ultimately going to end up in situations where a lot of HFC people will be demanding their non-NBN DSL connections back because of better performance.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:36 on Nov 10, 2017

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Did the ALP say they were going to go back and fix all the FTTN/HFC connections and convert them to fiber to the curb or whatever? Or are the people with HFC stuck with it now?

I gather FTTC won't be as good as FTTP but at least it is within the realms of affordability if you desperately want to get a full fiber connection, instead of having to pay to run fiber from the nearest node.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

gay picnic defence posted:

Did the ALP say they were going to go back and fix all the FTTN/HFC connections and convert them to fiber to the curb or whatever? Or are the people with HFC stuck with it now?

I think they are leaving poo poo as it is

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

NPR Journalizard posted:

I have a job interview with FamilyZone on monday, good to know they arent total shite.

Also, is there any way to tell where the node is in my area? They have commenced the build and I wanted to know how hosed im going to be.

Good luck bud. I think the only way to locate the node is to walk around looking for the box and use national map or whatever to figure out the service area.

There might be a better way but last time I checked you need to locate the green box and use a speed tracker or whatever to narrow it down. The speed things will at least tell you if you are near one or totally hosed though.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




You Am I posted:

I think they are leaving poo poo as it is

Fixing it after what's been done would be a hideously expensive clusterfuck probably as expensive as doing the original Labor NBN from scratch and just abandoning the already sunk billions, maybe even more with broken contracts (not sure where things are with that). The Libs screwed us incredibly deep.

That said, technologically HFC is going to hit the usability wall before the rollout is even complete, I can't see how they'll be able to do nothing. I'm not kidding when I say people will probably be migrating off HFC NBN to old ADSL2+ if they can soon.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Nov 10, 2017

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005
They can't, they shut off the old services after 18 months of NBN availability. It would require a change of that policy/legislation and ISPs will probably be against it because it puts them on the hook for increased uplink charges again.

NPR Journalizard
Feb 14, 2008

JBP posted:

Good luck bud. I think the only way to locate the node is to walk around looking for the box and use national map or whatever to figure out the service area.

There might be a better way but last time I checked you need to locate the green box and use a speed tracker or whatever to narrow it down. The speed things will at least tell you if you are near one or totally hosed though.

I did find http://nbnmtm.australiaeast.cloudapp.azure.com/nbnmtm.html which at least gave me a little bit of hope. Dont know how accurate its going to be though.

ili
Jul 26, 2003


This is hosed. The copper in my area is so rooted I get less than 1mbps in the dry and frequent dropouts or complete loss if it's rained recently, so I'm on hfc. Getting nbn hfc rolled out in the next few months. No chance I can roll back to adsl because it's garbage and from everything I've read nbn hfc is garbage too.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
Ssshh, the adults are in charge

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
I know people with HFC and they reckon it's "ok" but it's not NBN.

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
I'm still on Optus HFC and it's gotten a lot worse in the last few years, I don't want it get even more worse on nbn

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

NBN day 2. Seems to be better at some tasks, i.e. grabbing single items. Chokes badly if it's trying to multitask. :iiam:

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

First dog economics:

starkebn
May 18, 2004

"Oooh, got a little too serious. You okay there, little buddy?"
:thejoke:

I like that it is in a frame of her holding the football ready to pull it away

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




"The words you're looking for are 'Oh, good grief'" - an actual good American president

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
https://twitter.com/PhillipCoorey/status/928916562475606016

albo-on-the-retirement-of-max-the-axe.txt

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

JBP posted:

I know people with HFC and they reckon it's "ok" but it's not NBN.

Sadly 99.9% of the council I live in is HFC. Sticking with Telstra Cable until I get booted off.

starkebn posted:

I'm still on Optus HFC and it's gotten a lot worse in the last few years, I don't want it get even more worse on nbn
I've always heard bad things about Optus Cable, even though they had better caps than Telstra

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil

You Am I posted:


I've always heard bad things about Optus Cable, even though they had better caps than Telstra

There's a reason that NBN co threw away the Optus network after buying it and seeing how poo poo it was

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

JBP posted:

I know people with HFC and they reckon it's "ok" but it's not NBN.

I'm on the Unlimited 25mb/s pack from TPG over HFC and it's been fine. Download speed is fine, bandwidth is fine and I haven't noticed like mega lag spikes, but I also don't play CS:GO.
That having been said, every now and then there'll be this period where the connection just drops at random like 3 or 4 times a day. Calling TPG reveals that it's because of NBN "works" projects or some bullshit in the area.

It's less than great but it is what it is. I will say that 4K from mobile tethering on my phone is *so much* better than the wires.

Don Dongington
Sep 27, 2005

#ideasboom
College Slice
I have 100/40 with iiNet at my current place and 50/20 with Aussie Broadband at the place I'm moving into shortly. Both fttn.

For everything other than Steam (which is mirrored by iiNet), the 50mbit connection is faster.

gently caress iiNet/TPG.

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
Violent scenes have erupted at a Sydney fundraising event for Tony Abbott, with protesters clashing with police and guests, including the former prime minister's sister.

Several hundred protesters outside the event in Redfern confronted invited guests, including Mr Abbott's sister Christine Forster, whose jacket was ripped as she struggled through the crowd.

Ms Forster was forced back from the entrance until police formed a ring around her and pushed their way through the crowd.

The protest is being held to oppose Australia's offshore detention system and will be attended by Immigration Minister Peter Dutton.

Both Mr Dutton or Mr Abbott eluded the protesters and were not seen entering the event.

One protester was pushed over by a man arriving at the event before police were able to intervene.

Another guest, who did not want to be named, told AAP he believed the protesters were "doing more harm than good for their course".

NSW police confirmed at least one person had been arrested during the protest.

Greens Senator Lee Rhiannon, who was at the protest, defended the protesters and said the refugees on Manus Island needed to be evacuated.

"What was full-on was the police, the police have mishandled tonight," Ms Rhiannon told AAP.

"We're here standing with the 600 men on Manus Island, I'm angry, so many people are angry."

Hundreds of men have been holed up in the Manus Island detention facility for more than a week after it was shut down.

A showdown is looming at the centre with PNG authorities warning they will use force to remove barricaded asylum seekers.

The men believe it's safer to remain in the compound than risk being attacked by locals at new facilities near the main township of Lorengau.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




How unlike Abbott to sell out his sister and let her take the brunt of the protest while he slinks in and out of a secret entrance. It's almost like he's a massive coward.

drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib

MikeJF posted:

That said, technologically HFC is going to hit the usability wall before the rollout is even complete, I can't see how they'll be able to do nothing. I'm not kidding when I say people will probably be migrating off HFC NBN to old ADSL2+ if they can soon.
Isn't it great that the majority of Australians will be getting internet via the Telstra/Foxtel PayTV HFC network which was rolled out 20+ years ago and skipped many smaller streets, cul de sacs and houses with long driveways? Also foxtel will still be delivered via those cables so the bandwidth available for internet is limited.

G-Spot Run posted:

They can't, they shut off the old services after 18 months of NBN availability. It would require a change of that policy/legislation and ISPs will probably be against it because it puts them on the hook for increased uplink charges again.
When people start dying because health monitors and alarms stop working and there is no communications during a power outage (fire or flood) they will be forced to stop turning off the legacy network for a period of time. This will probably take a year or so to eventuate as they flick the switch on more suburbs.

Schlesische posted:

I'm on the Unlimited 25mb/s pack from TPG over HFC and it's been fine. Download speed is fine, bandwidth is fine and I haven't noticed like mega lag spikes, but I also don't play CS:GO.
That having been said, every now and then there'll be this period where the connection just drops at random like 3 or 4 times a day. Calling TPG reveals that it's because of NBN "works" projects or some bullshit in the area.

It's less than great but it is what it is. I will say that 4K from mobile tethering on my phone is *so much* better than the wires.
And now you and your area can get NBN, wait for the 18 months since activation which is when the old network is switched off and everybody is forced onto the HFC network, enjoy your limited bandwidth because you're sharing the same phycial wire with your entire street/block and take up reading or gardening during peak times when the network crawls.

drunkill fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Nov 10, 2017

Stoca Zola
Jun 28, 2008

I was pissfarting around on a "service finder" type web tool looking at whether there was any chance the school I work at would get NBN any time soon. For my site it says NBN is "Not possible", "unserviceable" and NBN Voice is "not possible", and same for both the phone lines we have. All the residential areas around have been rolled out and in service for months. So is NBN not ever going to be available to the school? What are our voice services supposed to be when full cut over happens? We're on wifi for the school internet and its barely adequate despite only just having been upgraded.

The education department is supposed to handle cutting over when the time comes so it isn't really my concern, someone beyond my paygrade will have to sort it out. Just incomprehensible to me that schools and other public services weren't any kind of priority. I guess schools can't vote, though. Anyway for my own interest I emailed someone at NBNCo asking about the status of the site. No reply yet.

Stoca Zola fucked around with this message at 12:59 on Nov 10, 2017

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

Lid posted:

Another guest, who did not want to be named, told AAP he believed the protesters were "doing more harm than good for their course".

yeah i’m sure the kind of hideous subhuman freak who attends a fundraising event with tony abbott and peter dutton would have been convinced of the inhumanity of manus and nauru if only the protestors were more polite

Lid
Feb 18, 2005

And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.
All this nbn talk and suddenly rememberibg tony wabted to be remembered as tge infrastructure pm

BBJoey
Oct 31, 2012

tories can only conceive of infrastructure as roads and mines

you’d think given the importance of objectivism they’d be into trains but even that is a bridge (haha) too far

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drunkill
Sep 25, 2007

me @ ur posting
Fallen Rib

Stoca Zola posted:

I was pissfarting around on a "service finder" type web tool looking at whether there was any chance the school I work at would get NBN any time soon. For my site it says NBN is "Not possible", "unserviceable" and NBN Voice is "not possible", and same for both the phone lines we have. All the residential areas around have been rolled out and in service for months. So is NBN not ever going to be available to the school? What are our voice services supposed to be when full cut over happens? We're on wifi for the school internet and its barely adequate despite only just having been upgraded.

The education department is supposed to handle cutting over when the time comes so it isn't really my concern, someone beyond my paygrade will have to sort it out. Just incomprehensible to me that schools and other public services weren't any kind of priority. I guess schools can't vote, though. Anyway for my own interest I emailed someone at NBNCo asking about the status of the site. No reply yet.

Places deemed too difficult will be skipped and looked at in a few years time as infill installs. People with long driveways are getting this treatment, either being put on fixed wireless or to the back of the queue.

What, you expect the Liberal National Party to invest in Public Schools? hah.

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