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The worst thing I've read about Larry Clark was apparently that shot of Bijou Phillips' crotch in Bully was a shot they didn't let her know about and were trying to pick up on the sly. Here we go: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2002/mar/03/features.magazine quote:Bijou doesn't like Bully much. She doesn't feel she should even be doing press for it. There's a lot of gratuitous sex in it. The camerawork verges on the creepy. Shots constantly linger on her and her co-star Rachel Miner's bodies. At one point, for no apparent reason, we get a lingering shot up an ill-fitting pair of hotpants to Bijou's half-naked crotch. Bijou rolls her bright brown eyes. 'What the gently caress is that bullshit? That's not OK,' she says, angrily. 'I'm sitting there doing a scene and they're shooting down my crotch.'
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Timby posted:One thing I wonder whether or not will come out is if there was funny business happening on the set of Nowhere Boy. Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Sam Taylor-Wood met when she cast him, he turned 18 during the film's production, and they announced their engagement a few months later at the movie's premiere -- when she was 42. This is a thing that has always bothered me, as if I recall correctly they were sort of "dating" waaaaay before he turned 18.
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K. Waste posted:The worst thing I've read about Larry Clark was apparently that shot of Bijou Phillips' crotch in Bully was a shot they didn't let her know about and were trying to pick up on the sly. Here we go: Larry Clark pulling a Verhoeven, I see.
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K. Waste posted:The worst thing I've read about Larry Clark was apparently that shot of Bijou Phillips' crotch in Bully was a shot they didn't let her know about and were trying to pick up on the sly. Here we go: There is sooooo much going on in/with that film. Bijou is awesome.
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# ? Nov 12, 2017 23:09 |
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Steve Yun posted:https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/11/1714699/-Why-the-George-Takei-allegation-is-a-weak-case Plenty of people on Daily Kos thought that the photo of Anthony Weiner's junk was doctored and the whole thing was just an invention of Breitbart, right until he confessed it was true. This part: " We more typically tell absolutely nobody for years, because we are terrified. Just read the accounts from the accusers of Moore, Spacey, Trump, etc. for what a typical one looks like" isn't actually true even by the narrow standards the author sets. A person who dated Moore's accuser has corroborated her story by saying she told him about it. I'm fairly sure there was corroboration of some of Trump's accusers telling people they knew about what happened at the time, too. That's really just about the only way you can corroborate old claims like these. The defense of Takei would be that there really isn't a lot of evidence (to us) so far. All we know is that he's been accused by one person, who told four 'longtime' friends at some point. It's not nothing, but it's a lot less than for other cases. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Nov 12, 2017 |
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You will probably have to wait for more people to come out against Takei to get rid of the "I'm just asking questions" crowd. Louis CK had a similar buffer, but in his case it was "Well it's just sexual misconduct among friends," and literally the only reason that melted away is because CK went "Yeah, this was dead wrong and I'm taking a break."
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# ? Nov 12, 2017 23:16 |
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Also worth noting: This has highlighted that the Howard Stern show is considered a horrific-behavior-safe-space by everyone. Nothing the president of the United States said on Stern has mattered, people just laugh it off because it's been around so long, and I think the implicit assumption being made is that it's all jokes.
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Speaking of people who we're surprised haven't been accused of anything yet, how about James Franco? He pretty blatantly tried to have sex with a 17 year old girl via Instagram a few years ago.
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Lil Mama Im Sorry posted:There is sooooo much going on in/with that film. Yeah, I still love it to death and as a matter of principle I disagree that it's gratuitous - but, yeah, don't loving get pick-up shots of your cast without their consent, douchebag, if you still want it to be over the edge just find something else to shoot consensually, you fuckin' already have a part where a sociopath makes a sad fad kid watch a twinky drug addict blow a dildo, Bijou Phillips' trim really isn't that much of an 'extra push.'
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Timeless Appeal posted:I get that our justice system is a key part of our society, but I think it's misguided to use as the corner stone for how we discuss these cases. It's especially true when sexual assault cases are often hard to prove and often the accusations are delayed due to fear from the victim. People are allowed to say, "I don't want to work with that creepy dude who basically married his adopted daughter." I don't really have any issue with people making a choice to not work with Woody Allen. People can look at the evidence and decide whatever they want. But there is a difference between a decision made by an individual, and a broader claim that Hollywood as a professional environment and artistic community, should cast him off entirely. That's not really great. Also, the issue isn't his relationship with Soon Yi Previn (and conflating them isn't a good idea). Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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Pedro De Heredia posted:I don't really have any issue with people making a choice to not work with Woody Allen. People can look at the evidence and decide whatever they want. But there is a difference between a decision made by an individual, and a broader claim that Hollywood as a professional environment and artistic community, should cast him off entirely. That's not really great. yeah, whenever i talk to people about Woody Allen and mention my severe distaste for the man, someone always says "well yeah, he's a creep, but she wasn't his *actual* daughter" and I have to inform them that, no, I'm talking about his actual, blood-related daughter who he molested when she was like, 8. The Soon Yi stuff is like a canary in the coalmine of Allen's creepiness.
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# ? Nov 13, 2017 02:41 |
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I see that SA is 18 now, so I don't have to feel bad when I say gently caress these dead gay forums This has been my attempt at levity in a very depressing thread. I'm here all night, folks.
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K. Waste posted:The worst thing I've read about Larry Clark was apparently that shot of Bijou Phillips' crotch in Bully was a shot they didn't let her know about and were trying to pick up on the sly. Here we go: I didn't recognize that actress' name, so I googled her and this is what I got: https://hornetapp.com/stories/daniel-franzese-bijou-phillips-bully/ quote:
If this is true she's a loving poo poo head. What a miserable production, a middle school level bully and a pervert director.
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# ? Nov 13, 2017 02:59 |
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The Bijou Phillips bullying stuff sounds lovely but its probably a different thing entirely as she would have been like 17 so she was an rear end in a top hat teenage mean girl picking on a vulnerable peer and one hopes she's grown up in the 20 years since. That's different from grown adults with power using that power to take sexual advantage of people beneath them, including sometimes children. The two things also aren't mutually exclusive. But yeah, it sounds like a hellish production. Phillips also has a really crazy and hosed up childhood story that includes claiming her father was abusing her sister, lots of drugs, and being homeless at age 14. None of which is an excuse for treating people badly but there's a lot there to unfold and just doesn't seem like the same kind of criticism this thread is about.
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well forget what I said earlier about Bijou for speaking out against Clark earlier, jesus chrust
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STAC Goat posted:But yeah, it sounds like a hellish production. I had never even heard of Bully before, but Brad Renfro committed suicide, Nick Stahl got heavily into drugs (and wasn't he declared missing for a while, or homeless or something?), and I enjoyed Michael Pitt on Hannibal, but doesn't he have the reputation of being a terror to work with?
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I've always suspected that Renfro was taken advantage of earlier in life, like around the time he was in The Client.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I had never even heard of Bully before, but Brad Renfro committed suicide, Nick Stahl got heavily into drugs (and wasn't he declared missing for a while, or homeless or something?), and I enjoyed Michael Pitt on Hannibal, but doesn't he have the reputation of being a terror to work with? just for comparison i went to look up how the cast of Kids was doing, and while the girls seem to have gotten out of it OK (Sevigny and Dawson still have careers and seem fairly well adjusted), the guys... not so much. Leo Fitzpatrick (Telly): got hit by a drunk driver, had to relearn how to walk Justin Pierce (Roach): Hung himself at the Bellagio in 2000 Harold Hunter (Harold): Cocaine overdose in 2006 i think mayyyyyybe someone should take a look at Larry Clark
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# ? Nov 13, 2017 05:06 |
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Bijou Philips career appears to be dead
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Speaking of people who we're surprised haven't been accused of anything yet, how about James Franco? people care less because he's fairly young, hip and attractive. I think he's a creeper and a dickhead, personally.
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I knew Brad Renfro in the years before he died. He actually had nothing but good things to say about Clark and wanted to work with him more.
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precision posted:I knew Brad Renfro in the years before he died. He actually had nothing but good things to say about Clark and wanted to work with him more. Probably didn't have a lot of good to say about Bryan Singer though. I have no doubt that Franco is a bit of a creep, or was at least, but Jared Leto has to be making GBS threads himself about now.
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I can't imagine Michael Bay hasn't already booked a ticket to a non-extradition country.
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Actually I think Michael Bay is terrified by nudity and sexuality. He fills his movies with rear end shots or whatever but it's like someone guessing what a dude would want to see. I remember a story in particular about ScarJo saying she should do a scene nude and him going "no that's crazy". All his scantily clad women in his films are essentially depicted as hot and desirable but completely sexless. If he's anything he's a nevernude.
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Michael "Frat Boy" Bay terrified of nudity and sexuality? On a list of things I never thought I'd hear someone unironically say, that ranks pretty high. A Condensed History of Michael Bay being a Sexist Jerk quote:Back in 2009, The Observer’s Jason Solomons wrote about how Megan Fox got her role as midriff-baring Mikaela Banes in the first two Transformers films: “She told me she went to director Michael Bay’s house to audition and he made her wash his Ferrari while he filmed her. She said she didn’t know what had happened to the footage. When I put it to Bay himself, he looked suitably abashed. ‘Er, I don’t know where it is either.’” quote:And finally, in a 2005 joint interview between Bay and colleague Scarlett Johansson about The Island, they’re asked, “What will we see on the DVD?” Bay’s response: e: And the thing with him not wanting ScarJo to go topless was when they were filming The Island, and it was because he needed it to get a PG-13 rating. vvv I think I understood what he said fairly well. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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I don't think you're understanding what he's saying. He's saying that Michael Bay *seems to* shoot what he thinks people want to see as opposed to practicing it himself. This thread generally seems to want to lump every single thing in a dichotomy under one single umbrella (as seen with the bullying discussion earlier), and not realize the nuance of what all these accusations are showing about society, and the different categorizations of how it plays out. Society gives men and women a large power imbalance on average. Men generally get more successful than women, and thus, women's well being often depends on men. Since men want sex, this power imbalance creates a giant minefield that is coming to the fore now in the media with a lot of people talking about it. This doesn't just come into play in Hollywood either, managers and senior people date their underlings all the loving time, everywhere; the richer and more powerful a guy is, the more direct he often is in trying to get just-sex (as boldness is tied into power), and they often simply straight up *ask* people for sex instead of the long run around, etc. And because of the power dynamic, a lot of guys don't even realize what they are doing because *they* would never feel threatened by what they're doing. And then, some others just view women as objects and are actual predators. The underlying point is that practically every man that is not just a painfully shy person with no gumption to do anything, ever, is guilty of some kind of sexual misconduct somewhere in their lives - as "having sex" is pretty much trial and error for guys who are taught by guys that also don't know that they are doing - everyone gets it wrong in some way along the way - and these publicized cases should serve to teach men how to navigate these waters better and to be better. In the example of Hollywood, these cases are varying levels. And these levels are a reflection of men in general in how they relate to the relative power that they have. Some are about people not necessarily realizing that their fame gives them relative power and that even vocal consent does not mean they should proceed because of this relative power. (Louis CK0 Some seem fully knowledgeable about that power and try to use it to bully people to give them what they want, and also don't care about age when it comes to that. (Kevin Spacey) (Weinstein) Some are straight up rapists that forcefully take what they want. (Polanski) The Louis CK case is a really good one because it's actually relate-able for most men and should teach those supervisors and managers and owners or senior team members to stop hitting on their juniors for that reason (as an example, every bar or restaurant owner I know in the city has slept with at least one of their employees along the way, and many of the women that work in design have at one time slept with a senior team member or someone higher up in the company). It's something hugely common among men, and this is a large issue. The other cases are more about how the structure of money and power allows people to actively be terrible, and how those structures need to be broken. Darko fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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Yeah I wasn't aware of the Megan Fox carwash bikini thing though, that's pretty hosed up. I just think all his movies horndogging has seemed performative rather than genuine.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Yeah I wasn't aware of the Megan Fox carwash bikini thing though, that's pretty hosed up. Al Borland Corp. posted:I just think all his movies horndogging has seemed performative rather than genuine. The man himself on the otherhand is a whole other story. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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Bay treats sex like it's an 80s Ferrari poster.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Actually I think Michael Bay is terrified by nudity and sexuality. He fills his movies with rear end shots or whatever but it's like someone guessing what a dude would want to see. I remember a story in particular about ScarJo saying she should do a scene nude and him going "no that's crazy". ...How is Michael Bay scared of sexuality when his movies are filled with attractive women in seductive poses, again? I understand he's a lovely filmmaker, but this doesn't logically follow.
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-Blackadder- posted:Michael "Frat Boy" Bay terrified of nudity and sexuality? On a list of things I never thought I'd hear someone unironically say, that ranks pretty high. Yeah, between the Megan Fox stuff and the Romeo + Juliet laws scene in Transformers 4 there's absolutely some poo poo in Bay's past that's gonna come out, probably sometime soon. Edit: Ah, here's the CDAN post I was looking for: Ent Lawer posted:Many of the high profile A list actors on the set of this huge budget box office busting project are complaining about their A list director. Apparently the director is so obsessed with finding teenage sex that he has been out every night all night long and then when he finds some teen dumb enough to hook up with him he stays up all night and comes to work on little or no sleep and is doing an awful job trying to turn what is a huge mess into some kind of finished project resembling a movie. asecondduck fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Nov 13, 2017 |
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Bay produced the Friday the 13th remake a few years back and apparently stormed out of the premiere when he saw how much sex there was in it.
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Raxivace posted:Bay produced the Friday the 13th remake a few years back and apparently stormed out of the premiere when he saw how much sex there was in it. Maybe sex bothers him when the women are of consenting age.
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Combined with the Fox thing, and him always wanting to present hot women as chaste, I think you're right. In Pain and Gain the only women he depicts as actually sexual are either obese or humorously overaltered through surgery. So yeah, I changed my mind I think you're right and poo poo will come out.
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# ? Nov 13, 2017 18:31 |
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It’ll be more perverse and it’s going to come out that he just wants to gently caress cameras or cars and the women are there just so there’s a voice/personality to the object. Or it’ll just be women and he’ll be a poo poo creep either way.
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https://twitter.com/yashar/status/930195857613512704 guillotines please
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Jesus loving Christ
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# ? Nov 13, 2017 23:20 |
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Burn Hollywood, salt the ground it stood on.
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That's the perfect example of how broken the system is. That took place in 2003.
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MacheteZombie posted:https://twitter.com/yashar/status/930195857613512704 He's lying.
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