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Gorilla Salad posted:And they get to slap a lovely pink star on your sleeve so they know who you are. People already yell human being on the street. People already stare. I'm non-passing trans, the pink star might as well be tattooed on my forehead already lol Wheezle posted:Is it really so hard to appreciate that shops with signs saying "NO GAYS" might have a detrimental effect on many in the LGBTI community? cohsae posted:I understand the desire to see homophobic businesses be public about their hatred so that they can be named and shamed, but ultimately would it lead to more or less discrimination and hatred against gay people? I'm not saying it would be good for us, just that it would make the world where people are legally allowed to discriminate against us as these bills propose easier to navigate if we know who is going to do so up-front.
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MikeJF posted:Do we have the text of the current draft of the Dean Smith bill? I can probably get it maybe but so far the key points are chaplins are free to discriminate and it introduces a grandfathered class of civil servants who are exempt from anti-discrimination legislation. Source: NSW Greens SSGI group
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Aesculus posted:I can probably get it maybe but so far the key points are chaplins are free to discriminate and it introduces a grandfathered class of civil servants who are exempt from anti-discrimination legislation. That's pretty much how I expected a SSM law to go.
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Aesculus posted:it introduces a grandfathered class of civil servants who are exempt from anti-discrimination legislation. So existing civil servants can refuse to register a SSM? Or do you mean existing marriage celebrants can refuse to officiate a SSM?
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MikeJF posted:Do we have the text of the current draft of the Dean Smith bill? From the Buzzfeed article: quote:Smith's bill would continue the current exemption for religious ministers to refuse to solemnise any marriage they want, provide a grandfather clause allowing current civil celebrant to move into a new category that would also have the right to refuse, and allow religious organisations the right to refuse to serve same-sex weddings. Also, and very importantly, all references to 'man and woman' are changed to 'two people'.
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Is Smith's bill essentially the same as the previous one he proposed?
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MikeJF posted:Do we have the text of the current draft of the Dean Smith bill? From the Buzzfeed article: quote:Smith's bill would continue the current exemption for religious ministers to refuse to solemnise any marriage they want, provide a grandfather clause allowing current civil celebrant to move into a new category that would also have the right to refuse, and allow religious organisations the right to refuse to serve same-sex weddings. Also, and very importantly, all references to 'man and woman' are changed to 'two people'. Can't seem to find the document itself, though, maybe someone else can? Ragingsheep posted:So existing civil servants can refuse to register a SSM? Or do you mean existing marriage celebrants can refuse to officiate a SSM? Presumably both? I'm pretty sure that you can't do one but not the other. "Oh yeah, I'll say all the words and stuff, but I ain't signing any documents!" Existing celebrants, if they wish, can switch over to a slightly different title that gives them a right to refuse to do same-sex marriages. Any new celebrants created after the Bill passes have no recourse to refuse. Likely it'd just become part of the requirements - if you refuse to do them, you can't get registered.
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Oh, I just wasn't sure if Aesculus was referring to civil servants or civil celebrants
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Wait, does it specifically say they can refuse same-sex couples, or any couple that they so choose?
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Sounds like this problem can be easily resolved by stripping any legal marriage powers from any religious body and making everyone just rock up to the registry office for 5 minutes of signing forms. Both participant signatories, one witness and one civil servant. Those who wish to can still have their non legally recognized hoo-ha religious ceremonies in a church afterwards or before if they want.
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Anidav posted:Queensland McQueensland Face I was going to post a picture of Pauline Hanson's face, but I don't want that in my Internet history.
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MikeJF posted:Wait, does it specifically say they can refuse same-sex couples, or any couple that they so choose? Any couple. It's the same power they have now.
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MikeJF posted:Should've called it Still Faster Than Sending It Over The NBN Go Banksian, name it Beneath The Dignity Of The Office.
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I mean if you're a religious nut you should just go get loving ordained already and marry people the way the church prefers. If you're not and you don't want to marry same sex couples then you're just a lovely homophobe, and I'm going to enjoy watching your business dry up after you proudly announce this on your website and marketing material.
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Ragingsheep posted:Oh, I just wasn't sure if Aesculus was referring to civil servants or civil celebrants Yeah all civil servants would be a bit broad.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Gorilla Salad thinks allowing that will turn country towns into Nazi death camps complete with stars for gays/jews? idgi Box of Bunnies started up with the 'put Warsaw stars in their windows so we can identify them'. I pointed out it would work both ways. Box of Bunnies posted:Slap a big grey star in their windows so I know where to avoid. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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Box of Bunnies posted:People already yell human being on the street. People already stare. I'm non-passing trans, the pink star might as well be tattooed on my forehead already lol. So let's enshrine it in loving law? Are you joking? Because you're really taking this bit of yours and running with it.
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Can we put a brown star on this derail because it's really poo poo.
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Intoluene posted:Can we put a brown star on this derail because it's really poo poo. 
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reddit posted:Everyone in my parents street (6025) received this in their letterbox. Got a solid chuckle 
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Very long and brutal takedown of the Australian economy: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/australias-economy-house-cards-matt-barrie/ He's the CEO of Freelancer so he gets a bit tiresome when he segways into free market stuff for a few paragraphs but other then that it's pretty solid. e: He has an overly rosy view of tech companies as well NoNotTheMindProbe fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Very long and brutal takedown of the Australian economy: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/australias-economy-house-cards-matt-barrie/ This is an extremely depressing article tithin fucked around with this message at 09:30 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/930317729583599617 https://twitter.com/GhostWhoVotes/status/930317527502151680 
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News.com.au but interesting and terrifying article about how the lucky country mentality is about to kick the Australian economies arse. http://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...b8e4896e38db882
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Kristina Keneally has a message for the Liberal warriors trying to torpedo her bid for Bennelong by tying her to the corruption of former Labor powerbroker Eddie Obeid and his cronies. "If that's the best you can do, go for your lives," she tells Fairfax Media with a laugh. "I'm not fussed by it. Go and read the transcripts: they clearly show my actions and my integrity. Geoffrey Watson, the special counsel for ICAC, called me an ICAC hero. If the Liberals think they can make something out of that: knock yourselves out." Keneally the issue is everyone in NSW saw what happened to Nathan Rees and you took the poisoned chalice. It didn't get any less poisonous with age.
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If the housing market dies screaming in a fire, that means the dollar plunges yes? That means that export markets like farming have an easier time don't they? That would mean we could have a real film industry again, yes? That would mean that car manuf- 
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Senor Tron posted:News.com.au but interesting and terrifying article about how the lucky country mentality is about to kick the Australian economies arse. It's the same article as the one above.
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Senor Tron posted:News.com.au but interesting and terrifying article about how the lucky country mentality is about to kick the Australian economies arse. That's an abbreviated version of the article I posted up above.
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Senor Tron posted:News.com.au but interesting and terrifying article about how the lucky country mentality is about to kick the Australian economies arse. I can't help thinking that the government, the RBA, the big 4 etc know drat well the whole place is set to tumble eventually but are hoping they can hold it off for long enough to de-escalate the situation over time. You can imagine that if the RBA came out with a similar assessment as the article made the dollar would tumble over night and the sharemarket would be wiped out within hours. All I hope is that it muddles along for a couple more years until I get my CA and some measure of job security.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:e: He has an overly rosy view of tech companies as well what happened to freelancer's share price after it's ipo... lol
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I legit wished it had popped in 2008. That way I wouldnt have felt so poo poo about being unemployed because everyone else was too.
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ah poo poo Mark Latham got 280 character tweets.
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:Very long and brutal takedown of the Australian economy: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/australias-economy-house-cards-matt-barrie/ A necessary and important read.
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Good article, scary to see the fuckedness systematically enumerated like that. I kind of feel better about not having bought a house and had kids here
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NoNotTheMindProbe posted:That's an abbreviated version of the article I posted up above. Ah whoops, hadn't got around to reading your link yet.
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The news.com version is a good summary and skips a lot of the wonk-ish background that might be drive some readers away.
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Let's party like it's 1891 IMO Edit: also I did some bad math on the 6500ish% increase on 1970s house prices, I think if the inflation rate was the same for income it would mean like a weekly average wage of 15 cents in the 70s. Kids these days are so ungrateful and don't save and struggle and spendthrift like back in the good old days. G-Spot Run fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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