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Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

I Love Annie May posted:

https://twitter.com/kmokmos/status/915112146748416000

For those who can't read Japanese, Natsuo Yamaguchi, representative for Komeito in Tokyo, said that his colleagues who sit in opposition parties "are not right in the head".

:ironicat:

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mystes
May 31, 2006

He essentially is saying that they lack intelligence if they can't understand the reasons for dissolving the House of Representatives. I don't think that's quite the same thing.

mystes fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Oct 4, 2017

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


*sad trombone*

Hope Party has lost nearly half its polling support in the Tokyo PR block in one week

https://twitter.com/amycatalinac/status/917574665702428674

edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

Which was the one with Ozawa? I wish he'd just loving gently caress off.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Vagabundo posted:

Which was the one with Ozawa? I wish he'd just loving gently caress off.

That's the Hope Party / Koike's party. I don't think he has been that publicly prominent, people were speculating about his influence behind the scenes but he's still running as an independent

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


icantfindaname posted:

That's the Hope Party / Koike's party. I don't think he has been that publicly prominent, people were speculating about his influence behind the scenes but he's still running as an independent

Ozawa's whole MO has been to knock the LDP out of government irrespective of anything else, so I respect his consistency at least. Not so effective, tho.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


*an even sadder trombone*

https://mobile.twitter.com/ShingetsuNews/status/917722597483094017

I think Koike and Maehara have to go down as some of the most destructively incompetent politicians ever

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 15:09 on Oct 10, 2017

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

Koike at least managed to take Tokyo. Maehara on the other hand...

Frigate Orpheon
Feb 13, 2012
Anyone following the election? Unsurprisingly, it looks to be almost assuredly a rout for the LDP/Kōmeito coalition. Very bad news for those opposed to constitutional revision.

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Langley Esquire said Koike had no interest in becoming PM but her party wanted her to run anyway. They predicted the Party of Hope would fold because it was a bunch of opportunists trying to ride her coattails to supreme power but she had no interest in supreme power.

Is that really a mark of her incompetence?

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Frigate Orpheon posted:

Anyone following the election? Unsurprisingly, it looks to be almost assuredly a rout for the LDP/Kōmeito coalition. Very bad news for those opposed to constitutional revision.

Not really no, it looks like they'll lose a few seats from what they had going in. They had close to a supermajority to start with. I still don't believe revision will happen until it does

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


https://twitter.com/observingjapan/status/922127679813435393

I Love Annie May
Oct 10, 2012

They reached 310 just now.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
What is the nature, funding, and quality of japanese political polling?

Frigate Orpheon
Feb 13, 2012

icantfindaname posted:

Not really no, it looks like they'll lose a few seats from what they had going in. They had close to a supermajority to start with. I still don't believe revision will happen until it does

I worded my post incorrectly - I meant a rout in favour of the governing coalition. Sure I don't think passing revision will happen quickly or smoothly with the supermajority (which they secured anyway in the previous two elections), but it pays to be cautious. Interestingly, it looks like all the parties lost seats save Edano's CDP.

In related news, the turnout this time looks to be around 53.6% - higher than last time, but still the second lowest showing in post-war Japan's electoral history.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


I mean it's not a rout relative to what was expected going in. The DP was such a shitshow going into the election and Maehara such a dumbass that a complete collapse was a real possibility, and that didn't happen. If Abe had gained a bunch of seats I think revision would be much more likely, as it stands I think it probably won't happen

I wonder what this means for Abe now. Someone on twitter suggested that if his poll numbers keep falling he might be replaced as LDP leader in the spring, although as it stands right now he probably will win a third term. I guess 4 more years of status quo? Olympics is coming up soon, surely something interesting has to happen before then? Maybe that's a monkey paw wish?

Discendo Vox posted:

What is the nature, funding, and quality of japanese political polling?

It's done by major newspapers and news companies for the most part. I'm not sure how it works, but it seems pretty accurate

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Oct 22, 2017

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


The CDP seems to be polling better by a large margin than the DPJ did at any point post-2012

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelTCucek/status/923290716473769984

If only the split had happened a month before the election

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Oct 26, 2017

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

icantfindaname posted:

The CDP seems to be polling better by a large margin than the DPJ did at any point post-2012

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelTCucek/status/923290716473769984

If only the split had happened a month before the election

Interesting but also :eyepop: that an opposition party polling at 17% is an unprecedented level of support

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


The LDP itself doesn't poll more than mid to low 30s

Here's another article with a graph of party and cabinet support rates from 2001 to early this year. DP/J didn't poll more than 10% after 2012



http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASK5V3PWRK5VULZU002.html

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Oct 26, 2017

Mr. Fix It
Oct 26, 2000

💀ayyy💀


A good article from Tobias Harris: https://newrepublic.com/article/145506/bright-side-japans-bleak-election

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010




Interesting and informative read, thank you. I never really thought about the irony of it being the conservatives who want to revise the constitution. It occurred to me as as I read about how certain ex-Democratic Party members had to go elsewhere because they were too liberal which meant they wanted to keep things as is.

But I'm here because I'm curious about something. What exactly is up with the Komeito? Where are they on the political spectrum? All I know is they are a political wing of a new type of Buddhism but that doesn't really tell me anything.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


From what I've read the Komeito is basically a centrist-liberal to slightly right-of-center party. Apparently in the 1960s/70s it had left-wing/anti-American/anti-nuclear foreign policy views, but moderated them in the 1990s. In the 60s and 70s it was an opposition party to the LDP along with the other left-leaning parties but starting in the late 90s it went into a coalition with the LDP and has been in that coalition ever since. It did not join the DPJ government from 2009-2012, and has been an important reason the LDP has stayed in power since the 90s, although after 2012 the LDP has had a 50% majority by itself and doesn't actually need them except for constitutional revision

My impression is that it doesn't really want to revise the constitution and isn't really down with the creepy fascist revisionist stuff in general, but has played along up to now in order to stay in the government and get a cabinet post or two as a reward.

It would in theory be highly desirable, and realistically might be mathematically necessary, for a left-of-center party to court it away from the LDP coalition in order to actually win power, but for reasons I'm not really clear on it hates the Communist Party and refuses to work with anyone who works with the Communists, who are about the same size and whose support is also realistically necessary for any left-wing party that wants to actually win

This is basically the problem the Japanese left has had for 40 years, even with a gerrymandered election system it's had the raw numeric votes to win, but it's been split between multiple parties that hate each other and can't form coalitions. If you compare Japan with Germany in the 1970s, you had basically the same percentage of people voting for the left versus the right, but in Germany the left successfully formed a coalition with a centrist-liberal party very similar to the Komeito (and the Communists were banned in West Germany) and was in power for a decade, while in Japan the socialists were split between three different parties

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_German_federal_election,_1976

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_general_election,_1976

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Oct 26, 2017

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

Japan still a lovely place for women

quote:

日本の男女格差114位に下落 「政治」123位に後退
http://www.asahi.com/articles/ASKC15VTCKC1UTIL03R.html?iref=comtop_8_04

男女格差(ジェンダーギャップ)の大きさを国別に順位付けした「世界経済フォーラム」の報告書が2日付で公表され、日本は144カ国中114位と、前年より三つ順位を下げた。主要7カ国(G7)では今年も最下位だった。

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
So I just had an interview for a job that is a Japanese company. It's owned by Japan but the HQ is in America. 60% of the employees of the place are Japanese.

During the interview, the lady (who was white) spoke about how much better Japanese business culture is as oppose to America's. That there is little disrespect in comparison, bosses value their own employees more and vice versa, CEOs take the first pay cut (gave a Japanese airline as example), workers aren't fired as often, much less gossiping, etc.

How true is this?

punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Nov 10, 2017

Dr.Radical
Apr 3, 2011

punk rebel ecks posted:

much less gossiping

LOL

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

punk rebel ecks posted:

So I just had an interview for a job that is a Japanese company. It's owned by Japan but the HQ is in America. 60% of the employees of the place are Japanese.

During the interview, the lady (who was white) spoke about how much better Japanese business culture is as oppose to America's. That there is little disrespect in comparison, bosses value their own employees more and vice versa, CEOs take the first pay cut (gave a Japanese airline as example), workers aren't fired as often, much less gossiping, etc.

How true is this?

lol

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008

punk rebel ecks posted:

So I just had an interview for a job that is a Japanese company. It's owned by Japan but the HQ is in America. 60% of the employees of the place are Japanese.

During the interview, the lady (who was white) spoke about how much better Japanese business culture is as oppose to America's. That there is little disrespect in comparison, bosses value their own employees more and vice versa, CEOs take the first pay cut (gave a Japanese airline as example), workers aren't fired as often, much less gossiping, etc.

How true is this?

CEO pay isn’t as crazily high as the US, that’s true and generally a good thing I think. Workers being fired less is technically true but that’s because of legal protections in Japan making it hard to fire people at all; the downside is that it’s very hard to fire someone incompetent, so every large company has a bunch of people around doing drat little and just collecting pay because they’re not quite bad enough to legally fire. They also sometimes try to force people to quit by abusing them; moving them to small dark rooms in the basement and forcing them to do boring repetitive task etc. Indeed in general abuse as a management tactic is pretty common. I’m not even going to get into gender issues because lol

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

LimburgLimbo posted:

CEO pay isn’t as crazily high as the US, that’s true and generally a good thing I think. Workers being fired less is technically true but that’s because of legal protections in Japan making it hard to fire people at all; the downside is that it’s very hard to fire someone incompetent, so every large company has a bunch of people around doing drat little and just collecting pay because they’re not quite bad enough to legally fire.
How can it be hard to fire someone?

LimburgLimbo posted:

I’m not even going to get into gender issues because lol
Please do. I'm curious.

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

punk rebel ecks posted:

Please do. I'm curious.

Last meeting I had with Japanese clients, they had 24 guys and 1 women from their side. We have no idea how she exists in that organization tbqh.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

I remember doing a summer internship in Tokyo at the HQ of a Japanese multinational "maker" where I sat in on a vendor meeting with Gartner. Gartner was represented by a single non-Japanese speaking Asian-Chinese woman. The head of my group, a Japanese man in his 50s, kept on talking poo poo about her in Japanese throughout the entire meeting in front of her.

This was like 2007

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
From what I've heard and seen, women are expected to serve guests before a man in the workplace just as a matter of course.

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.
For reference, everything I know about Japanese work culture comes from anime.

Not sure how accurate it is.

noether
May 1, 2017

some kinda cutesy shoggoth

punk rebel ecks posted:

Please do. I'm curious.

apparently 1/3 of japanese women have been sexually assaulted at work, for starters. of course, with those kinds of stats in that kind of culture, the actual number is probably way higher. who knows how common it actually is.

from this article:

quote:

Few women hold professional, technical or managerial roles. In 2012 they made up 77% of Japan’s part-time and temporary workforce.

quote:

In 2011, 4.5% of company division heads were female, up from 1.2% in 1989. But relative to other countries the numbers are still dismal. Of the most senior, executive-committee-level managers in Japan, 1% were women in 2011, according to a regional study by McKinsey. The equivalent figure for China was 9%, for Singapore 15%.

quote:

In a study that compared the reasons why Japanese and American college graduates leave their jobs ... Japanese women blamed dissatisfaction with their jobs and a feeling of being put into “dead-end” roles. The fact that their husbands, who spend more time at work than their counterparts in other developed countries, spend less time on child care or household chores, adds to the perceived need to stay at home.

quote:

When Japanese firms take their pick of university graduates they choose men and women, but they still prefer men for management, sticking most of the women on the “clerical” track. Foreign companies have been able to take advantage of this prejudice by hiring and promoting able female graduates

quote:

Male dominance extends beyond the corporate world: in politics, too, women are grossly under-represented. In the lower house of the Diet, women hold only 8% of seats, with 19% in the upper house. In a global survey of women in parliaments, Japan ranked 123rd out of 189 countries. The older generation of men is particularly traditionalist, and still wields the most clout.

there's a lot of other poo poo in the article about home life and poo poo, but tl;dr don't be a woman in japan

edit, re: anime-
anime is mostly awful sexist garbage marketed at whatever the japanese analogue to incels is. like the way women get portrayed in most mainstream anime is incredibly demeaning, and even if the source material is okay, usually the merchandising is ridiculous objectifying crap

noether fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Nov 11, 2017

LimburgLimbo
Feb 10, 2008
It’s a multi-faceted issue though; the work culture is also so poo poo that women often quite actively don’t *want* to be professionals. If you’re a reasonably attractive woman you can 1) work a bit and find a decent husband and live a nice life as a homemaker where you’re in charge of the finances etc. or 2) join a company with awful working conditions and maaaaybe get somewhere despite rampant sexism and live a largely lovely life as an underpaid drone.

It’s not surprising that there aren’t as many women trying to change the dynamic, because the only reward would be the right to participate in Japan’s hilariously broken office culture. Thus very few women actually do it, and then there are few role models of professional women.

The relative few successful, career driven Japanese women are often doing their best to get out of Japan and work overseas.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

Well financial necessity is driving more women to work, or to stay at work even after they've found a partner

Kilroy
Oct 1, 2000

LimburgLimbo posted:

The relative few successful, career driven Japanese women are often doing their best to get out of Japan and work overseas.
Sometimes they marry into the royal family, too.

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Kilroy posted:

Sometimes they marry into the royal family, too.

That poor woman...

punk rebel ecks
Dec 11, 2010

A shitty post? This calls for a dance of deduction.

noether posted:

there's a lot of other poo poo in the article about home life and poo poo, but tl;dr don't be a woman in japan

This poo poo is worse than America circa 1950.

Why is Japan so behind in gender equality, even compared to China?

noether posted:

edit, re: anime-
anime is mostly awful sexist garbage marketed at whatever the japanese analogue to incels is. like the way women get portrayed in most mainstream anime is incredibly demeaning, and even if the source material is okay, usually the merchandising is ridiculous objectifying crap
.

I was referring to stuff like ReLife. In it a Japanese woman outperforms the men, and the men get so jealous that they constantly bully her until she kills herself. And when she does the company brushes it under the rug.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


China's an outlier because one of the very few positive things the CCP did was insist on and enforce gender equality, destroying a lot of the traditional sexist poo poo. Korea's a better comparison and it is pretty similar to Japan in misogyny, though Japan usually somehow ranks even lower.

There's a lot of reasons, mostly around the general conservatism over here. There's never been a serious feminist movement. Also while it's always too tempting to reductio ad Confucum, fact is Confucian roles are extremely misogynistic and it's a part of the societies in East Asia.

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Wheezle
Aug 13, 2007

420 stop boats erryday
Yeah, the lack of any real women's rights movement in Japan really shows.

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