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boner confessor posted:lol no wonder your perspective is so skewed, you're a useless middleman I own the restaurant.
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"there's never gonna be an app that can handle the complexities of the legal system" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm1SFYz5HSc
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Magius1337est posted:"there's never gonna be an app that can handle the complexities of the legal system" they handle the complexities of the legal system by giving it to actual lawyers
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Nov 10, 2017 22:59
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boner confessor posted:lol no wonder your perspective is so skewed, you're a useless middleman To be fair, lots of people are "useless middlemen". The fact that jobs aren't very productive isn't evidence against the case that lots of office space is going to be sitting empty.
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How is a guy that owns a business a middle man? I sell things from one company to another, I'm a useless middle man
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glowing-fish posted:To be fair, lots of people are "useless middlemen". The fact that jobs aren't very productive isn't evidence against the case that lots of office space is going to be sitting empty. yes but that is because of economic factors i've touched on, and not because of one particular goon discovering how to make a living for himself while indulging his agoraphobia Gumbel2Gumbel posted:How is a guy that owns a business a middle man? I sell things from one company to another, I'm a useless middle man he's a franchisee, a business model that works on it being easier to just let someone else do all the work while you take a cut off the top
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Magius1337est posted:companies are getting smaller and the barrier to entry is a lot higher, no one is going to build new office buildings for awhile They're building tons of new office space some places, a lot of companies are relocating away from miserable suburban office parks and to more attractive places, or out of decaying dated 70's and 80's office parks and into new buildings because disposable architecture or some other city raced to the bottom faster than another to entice them to move. I work closely related to architecture and construction and we can barely keep up with all the new office and retail going up. Malls doing huge expansions, new "lifestyle centres" or whatever we call strip malls these days, but now they're 2-3 stories because there's some office or apartments above, it's almost a given that any new strip mall will have some condos and an office/professional building as part of the project. And tons of new class A office space, there's a real shortage here. So tons of office construction downtown but also a surprising amount of new office going up in the suburbs too. They don't build any of these office buildings without an anchor tenant or two already secured so there's never a question of demand.
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boner confessor posted:he's a franchisee, a business model that works on it being easier to just let someone else do all the work while you take a cut off the top you're describing the life of the franchise owner, not the franchisee who does all the actual work
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Baronjutter posted:I work closely related to architecture and construction and we can barely keep up with all the new office and retail going up. Malls doing huge expansions, new "lifestyle centres" or whatever we call strip malls these days, but now they're 2-3 stories because there's some office or apartments above, it's almost a given that any new strip mall will have some condos and an office/professional building as part of the project. And tons of new class A office space, there's a real shortage here. So tons of office construction downtown but also a surprising amount of new office going up in the suburbs too. They don't build any of these office buildings without an anchor tenant or two already secured so there's never a question of demand. vacant office space couldn't possibly be because of oversupply entering the market in order to keep up with demand, as that would mean my preconceived opinions are wrong. no, it must be that people increasingly shut themselves in their bedrooms and never leave, which is the trajectory of my life thus far  call to action posted:you're describing the life of the franchise owner, not the franchisee who does all the actual work dude is bragging itt about how little work he does, read the thread Magius1337est posted:I sit at home and watch the closed circuit tv and check inventory and sales with an all-in-one program, my accounting is practically all automated. at this point it's practically a video game
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these are jobs that used to be handled by like several people that you used to have to hire, now I can sit at home and fill in excel spreadsheets and save myself a lot more money and I don't need an office, hell I could expand to several stores larger and still not need one anyone who has some sort of small or medium sized business is going to have incentive to keep their number of professional employees small
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thats great and all but have you considered that your personal experiences do not map to the whole of the economy? because i'm pretty sure that you have not
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boner confessor posted:thats great and all but have you considered that your personal experiences do not map to the whole of the economy? because i'm pretty sure that you have not why does a plumbing business need to hire a personal accountant nowadays or hire a firm to do it when paychex does it for easier and cheaper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rW_-Oonpg
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In some places retail is booming, in others there's abandoned malls all over the place. In some places a small "entry level" house costs a million dollars and rental vacancy rates are under 1%, in others you can buy a big nice house for 50k and the city is grappling with coming up with enough money to demolish so many abandoned houses. In some places vast office parks sit empty because of a wide variety of factors, in others they can't build office buildings fast enough to meet demand to the point that the city worries they're going to end up driving companies away due to the shortage of space. It's hard to give big sweeping claims to economic trends as the specifics are often extremely regional. Either way climate change "late stage capitalism", and automation will make things extremely hard to predict but it won't be pretty.
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Magius1337est posted:why does a plumbing business need to hire a personal accountant nowadays or hire a firm to do it when paychex does it for easier and cheaper lol "why does a business need to hire an accounting service when they can hire an accounting service" you're lucky a subway franchise practically runs itself
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boner confessor posted:lol one of these is a physical person sitting in an actual office somewhere, the other is on my cellphone
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boner confessor posted:you're lucky a subway franchise practically runs itself Why are you being such a poo poo to this poster for no reason?
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Magius1337est posted:one of these is a physical person sitting in an actual office somewhere, the other is on my cellphone you do realize there are people on the other end of that phone, right quote:Paychex, Inc. is an American provider of payroll, human resource, and benefits outsourcing services for small- to medium-sized businesses. With headquarters in Rochester, New York, the company has more than 100 offices serving approximately 580,000 payroll clients as of May 31, 2014. paychex, inc. employs nearly 12,700 people who sit in offices, it's not a magical portal to the accounting realm lol
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boner confessor posted:lol All the accounting happens in the cloud, not in an office!! I get what he's saying though. What used to be a more local industry that required lots of local office space has been replaced by far more centralized tech companies that can do the same job with far less staff. This means unless you live where companies like paychex physically exist, your region is going to see a drop in total office space demands. So places that do have a decent tech industry are seeing a boom in demand for office space, but places that do not are seeing a huge drop off.
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Baronjutter posted:What used to be a more local industry that required lots of local office space has been replaced by far more centralized tech companies that can do the same job with far less staff. This means unless you live where companies like paychex physically exist, your region is going to see a drop in total office space demands. So places that do have a decent tech industry are seeing a boom in demand for office space, but places that do not are seeing a huge drop off. that's just a restructuring of the physical portion of the service industry though. and it's not like business services need to be in the heart of the valley, companies like adp can have branch offices anywhere. paychex hq is in rochester ny, which is one of the poster childs for postindustrial malaise
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Baronjutter posted:All the accounting happens in the cloud, not in an office!! exactly, but not only this now we have the fact that these digital solutions can service practically hundreds of customers at a time while the local guy could only handle dozens, the barrier to entry is a lot higher
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Magius1337est posted:exactly, but not only this now we have the fact that these digital solutions can service practically hundreds of customers at a time while the local guy could only handle dozens, the barrier to entry is a lot higher Yep, eventually you just get a few huge players with essentially monopolies and the whole reason they became so successful in the first place goes away as the jack up prices or lower service quality because who are you going to turn to?
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Baronjutter posted:Yep, eventually you just get a few huge players with essentially monopolies and the whole reason they became so successful in the first place goes away as the jack up prices or lower service quality because who are you going to turn to? The bigger issue is that everything related to Payroll or Sales Taxes is so loving complicated people can't compete. Both systems are complete poo poo in this country and need ground up redesigns.
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ya but you could always make some sort of accounting software in visual basic
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Magius1337est posted:exactly, but not only this now we have the fact that these digital solutions can service practically hundreds of customers at a time while the local guy could only handle dozens, the barrier to entry is a lot higher lol that you think business services firms were invented by the internet. the roots of towers watson go back to the 1870's my dude Xae posted:The bigger issue is that everything related to Payroll or Sales Taxes is so loving complicated people can't compete. cleaning toilets isn't complicated but people still subcontract that out to specialists
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boner confessor posted:lol that you think business services firms were invented by the internet. the roots of towers watson go back to the 1870's my dude Yeah, but you can go into business cleaning toilets pretty easily. There are barely any barriers to entry. Building a system capable of doing payroll or sales tax in the US has an insane barrier to entry because of the complexity. The barrier to entry is what allows small group of rivals to control and market and not compete. They are insulated because it would take tens or hundreds of millions to even start competing with them.
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Baronjutter posted:Yep, eventually you just get a few huge players with essentially monopolies and the whole reason they became so successful in the first place goes away as the jack up prices or lower service quality because who are you going to turn to? boner confessor posted:that's just a restructuring of the physical portion of the service industry though. and it's not like business services need to be in the heart of the valley, companies like adp can have branch offices anywhere. paychex hq is in rochester ny, which is one of the poster childs for postindustrial malaise And more importantly, he's probably paying a tenth as much as a full-time employee. Every time he outsources something to a service like this, that's .9 fewer people in an office job. So instead of 15 office jobs for every hundred restaurant employees, there might be 2. Exact numbers made-up, of course. You don't get that kind of savings on a very large business, but on a small business where you don't actually need all those people to be full-time it's a huge reduction.
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Xae posted:Building a system capable of doing payroll or sales tax in the US has an insane barrier to entry because of the complexity. The barrier to entry is what allows small group of rivals to control and market and not compete. They are insulated because it would take tens or hundreds of millions to even start competing with them. there are a shitload of local accountants that rely on small fish for their market, i dunno what economy you're talking about where you only have a choice of a few monolithic business service titans to handle your payroll being a CPA is like being a lawyer, you can join a big firm if you want or you can hang out your shingle and go into business for yourself Dylan16807 posted:But since it's all over the internet, there's less need for most of the paychex employees to be in an office. they don't need to be in an office near their customers but i guarantee most of them are in an office somewhere for at least 80% of the work week Dylan16807 posted:And more importantly, he's probably paying a tenth as much as a full-time employee. Every time he outsources something to a service like this, that's .9 fewer people in an office job. So instead of 15 office jobs for every hundred restaurant employees, there might be 2. small businesses have always been able to hire a part time accountant? either you get a floating consultant to handle your payroll/hr/whatever or you hire a local firm to do it as a contractor. the only wrinkle now is that you can do it digitally vs. having a bimonthly lunch meeting boner confessor fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Nov 11, 2017 |
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boner confessor posted:there are a shitload of local accountants that rely on small fish for their market, i dunno what economy you're talking about where you only have a choice of a few monolithic business service titans to handle your payroll For small companies with one or two locations that works. When you're in 50 states and a few territories with a shitload of different benefit schedules you only have a couple of options.
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Xae posted:For small companies with one or two locations that works. ah so now we're talking about small businesses which are too small to justify a full time in house accounting staff but operate multiple locations across many different jurisdictions with differing legal requirements and tax policies, makes sense. i didn't know you were using the example of those kind of large-small businesses, my bad
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boner confessor posted:ah so now we're talking about small businesses which are too small to justify a full time in house accounting staff but operate multiple locations across many different jurisdictions with differing legal requirements and tax policies, makes sense. i didn't know you were using the example of those kind of large-small businesses, my bad Yeah, sorry. To be clear the complexity isn't complying with a jourisdiction's laws and regulations. The complexity is complying with a couple of hundred or thousand different jurisdictions.
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LogisticEarth posted:
said people about every invention ever(personal computers, cell phones etc) there are hurdles. but all this online stuff is pretty new. theyll figure out the hurdles
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Xae posted:Yeah, sorry. in that case tho if you were big enough to have that kind of problem it would probably make sense to have an accounting department if you didn't want to pay aps or apd or whoever
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boner confessor posted:in that case tho if you were big enough to have that kind of problem it would probably make sense to have an accounting department if you didn't want to pay aps or apd or whoever Liability. Governments really don't like it when you gently caress up taxes. So think long and hard about most large organization's ability to execute and deliver on large complex IT systems.
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Magius1337est posted:Malls have expensive rent though No, not particularly. Especially not in comparison to shoving your store into an overblown strip mall or a popular shopping street.
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dbukalski posted:said people about every invention ever(personal computers, cell phones etc) Anything where being able to feel stuff, try something on, or otherwise interact with it(ie. smelling spice blends in a spice store) in person is an advantage will be able keep at least some retail stores alive.
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WampaLord posted:Why are you being such a poo poo to this poster for no reason? im pretty sure the poster hes talking about is the one who couldn't believe people hadn't ever been to nordstroms to be fitted before, and thus deserves all the abuse possible
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fishmech posted:No, not particularly. Especially not in comparison to shoving your store into an overblown strip mall or a popular shopping street. Shopping streets have way more foot traffic and are an actual destination for a lot of high value shoppers. The majority of people at malls are just lookey loos. Some malls have even instituted paid parking to get rid of these people.
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Magius1337est posted:Shopping streets have way more foot traffic and are an actual destination for a lot of high value shoppers. Most of them aren't. No more so than glorified strip malls. And uh, people who are just looking are way more common on shopping streets are you kidding or something. And?
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