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JeffersonClay posted:if the insurgent left can not overcome the massive institutional bias of stickers on tables at fundraisers, well Isn't this the Republican excuse whenever they use their institutional control of election boards in red states to make it more harder for Democrats to win.
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Jethro posted:The balance is currently 52-48. Well gently caress me. Second part of comment still holds.
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VitalSigns posted:Isn't this the Republican excuse whenever they use their institutional control of election boards in red states to make it more harder for Democrats to win. 
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Nov 10, 2017 17:16
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He literally brought it to USPol. Cool.
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Nov 10, 2017 17:21
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Chilichimp posted:He literally brought it to USPol. Cool. who brought what?
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Nov 10, 2017 17:23
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he posted that in the trump thread and someone told him to take it to uspol not literally, mind you
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Pollyanna posted:he posted that in the trump thread and someone told him to take it to uspol ah i see Chilichimp posted:He literally brought it to USPol. Cool. it's sad that you started crying in the trump thread cause someone posted something mean about liberals embracing mcmuffin (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Nov 10, 2017 17:32
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Condiv posted:it's sad that you started crying in the trump thread cause someone posted something mean about liberals embracing mcmuffin They love to do that. "Take it to the bad thread, no wrongthink allowed in our bubble!"
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IMO it's pretty sad state of affairs if a state party is in such dire shambles that it cant go without fundraising for the frontrunner in primary months without becoming strapped for cash.
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Nov 10, 2017 17:39
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WampaLord posted:They love to do that. "Take it to the bad thread, no wrongthink allowed in our bubble!" The gently caress? this is also in my bubble. I just don't want another dumb socialists-hate-liberals derail in the thread where we're all dunking on Trump and, right now, a literal child molester who's about to be a senator and there's not much we can do about it.
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Nov 10, 2017 17:43
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Chilichimp posted:there's not much we can do about it. So then why focus on it so much? Why get so angry about people who dare to bring up something else?
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Nov 10, 2017 17:49
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WampaLord posted:So then why focus on it so much? Why get so angry about people who dare to bring up something else? A guy can dream, Wampa. I gave some money to his opponent this morning.
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Nov 10, 2017 17:51
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Chilichimp posted:The gently caress? this is also in my bubble. I just don't want another dumb socialists-hate-liberals derail in the thread where we're all dunking on Trump and, right now, a literal child molester who's about to be a senator and there's not much we can do about it. why do you discuss this in the trump thread? it's not the republicans thread is it?
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VitalSigns posted:Isn't this the Republican excuse whenever they use their institutional control of election boards in red states to make it more harder for Democrats to win. IMO it’s probably a bad sign if the insurgent left is already making silly equivalences between gerrymandering and ~*stickers*~ to explain an upcoming defeat.
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Talmonis posted:Oh good, the oh so helpful "allies" return. Don't you have a college campus you're supposed to be annoying with badly typed literature? You're operating off of a strange and inaccurate stereotype of the left that reminds me of the one I had back when I was in college. Like, "college students handing out pamphlets" isn't even the stereotype most people opposed to the left use any more (the newer stereotype is white male IT workers or something). edit: Regarding the whole sticker thing, it doesn't seem to be any sort of unethical rigging or whatever, though supporting Manchin should still be protested just because of Manchin being bad. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Nov 10, 2017 |
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JeffersonClay posted:IMO its probably a bad sign if the insurgent left is already making silly equivalences between gerrymandering and ~*stickers*~ to explain an upcoming defeat. You're an idiot if you think that the state party support of him extends only to stickers. Especially when you/nevvy have pointed out that this sort of institutional support for the frontrunner in state elections isn't uncommon. This is natural when people start putting as much attention on state politics as you'd like; they start being vocal about practices they find unfair. You can't hope for higher turnouts but also complete ignorance of the party going-ons.
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Neurolimal posted:You can't hope for higher turnouts but also complete ignorance of the party going-ons.
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Neurolimal posted:You're an idiot if you think that the state party support of him extends only to stickers. Especially when you/nevvy have pointed out that this sort of institutional support for the frontrunner in state elections isn't uncommon. it's amazing to me that the very people who argue so hard and so long that we should always choose the lesser evil are explicitly arguing in favor of giving the greater evil in a race massive institutional advantages. it's almost as if they support the dem's continual slide right
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Chilichimp posted:The gently caress? this is also in my bubble. I just don't want another dumb socialists-hate-liberals derail in the thread where we're all dunking on Trump and, right now, a literal child molester who's about to be a senator and there's not much we can do about it. But you see, these attempts to control the course of conversation are precisely what lead to huge liberalism v socialism slap fights. Feel free to talk about how Roy Moore is a pedophile, but don't lecture people about how it's the only acceptable issue to talk about in this thread right now. It can be one of many discussions going on in tandem
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the very same people who say you must vote democrat or you don't care about women or minorities are now saying that it's ok for the dems to boost this:quote:Only one day after the Center for Public Integrity’s reporting series on denials of black lung benefits to coal miners was awarded the Pulitzer Prize, Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) defended the controversial law firm at the center of the investigation. over a west virginia mother who has been protesting this kind of environmental abuse that's killing families for years. they say it's ok to boost this: quote:The West Virginia Democrat’s daughter, Heather Bresch, is chief executive of the company, which appears to have hiked the price of the epinephrine auto-injector by 400 percent since 2007. The device, which is used to treat severe allergic reactions, now costs more than $600 per dose. over a west virginia mother who is trying to make sure healthcare is a universal right in america so mothers won't have to worry their kids will die of allergic reactions we've had the medicine to treat for decades. do the people who are supporting the dems rigging the primaries for manchin actually care about women, children and minorities? they clearly do not. rather, they only care about team D winning, no matter the cost. it's a team sport for them, not an attempt to improve things or protect people.
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Chomskyan posted:But you see, these attempts to control the course of conversation are precisely what lead to huge liberalism v socialism slap fights. Holler at me when someone posts a meme calling out socialists for being worse than or as bad as Republicans.
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Chomskyan posted:But you see, these attempts to control the course of conversation are precisely what lead to huge liberalism v socialism slap fights.
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Nov 10, 2017 18:48
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Neurolimal posted:
"No, no. More people voting should mean JUST these numbers improving on my poll graph. If it leads to greater engagement and transparency, it's no fun at all. Maybe we should start looking into election fraud and some form of voter ID to deal with this...." If I didn't live in a country where the US dollar is so expensive, I'd so toxx on a liberal bringing up voting primary restrictions in a year or so when their pet primaries start going in unpredictable ways.
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Condiv posted:the very same people who say you must vote democrat or you don't care about women or minorities are now saying that it's ok for the dems to boost this: Purge? Purge? Guys, we ready for a good purgin? Lets fire it up... the coal engine, cuz we've got some pitchforks and torches and this train's headed to coal country!
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Chilichimp posted:Holler at me when someone posts a meme calling out socialists for being worse than or as bad as Republicans. That's quite the double standard you've got going on, well done.
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Neurolimal posted:This is natural when people start putting as much attention on state politics as you'd like; they start being vocal about practices they find unfair. You can't hope for higher turnouts but also complete ignorance of the party going-ons. Yes, people are paying more attention to party politics, and are apparently realizing that incumbents have institutional advantages. This is true in every political party that has ever or will ever exist. That’s something people looking to co-opt existing political parties should be well aware of, and so an outsider attempting to primary and incumbent whining about stickers and elected democrats saying nice things about her opponent really comes off as babby’s first election. To her credit, she does apparently realize how to agitate the Condivs of the world into a tizzy about rigged elections, so it’s not like she’s without any guile at all.
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Falstaff posted:That's quite the double standard you've got going on, well done. How so?
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Chilichimp posted:He literally brought it to USPol. Cool. Hey, you asked. 
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Chilichimp posted:Holler at me when someone posts a meme calling out socialists for being worse than or as bad as Republicans. The meme actually said that liberals hate socialists more than fascists. Which is uh, not exactly an unfair accusation
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Huzanko posted:Hey, you asked. You my guy, guy!
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JeffersonClay posted:Yes, people are paying more attention to party politics, and are apparently realizing that incumbents have institutional advantages. This is true in every political party that has ever or will ever exist. "This happens in every race in both parties" doesn't suddenly mean it's a good thing. No policy is sacred or immune to critique. It's worthy of criticism because it skews the primaries. You can argue if that's a good or bad thing, but you cant (or at least should not) attempt to use its widespread existence as its justification for existence.
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Chomskyan posted:The meme actually said that liberals hate socialists more than fascists. Which is uh, not exactly an unfair accusation Maybe I need to follow a maxim that I learned interacting with TGRS posters and just "not assume every criticism of a group is aimed specifically at me." Because bruh... I loving -hate- fascists.
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Chilichimp posted:Maybe I need to follow a maxim that I learned interacting with TGRS posters and just "not assume every criticism of a group is aimed specifically at me." Would be nice if you could get some more liberals on board with that.
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Neurolimal posted:"This happens in every race in both parties" doesn't suddenly mean it's a good thing. No policy is sacred or immune to critique. Leftists incumbents enjoy the same party and election advantages that shitheads like Joe Manchin get. If you're able to win an open primary and get elected, you're gonna keep that seat for a long time unless the district voting dynamics change or the base bucks you for a candidate they like more, in which case there's not a drat lot "the party" can do about it.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Would be nice if you could get some more liberals on board with that. AM I EVEN A LIBERAL?!?!?! 
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Chilichimp posted:How so? The meme you're talking about says that Liberals reserve more hate for Socialists than they do for Fascists. It doesn't say Liberals are the same thing as Fascists or are worse than Fascists (and personally I'd tell anyone making that kind of claim that they're pretty drat broke-brained), it just talks about relative hatred levels. It also has the benefit of being true in a lot of cases, though you could argue whether or not that's true among Liberals as a whole. Meanwhile, you need an explicit "as bad or worse than" coming from the other side to bother criticizing it. That's a double standard.
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I think it's fair to say that liberals hate anyone who questions or challenges their sense of moral superiority, left or right, and will happily accept support from anyone who plays along with their sense of moral superiority, left or right
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It's even better coming from the right because that means """compromise""" and """moderation""" and all the other trappings of appearances over principle.
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icantfindaname posted:I think it's fair to say that liberals hate anyone who questions or challenges their sense of moral superiority, left or right, and will happily accept support from anyone who plays along with their sense of moral superiority, left or right quote:Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free markets, civil rights, democratic societies, secular governments, gender equality and international cooperation. Much of the disagreement seems to revolve around the bolded. I also doubt many liberals even know what liberalism is or means - they just know or think they're not racist or homophobic or sexist and that's good enough.
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