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I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

Wednesday 10am in Belconnen.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 04:17

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 10:46

Knorth: Aug 19, 2014; Buglord

Ah thanks

Don't let us down Australia

# ? Nov 12, 2017 04:20

Synthbuttrange: May 6, 2007

Knorth posted:

Don't let us down Australia

too late

# ? Nov 12, 2017 04:46

Knorth: Aug 19, 2014; Buglord

Well, yeah...

But hopefully not about this too

# ? Nov 12, 2017 04:50

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

ili posted:

Yeah we should all move to progressive Victoria and join the UPF.

Still best state.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 04:52

JBP: Feb 16, 2017; You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

Victoria mustered three people to attack Dastyari on behalf of their organisation and one of them is a child on the spectrum. I don't think I'd stress too much about these groups until they congregate in large enough numbers that we can kill them.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 05:08

Whitlam: Aug 2, 2014; Some goons overreact. Go figure.

Birdstrike posted:

My strongly held personal view is that the Court will not force people to anticipate the byzantine mechanics of other countries' bureaucracies. Keane J hinted at this in the last paragraph of Re Roberts.

Ah �a ira �a ira �a ira!

I agree - my view is that the Court is likely to find that if you've legally complied with all steps to renounce and done so correctly, you won't be punished for another country's bureaucratic processes. You can control whether or not you renounce your citizenship and whether or not you do so correctly, you can't control how long it'll take that other country to recognise and respond.

BBJoey posted:

given the fact that labor have been one step ahead of the libs on every single step of the citizenship crisis (see for example when they goaded the libs into going after shorten's citizenship) this seems quite likely

Turnbull is 100% being played by Shorten. I'd put money on it.

As a side note, within Labor, everyone is pretty sure that they're fine, including the MPs who are under scrutiny. I realise that doesn't necessarily count for anything, but by comparison, a bunch of Libs and Nats thought Barnaby and others were illegible, including Barnaby himself.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 05:33

Schlesische: Jul 4, 2012

Whitlam posted:

I agree - my view is that the Court is likely to find that if you've legally complied with all steps to renounce and done so correctly, you won't be punished for another country's bureaucratic processes. You can control whether or not you renounce your citizenship and whether or not you do so correctly, you can't control how long it'll take that other country to recognise and respond.

What if you put it in 6 days before, but were advised it could take between 7-30 days?

# ? Nov 12, 2017 06:03

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

I keep thinking Shorten's turning out to be the political equivalent of those tiny Asian old men who appear completely harmless and stand around smiling until threatened, then they pull some crazy poo poo in the blink of an eye.

Then again, it's not hard to dunk on the Liberals now.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 06:36

Whitlam: Aug 2, 2014; Some goons overreact. Go figure.

Schlesische posted:

What if you put it in 6 days before, but were advised it could take between 7-30 days?

Obviously this is all my own hypothesising (last ever law exam on Friday yay), but I believe the time at which you found out you were a dual citizen would probably matter. I think the court would treat someone renouncing on the same day they found out more favourably than someone who knew, or had reason to know or suspect, for years and did nothing.

As far as being advised it'd take 7-30 days, I think again the factors taken into account would include when someone found out about their status, when they moved to renounce, where/when/by whom they were advised about it taking 7-30 days, and how accurate that estimate actually is (so if they advise 7-30 days, but in reality it always takes at least 14).

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:03

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

I think Shorten really is just harmless and quiet.

The LNP strategy for so long has been nothing except attacking the ALP/Greens. Shorten is just not giving them a clear target, their one useful narrative can't be used, and they have no idea how to proceed. Everything over the past few weeks has just made them look sad and incompetent.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:04

Schlesische: Jul 4, 2012

Zenithe posted:

The LNP strategy for so long has been nothing except attacking the ALP/Greens. Shorten is ~~just not giving them a clear target~~ loving white bread and they don't have anything that's sticking to him, their one ~~useful narrative~~ overused pile of horseshit can't be used, and they have no ~~idea how to proceed~~ ability to do what they want without sinking to single digit approval. Everything ~~over the past few weeks~~ over their entire term has just made ~~them look sad and incompetent~~ their innate incompetence shine through.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:12

MysticalMachineGun: Apr 5, 2005

Hell, I could lead Labor to victory right now and I literally don't have a face.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:16

Schlesische: Jul 4, 2012

I still think Shorten will be a less than inspired PM and he definitely won't have the "gravitas" of noted raging garbage fire Justin Trudeau, but he's been the perfect opposition leader for this LNP government.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:23

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Zenithe posted:

I think Shorten really is just harmless and quiet.

The LNP strategy for so long has been nothing except attacking the ALP/Greens. Shorten is just not giving them a clear target, their one useful narrative can't be used, and they have no idea how to proceed. Everything over the past few weeks has just made them look sad and incompetent.

the issue is that the lnp can�t go after the alp on policy grounds, because the alp is winning the ideology fight. marriage equality, taxes, renewables, education, healthcare: these are all areas where the alp is far out in front of the lnp in terms of responding to the electorate. social conservatism and neoliberalism are in decline, and the alp has seen that and pivoted (not as far left as i would like, cf corbyn, but at least they�re moving). due to its various reactionary cretins and monied interests, the lnp is stuck with a losing ideology and has nothing to attack labor with but personal issues like citizenship and ~union corruption~ except oops, turns out the labor political machine is impregnable, which results in mediocre leaders but no dirt to dig up.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 07:42

tithin: Nov 14, 2003; [Grandmaster Tactician]

Schlesische posted:

I still think Shorten will be a less than inspired PM and he definitely won't have the "gravitas" of noted raging garbage fire Justin Trudeau, but he's been the perfect opposition leader for this LNP government.

Why is Trudeau a garbage fire?

Last I heard (admittedly a while ago) was that he was the second coming of the lefts jesus (Marx?)

# ? Nov 12, 2017 08:25

The Before Times: Mar 8, 2014; Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.

gently caress no, he's neoliberalism with a pretty face.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 08:40

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Moderate Libs want to push ahead with a marriage equality bill as quickly as possible after the survey result is in.

https://twitter.com/DeanSmithWA/status/929559386535559168

# ? Nov 12, 2017 09:14

Intoluene: Jul 6, 2011; Activating self-destruct sequence!; Fun Shoe

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Moderate Libs want to push ahead with a marriage equality bill as quickly as possible after the survey result is in.

https://twitter.com/DeanSmithWA/status/929559386535559168

“If the result of the vote is Yes, we want protections for parents, protections for religious institutions and charities to be free to express contrary views without being held to account by discrimination laws,” Mr Goodenough said.

“The Dean Smith Bill covers who could marry, and could refuse to marry. But then after the marriage ceremony, the Bill remains silent on what happens if, say, a school teaches that marriage is between a man and a woman. In the future, could they be taken to court?”

Edit: Don't worry, the full conservatives have their own ready, it seems.

Intoluene fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Nov 12, 2017

# ? Nov 12, 2017 09:17

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

E: yeah, Goodenough is one of the tories who wants to bog the thing down. The whole thing is driven by liberal infighting.

Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Nov 12, 2017

# ? Nov 12, 2017 09:20

Intoluene: Jul 6, 2011; Activating self-destruct sequence!; Fun Shoe

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Goodenough isn't moderate, he's one of the conservatives who want to bog the while thing down.

Yeah, noticed my mistake and fixed it.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 09:20

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

I hunger for newspolls

# ? Nov 12, 2017 09:27

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

quote:

But a Labor source said that would amount to a declaration of war, and it threatened to retaliate by pursuing other Coalition MPs who may be dual citizens.

"If Turnbull wants to fire this missile, we've got the ammo to go nuclear," the source said.

"If I were Julia Banks, Nola Marino or Alex Hawke, I'd be sweating bullets whenever he talks about referring Labor MPs. He is locking and loading the gun at his own MPs.
"We've been doing our work � the case against these MPs is compelling. We know there are even more Liberals to come out of the woodwork."

I can't handle all these metaphors.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 09:28

Severing: Aug 26, 2017

Saw this advert on TV today. Can't get much more hypocritical than this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m1ZKEowMxY

# ? Nov 12, 2017 09:29

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/929627640067080192

# ? Nov 12, 2017 09:33

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

Reachtel 52-48 LNP in QLD
Galaxy 52-48 ALP in QLD

# ? Nov 12, 2017 10:12

Zenithe: Feb 25, 2013; _{Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.}

Anidav posted:

Reachtel 52-48 LNP in QLD
Galaxy 52-48 ALP in QLD

Oh poo poo.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 10:24

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

With the numbers as they are now parliament might be interesting this week.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 10:30

Solemn Sloth: Jul 11, 2015; Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

https://twitter.com/hatfulofhistory/status/929156819057913856

I�m 99% sure this isn�t the first time the Australian has accepted an ad memorialising Rhodesia too

# ? Nov 12, 2017 10:31

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

With the numbers as they are now parliament might be interesting this week.

Wouldn't it be funny if Labor use their numbers and the cross bench to pass that audit Shorten wanted. Although I suspect Labor would rather have this drag on and deny the LNP any momentum than bring it to a swift conclusion.

# ? Nov 12, 2017 10:32

Pile Of Garbage: May 28, 2007

MikeJF posted:

That assumes far too much competence on the part of domain maintainers, 95% of them won't know the gently caress and will miss it, of course. And we'll end up with shittons of semi-popular [x].com.au sites having [x].au malware redirectors or troll poo poo and everything else being squatted to sell back to people who missed the priority window.

Plus just trying to explain to people 'my site is blablah.au NOT DOT COM DOT AU JUST DOT AU NOT DOT COM JUST DOT AU' isn't gonna work well.

You always have to take into account that everyone is incompetent and all the users are stupid.

I know this was a page ago but I think you may be underestimating the competency of auDA. The auDA works well outside of the government and has operated the .au ccTLD without major issues for years. If you actually refer to their Policy Review page for Direct Registration (https://www.auda.org.au/policies/policy-reviews/au-direct-registration/) you will see that they are analysing registrant awareness as part of their process. Here's some relevant reading (Warning: PDFs):

Phase II Awareness and Perceptions of Direct Registration
Direct Registration Issues Paper

# ? Nov 12, 2017 11:25