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Ace of Baes posted:don't pretend Chinese people aren't insanely racist against Filipino, Vietnamese, Indians etc. I didn't.
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Nov 11, 2017 01:11
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Jeb! Repetition posted:So what are the specific material realities under which racism is good? "i saw a chinese person being racist" isn't the same thing as actual government policy which codifies racism it isn't the presence of racist people that makes the united states a white supremacist state
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Nov 11, 2017 01:22
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R. Guyovich posted:"i saw a chinese person being racist" isn't the same thing as actual government policy which codifies racism lol wat
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Nov 11, 2017 01:29
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cultural racism and racism of individuals occupying spaces of power plays a huge role in America being a white supremacist state
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Nov 11, 2017 01:30
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Racial discrimination is against the law in the US, ergo there is no racism, checkmate liberals - the conservative homeex
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Nov 11, 2017 01:31
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if everyone in America stopped being racist would that solve racism? (No but it'd do a hell of a lot)
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Nov 11, 2017 01:33
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Ace of Baes posted:cultural racism and racism of individuals occupying spaces of power plays a huge role in America being a white supremacist state "the existence of racist people in and of themselves doesn't make a nation white supremacist" "oh yeah but what if one of those people....is the president"
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Nov 11, 2017 01:40
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i didn't think i needed to spell out the people i was referring to hold no formal power and it's the individuals in government, the institutional and historical supports and the founding documents of the country that make it white supremacist but here we are.
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Nov 11, 2017 01:42
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You're pulling out of the exact same apologist playbook, that you would 100% reject whenever people use it for the US. Which justifies my claim before, that you're distributing moral culpability according to what makes you feel comfortable, what is convenient for you, not what is self-consistent.
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Nov 11, 2017 01:49
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rudatron posted:You're pulling out of the exact same apologist playbook, that you would 100% reject whenever people use it for the US. Which justifies my claim before, that you're distributing moral culpability according to what makes you feel comfortable, what is convenient for you, not what is self-consistent. no, you're just determined to do this weak-rear end gotcha poo poo rather than treat my perspective as one which comes from a study of history and the observation of material reality. you're hellbent on framing this in your terms and are no different than everyone else who pathologizes opinions other than their own
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Nov 11, 2017 02:03
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There's no material reality that justifies racism, because race doesn't have a material basis. You can try to bullshit your way through it, but any attempt for you doing so is easy to spot, because people already do that poo poo, so there's plenty of examples to pull from.
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Nov 11, 2017 02:09
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who's justifying racism? i'm saying there's a difference between individualized or cultural racism and racism in the actual political infrastructure of a country. drawing that distinction doesn't make one "good" compared to another
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Nov 11, 2017 02:15
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You know how Spencer and co what to create a white ethno state? China is that, but Han. Ethnic minorities are only tolerated, if they already lived in the land before China annexed it, and sometimes not even then. Their answer to ethnic unrest in outlying areas, is to flood then with more han settlers, until han > minorities, because that's the easiest answer. That's the reality of the situation, that's the bullshit your trying to excuse.
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Nov 11, 2017 04:39
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All of that is actual policy, and even if it weren't, you can't clearly separate the culture of a society from the state, that draws its members from culture. You wouldn't accept cop out if we were talking about the US, but you're happy to use it here, on China.
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Nov 11, 2017 04:42
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Ace of Baes posted:lol wat China Good US Bad
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Nov 11, 2017 04:49
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R. Guyovich posted:who's justifying racism? i'm saying there's a difference between individualized or cultural racism and racism in the actual political infrastructure of a country. drawing that distinction doesn't make one "good" compared to another So what you're saying is, non-Han in China are well-represented in government unlike minorities here, have similar economic conditions to Han, are treated fairly by the justice system, are not the target of other discrminatory written or unwritten institutional practices, etc
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Nov 11, 2017 04:53
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yo homex how many ethnic minorities are on the politburo standing committee i'll spare you the googling, it's zero. the cabinet of literal white supremacist donald trump is more diverse than xi's standing comittee. one of the members is a guy from hunan who got parachuted into tibet as party secretary, then transfered to xinjiang to be party secretary there, literally a minority-oppression specialist
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Nov 11, 2017 05:08
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:don't conflate racism and xenophobia. which one is it when they claim that non-chinese are biologically incapable of learning the language(s)
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Nov 11, 2017 05:10
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R. Guyovich posted:why should anyone take what you have to say seriously when you can't even get basic facts right lol so in 1980 or so the province was like 80%-90% uighur now it's 45% uighur/40% han can you not loving see where the trend lines are going?
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Nov 11, 2017 05:21
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also in prc it's true that ethnic minorities have some privileges ethnic hans dont' get: like in theory you it's easier for you to get into college and you are exempt from one-child policy. but claiming that means the uighurs or tibetans gets treated fairly in china is like saying here's no racism in america because affirmative action exists
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Nov 11, 2017 05:23
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Jeb! Repetition posted:So what you're saying is, non-Han in China are well-represented in government unlike minorities here, In areas where many minority people live, special "autonomous" governments at the provincial, county and village level try to give minorities more control over their own affairs. A certain percentage of government officials in those areas are required to come from minority populations. In the Hui autonomous region in central China, for example, each government department must be at least 30 percent Hui (a Muslim minority), because the local population is just over 30 percent Hui. The governor is always Hui, and at least two of the five vice governors and all department directors must be Hui. No tax money collected in these autonomous areas has to be sent to Beijing - it can all be invested locally. Jeb! Repetition posted:have similar economic conditions to Han, Nevertheless, Chinese-style affirmative action is comprehensive and so far-reaching that America's similar policies appear trifling by comparison: -- There are free elementary, middle and high-school-level boarding schools and special college-preparatory classes for minority children. -- Minority children can get into a university with exam scores 20 to 30 points below the minimum score for Han children. -- A separate network of segregated universities exists only for minority students. -- Though most Han in urban areas are limited to one child per family, minority families can have two, and in rural areas many are legally allowed three. In practice, many minority families simply have as many children as they want. -- No-interest loans are offered for small minority businesses. -- Businesses are officially encouraged to hire minorities. -- A comprehensive, bilingual-education program aims at helping minorities learn Chinese. Meanwhile, scholars are creating alphabets for minority languages that had no writing systems to help ensure that these languages do not die. Jeb! Repetition posted:are treated fairly by the justice system Two years ago, at about the same time that students demanding democracy were shot, Chinese Moslems demonstrated to protest a book that they said defamed them. The authorities responded not by crushing the demonstrations but by arresting the author and banning the book. To be sure, the Moslems were demanding not democracy but suppression of another viewpoint, but the fact that the Chinese listened to the protest at all is an indication of how seriously the ethnic groups are treated. Jeb! Repetition posted:are not the target of other discrminatory written or unwritten institutional practices, etc Some Han complain that the preferences are unfair, but there is little noticeable resentment against affirmative action policies in China. A main source of tension in Xishuangbanna in recent years has been the establishment of state-owned rubber plantations in minority areas. Nearby villages complain that the plantations take their land, and village children get in fights with the children of the Han Chinese plantation workers. The fights escalate, and the police sometimes are beaten when they try to intervene. "Those tensions have declined dramatically," said Tian Jiaxiang, who is a Dai and deputy governor of Xishuangbanna. He said, and some local villagers agreed, that the disputes had been reduced by readjusting land and giving villagers a share of the income from the plantations.
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Nov 11, 2017 05:31
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i suspect guyovich's China experience would be very different if he was a black dude (or any person of color)
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Nov 11, 2017 05:36
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i bet it would be different if he was uighur or some brown muslim looking person
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Nov 11, 2017 05:37
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:which one is it when they claim that non-chinese are biologically incapable of learning the language(s) Dumbasses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSQJcC5B1-Q Brother Hao is a true renaissance man. He's academically trained as an engineer but pursued singing, which caused his father to disown him. In addition to being fluent in English and Mandarin, he's also fluent in Hebrew. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 05:43 on Nov 11, 2017 |
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Nov 11, 2017 05:40
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Fallen Hamprince posted:yo homex how many ethnic minorities are on the politburo standing committee recently retired committee member liu yunshan is mongol and the cpc standing committee is a party org. the state council, the actual cabinet analogue, has multiple minority members
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Nov 11, 2017 05:41
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shrike82 posted:i suspect guyovich's China experience would be very different if he was a black dude (or any person of color) The main thrust of the last few pages is how awful it is that China won't throw open its doors for citizenship to white men, lmao.
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Nov 11, 2017 05:43
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Typo posted:lol so in 1980 or so the province was like 80%-90% uighur it was 73 percent in 1955. obviously more han have settled there since then but the region is still 60 percent muslim
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Nov 11, 2017 05:43
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china has issues but i wouldnt blame them for banning americans
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Nov 11, 2017 05:47
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Holy moly
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Nov 11, 2017 06:01
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By the way,, if you think "China is full" India is way worse. The population density there is off the charts, and they're well on the way to overtaking China's population in absolute numbers.
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Nov 11, 2017 06:14
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Holy moly cpc minority membership stands at 7 percent, one away from exact parity with the general population, and the npc has 14 percent minority deputies, almost twice the percentage of minorities in the population. now compare minority membership in the us congress, lol (60 percent white population, 80 percent white congress) Pener Kropoopkin posted:By the way,, if you think "China is full" India is way worse. The population density there is off the charts, and they're well on the way to overtaking China's population in absolute numbers. the best argument for the success of a chinese-style socialist market economy is india's situation. they have a similar size population but haven't had near the growth china has, and a poverty rate of 22 percent compared to china's 6.5 and dropping (as of 2012!)
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Nov 11, 2017 06:21
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R. Guyovich posted:the best argument for the success of a chinese-style socialist market economy is india's situation. they have a similar size population but haven't had near the growth china has, and a poverty rate of 22 percent compared to china's 6.5 and dropping (as of 2012!) Nehruvian socialism was just a big fat failure, and paved the way for market forces to hold most of the country back. StashAugustine posted:pener is that smax patch compatible with vanilla smac? i have both versions on gog, and id prefer to play wo the new factions/wonders I just got back to my home pc, and the zip for Yitzi's original 3.5 patch does indeed have the Terran.exe in it. You should also install PRACX on top of that.
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Nov 11, 2017 06:28
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i actually kinda think china is cool and yall aruging china bad are dumb. china IS bad but who cares?
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Nov 11, 2017 06:47
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Did the Human Hive actually have an ideology? I haven't played SMAC in at least a decade, and all I can remember are the
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Nov 11, 2017 06:47
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Autism Sneaks posted:Did the Human Hive actually have an ideology? I haven't played SMAC in at least a decade, and all I can remember are the All of the factions have a clear ideology, even the SMAX factions. The Hive is a blend of ancient Chinese Legalism and Maoism, that sees the temporary sacrifices of humanity as necessary for its eventual liberation even from base material existence. It's an absolute authoritarianism whose end goal is Eudaimonic, although Thought Control could end up being an equally valid choice. In SMAX, the Cybernetics are transhumanists, the Data Angels are left wing anarchists, the Nautilus Pirates are right wing anarchists, the Drones are left wing communists, and Cult of Planet is New Age occultism if the spiritualistic nonsense was actually a real psionic link with the neural consciousness of Planet. Cult of Planet is what everyone pretends the Gaians are.
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Nov 11, 2017 06:58
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:All of the factions have a clear ideology, even the SMAX factions. The Hive is a blend of ancient Chinese Legalism and Maoism, that sees the temporary sacrifices of humanity as necessary for its eventual liberation even from base material existence. It's an absolute authoritarianism whose end goal is Eudaimonic, although Thought Control could end up being an equally valid choice. Yang also has a hard on for Nietzche, but he inverts his theory, for Yang the nihilstic Last Man is the ideal. Data angels are more edgy cyberpunk hackers, they were more inspired by the 90's optimistic view of the internet, rather than any actual anarchism. The drones are apparently syndicalists in presentation. Edit: it's important to understand that the base game factions were definitely taken from the geopolitical ideologies of the time. The expansion got a bit more imaginative with the ideologies, for better or worse. Dreddout has issued a correction as of 07:12 on Nov 11, 2017 |
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Nov 11, 2017 07:09
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Cult of Planet is New Age occultism if the spiritualistic nonsense was actually a real psionic link with the neural consciousness of Planet. Cult of Planet is what everyone pretends the Gaians are. i basicically didnt play smax but i never really got how cult of planet was ideologically different from the gaians
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Nov 11, 2017 07:24
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American minorities also have plenty of on-paper programs and such, but all that is belied by their actually-existing experience. minorities in china get less resume callbacks than ethnic han: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/2193-9039-1-12 african migrant workers in china are accused of 'carrying ebola and aids' by politicians, and discrimination is rife and socially tolerated: https://qz.com/945053/china-has-an-irrational-fear-of-a-black-invasion-bringing-drugs-crime-and-interracial-marriage/ they've banned the uyghur language in xinjaing (after massive race riots that killed about ~2000 people): http://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyghur/language-07282017143037.html and then there's tibet, which we don't even have any information on, because reporters aren't allowed in, but all signs point to 'it's poo poo' Again: had the same standards we used to judge the US, been applied to china, you wouldn't be defending it. Baloogan posted:i actually kinda think china is cool and yall aruging china bad are dumb. china IS bad but who cares? Pener Kropoopkin posted:The main thrust of the last few pages is how awful it is that China won't throw open its doors for citizenship to white men, lmao. rudatron has issued a correction as of 07:56 on Nov 11, 2017 |
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Nov 11, 2017 07:51
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rudatron posted:my goal is more about getting homeex to admit hypocrisy, even if i know that's a fool's errand. this is extremely succ just let them have fun in china
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Nov 11, 2017 07:59
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lmao of course home ex comes to post loads of words about how genocide is cool and good because china is doing it
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Nov 11, 2017 08:01
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