IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad - game good, company bad

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Chuck_D: Aug 25, 2003

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Wait, shouldn't the P-40 be pretty outdated, at least on paper, against what the Germans are fielding in late 1942?

That's kinda what I was thinking too. I have crap internet, so I can't play online. What's the skinny? Are P-40's supposedly over-modeled or something?

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 15:25

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

P-40's mostly sucked at high altitude right cause of the lack of a 2 stage super charger? Probably %95 of the fighting you'll do in this game (online at least) happens below 2 km.

# ? Nov 13, 2017 23:55

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Remember how aside from a few armchair aces on the popular servers everyone and their grandmother including most goons wanted to low altitude turn fight in old IL2, despite turn fighting being overall way less effective than high altitude BnZ?

Apparently that's still a thing.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 00:51

Foo Diddley: Oct 29, 2011; cat

EvilJoven posted:

Remember how aside from a few armchair aces on the popular servers everyone and their grandmother including most goons wanted to low altitude turn fight in old IL2, despite turn fighting being overall way less effective than high altitude BnZ?

Apparently that's still a thing.

It wouldn't be IL-2 without a neverending conga line ten feet off the deck

# ? Nov 14, 2017 02:25

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

You know what might actually get me to strongly consider dusting off my sim gear? A game based off the new IL-2 engine in a fictional setting with actual fun stuff to do and less armchair aces that act like it's anything other than just a video game.

Who owns the rights to making Crimson Skies games? I think it's time for a sequel.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 02:31

JerikTelorian: Jan 19, 2007

Is there fun single player stuff to do or is it mostly MP focused content?

# ? Nov 14, 2017 03:52

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Canned missions. That's it.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 03:55

Chuck_D: Aug 25, 2003

I disagree. Due to my aforementioned lovely internet, I only play offline. Single missions, scripted missions, whatever. Those are there and they kinda suck. There is a pretty fantastic dynamic campaign generator out there though. Tracks your kills, your squad mates, other squadrons, etc, all in a big career mode. Super cool and what a dynamic campaign generator should be. Doesn't work with Kuban content yet, but it appears to be under active development and I'm willing to bet Kuban will be supported soon after launch.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 04:02

Thief: Jan 28, 2011

Popete posted:

I don't have the P-40 but on the WoL server a bunch of German players where whining about the P-40 being easy mode (ironic considering the BF-109) and now I'm thinking I should probably buy it to maximize making e-Hartmanns mad.

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Wait, shouldn't the P-40 be pretty outdated, at least on paper, against what the Germans are fielding in late 1942?

it's easymode in terms of the :911:

design philosophy of putting as many bullets as you can fit on this loving thing so your pilots can simply hold the trigger down until they walk the stream of fire over their target

but in terms of actual flying, especially in a combat situation under the clouds where you are constantly battling for position, the P40 should get absolutely clowned by a remotely competent German fighter. and that's what really matters imo, at least in a videogame where dying or crashing is just a half-minute timeout from playing again

on a server like WoL, the P40 feels like a slug when you could be in a La5 or MC202

# ? Nov 14, 2017 04:16

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Gewehr 43 posted:

I disagree. Due to my aforementioned lovely internet, I only play offline. Single missions, scripted missions, whatever. Those are there and they kinda suck. There is a pretty fantastic dynamic campaign generator out there though. Tracks your kills, your squad mates, other squadrons, etc, all in a big career mode. Super cool and what a dynamic campaign generator should be. Doesn't work with Kuban content yet, but it appears to be under active development and I'm willing to bet Kuban will be supported soon after launch.

Really? Last I heard the DCG for new IL2 was still WIP.

Link it. With the garbage weather for the next week I might actually try it. The temperatures are right at that level where they'll make being outside just suck. Needs to be 3c warmer or 3c colder.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 04:41

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

EvilJoven posted:

Really? Last I heard the DCG for new IL2 was still WIP.

Link it. With the garbage weather for the next week I might actually try it. The temperatures are right at that level where they'll make being outside just suck. Needs to be 3c warmer or 3c colder.

Gewehr 43 is probably refering to Pats Dyanamic Campaign Generator or something 3rd party. IL-2 devs are actively working on an official dynamic campaign for the game as well, not a lot of details yet but it'll probably be fairly similar to Rise of Flight.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 06:16

Chuck_D: Aug 25, 2003

Popete posted:

Gewehr 43 is probably refering to Pats Dyanamic Campaign Generator or something 3rd party. IL-2 devs are actively working on an official dynamic campaign for the game as well, not a lot of details yet but it'll probably be fairly similar to Rise of Flight.

I am indeed. It's not an official product, but it works just peachy and is a lot of fun.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 14:42

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Right. Like I said. Link it.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 14:47

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

Right. Like I said. Link it.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 14:47

cool new Metroid game: Oct 7, 2009; hail satan

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/99-pwcg-bos/

# ? Nov 14, 2017 15:07

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

EvilJoven posted:

Remember how aside from a few armchair aces on the popular servers everyone and their grandmother including most goons wanted to low altitude turn fight in old IL2, despite turn fighting being overall way less effective than high altitude BnZ?

Apparently that's still a thing.

Because turn fighting is the classic view of dogfighting. And more fun. Boom and zoom is very effective but also consists of long periods of positioning which from a gameplay perspective is downtime. This is a result of actual WW II air combat not being as fun as it seems. So the abstraction of it, silly dogfighting at 10 feet from the ground, becomes a much more interesting prospect.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 15:40

dtkozl: Dec 17, 2001; ultima ratio regum

EvilJoven posted:

Remember how aside from a few armchair aces on the popular servers everyone and their grandmother including most goons wanted to low altitude turn fight in old IL2, despite turn fighting being overall way less effective than high altitude BnZ?

Apparently that's still a thing.

the way you win maps is CAS so right now the russians are doming the germans in the multi campaign because the luft angels won't come down from on high to protect their bombers.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 16:14

Jobbo_Fett: Mar 7, 2014; Slava Ukrayini; Clapping Larry

Galaga Galaxian posted:

Wait, shouldn't the P-40 be pretty outdated, at least on paper, against what the Germans are fielding in late 1942?

My guess is that 109's try turn-fighting it, which won't work against it.

Also, once I upgrade my pc i'll be able to actually play this game again!

Jobbo_Fett fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Nov 14, 2017

# ? Nov 14, 2017 16:17

Chuck_D: Aug 25, 2003

EvilJoven posted:

Right. Like I said. Link it.

The link is blocked at work. Sorry. Was hoping a little google action would help you out.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 17:36

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

I always ask for direct links to this sort of thing because when it comes to mods and third party tools and whatnot I'm just so used to there being a handful different versions and forks and stuff spread around multiple websites, some defunct some active. It's tiring when you download something and it breaks everything or you spend a bunch of time trying to get it to work and then hear that you got the wrong version thing from the wrong place.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 17:52

Truga: May 4, 2014; Lipstick Apathy

Does anyone else have this game hang every single time it loses focus for any reason (i.e. alt+tabbing)? I didn't know Derek Smart worked at 1c.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 17:55

dtkozl: Dec 17, 2001; ultima ratio regum

I have the p40 and engine management is a nightmare compared to the 109

# ? Nov 14, 2017 18:09

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

How automated were American planes in WW2? Where they like the Germans who tended to have a lot of the engine management automated or closer to the Russians where you have to do everything?

# ? Nov 14, 2017 18:10

dtkozl: Dec 17, 2001; ultima ratio regum

I'm sure I'll be corrected here but my understand is that American tech was fairly basic in most things compared to germany/brits who were the leaders in engine tech at the time. I think the us hit par quickly especially with the tech sharing agreement with england during the war. At least with the p40 everything is manual.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 18:25

Chuck_D: Aug 25, 2003

EvilJoven posted:

I always ask for direct links to this sort of thing because when it comes to mods and third party tools and whatnot I'm just so used to there being a handful different versions and forks and stuff spread around multiple websites, some defunct some active. It's tiring when you download something and it breaks everything or you spend a bunch of time trying to get it to work and then hear that you got the wrong version thing from the wrong place.

The nice thing about this is that it's more or less a standalone product. You have to enable mission logging in a BoS config file, then you just more or less run the campaign .exe, set up the campaign, and off you go. The generator just dumps new files into the single missions interface in the game every time you generate a mission. When you complete a mission, it parses the log, calculates losses/results, then builds a new mission after you select a few parameters (pilot assignment, route, etc) through the gui. Back out of the single mission interface, open it back up, and the file list is refreshed.

I get a few errors in the DCG GUI on some missions, but the DCG never crashes or shows any other ill signs because of them. All in all, it's a simple, immersive app that's pretty awesome for us single-player-only types.

# ? Nov 14, 2017 18:50

cool new Metroid game: Oct 7, 2009; hail satan

Truga posted:

Does anyone else have this game hang every single time it loses focus for any reason (i.e. alt+tabbing)? I didn't know Derek Smart worked at 1c.

yeah I get problems with alt-tabbing as well

# ? Nov 14, 2017 19:04

El Perkele: Nov 7, 2002; I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.

Well hello.

The future has been announced and it's completely different than what was originally thought! No Pacific, but late-war Europe, WW1 and tanks

The next three parts will be:

1. Battle of Bodenplatte - late-war European front.

quote:

Planned to be Included in Battle of Bodenplatte:
Flyable Aircraft and Content:
- Bf-109 G-14
- Bf-109 K-4
- Fw-190 A-8
- Me-262
- P-51D
- P-47D
- Spitfire Mk. IX
- Tempest Mk. V
- Fw-190 D-9 (Collector)
- P-38L (Collector)
- B-25 (AI)
- European Low-Countries Map (Final size TBD) (Parts of the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany)
- Many Allied and Axis airfields, cities, towns and villages. Winter and Summer textures are planned.
- New Allied and Axis Ground Units and Scenery.

Flying Circus - this is basically ROF2 yes you read that right.

quote:

lyable Aircraft and Content (Tentative List):
- SPAD 13 C.1
- Sopwith Dolphin
- Sopwith Camel
- RAF S.E.5a
- Bristol Fighter
- Albatros D.Va
- Fokker Dr.1
- Fokker DVII
- Pfalz D.IIIa
- Halberstadt CL.II
- France map (100 x 100km Approx.)
- Several airfields, cities, towns and villages. Summer textures are planned
- No Man�s Land
- Entente and Central Powers Ground Units and Scenery.

3. And the third is tanks:

quote:

Playable Tanks and Content (Tentative List):
- T-34-76 STZ
- KV-1s
- M4A2
- SU-122
- SU-152
- ZIS-5 + 72K
- PzKpfw III Ausf.L
- PzKpfw IV Ausf.G
- PzKpfw V Ausf.D
- PzKpfw VI Ausf.H1
- Sd. Kfz. 184
- Sd. Kfz. 10 + Flak38
- Prokhorovka - Belgorod Map {100x100 km Approx.)

I'm not going through this in further detail yet. Read the big link.

# ? Nov 17, 2017 14:18

El Perkele: Nov 7, 2002; I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.

And in case you're like me and ready to commit seppuku because no Wildcats in 2018:

Jason Williams posted:

Everyone,

I have had to make the difficult choice to postpone, NOT CANCEL our plans to go to the Pacific theater. The reasons for this are many and have everything to do with the complexity of the subject (Ships, Japanese Aircraft) and the inability to marshal the required resources to develop this content up to the standards you expect and in a reasonable time frame and within a budget we could afford. I have not taken these steps lightly and for fans of the PTO, of which I am the biggest, this was not something I wanted to do. But the dream still lives!

What you see announced today is my plan to try to build, in a hopefully clever way, larger infrastructure so we can tackle the PTO in the future. Also, by rapidly expanding our content I hope to increase sales so we can afford proper solutions to building PTO content and doing the necessary research to build Japanese planes and ships to our current level of accuracy and fidelity.

I will explain more on this topic once the dust settles from this big announcement and I have caught up on my sleep. I will also address it in my next TeamSpeak chat session this weekend.

Please, please, please understand that there is no conspiracy here and we STILL INTEND to go to the PTO as soon as feasible. It has been my professional dream for 10 years. I won't give up on that dream.

Jason

The more I think about actually modelling carrier combat in Pacific the more sense this makes.

# ? Nov 17, 2017 14:27

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

LOL at basically releasing RoF content again.

# ? Nov 17, 2017 14:29

El Perkele: Nov 7, 2002; I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.

EvilJoven posted:

LOL at basically releasing RoF content again.

Getting RoF to run on current BoX engine with VR support has been what RoF fans have been wanting since 2014. It has been a surprisingly big theme in the community.

# ? Nov 17, 2017 14:33

El Perkele: Nov 7, 2002; I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.

Also

@ 1C just basically declaring war on DCS with 190D-9, 109K-4, Spitfire Mk. IX and P-51D included in a campaign, with P-47 thrown in for a good measure. That's the current DCS WW2 modpack. i'm dying

# ? Nov 17, 2017 14:36

Taintrunner: Apr 10, 2017; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Man, that sounds fuckin rad. I�m down to do some WW1 VR shitflinging for sure. I�ve been holding off on floghtsimming while XPlane and IL2 get some updates, so I guess it�ll be a few more months.

# ? Nov 17, 2017 15:30

Dandywalken: Feb 11, 2014

Wearing my hype face atm.

Bodenplatte is going to be German domination though

# ? Nov 17, 2017 16:06

Popete: Oct 6, 2009; This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs; Grimey Drawer

Awwwww man, kinda bummed. I was really really looking forward to carrier ops and torpedoes.

Oh well, I can wait. I love how IL-2 has developed so far.

# ? Nov 17, 2017 16:12

MrYenko: Jun 18, 2012; #2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

So, is are these new IL2 modules compatible-package type things like the old one was, and DCS (kinda) is?

# ? Nov 17, 2017 16:16

Galaga Galaxian: Apr 23, 2009; What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!

Lol @ only one French plane in that Flying Circus lineup.

# ? Nov 17, 2017 16:51

INTJ Mastermind: Dec 30, 2004; It's a radial!

Carriers would have been amazing with the BOS flight model. But I understand the technical challenge. Even 1946 didn�t support moving ships in MP.

# ? Nov 17, 2017 17:26

EvilJoven: Mar 18, 2005; NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?; Fun Shoe

It does now!

# ? Nov 17, 2017 17:28