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Shoot for the loving stars. You can't ask for more money later, better ask now. Make job hopping worth it. I have a phone screen today and if numbers come up I'm planning on throwing a number well into six figures out there.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Shoot for the loving stars. You can't ask for more money later, better ask now. Make job hopping worth it. 850k?
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Nov 14, 2017 15:24
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"ya my current job offers 420k can you match?"
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Nov 14, 2017 15:29
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"I'm getting 401k here, how about 402k?"
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Nov 14, 2017 15:30
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I think my one of my generator vendors goes by that philosophy because he quoted us half a million dollars for a generator where everyone else was quoting barely in 6 digits.
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Nov 14, 2017 15:31
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My boss wanted to see my new phone and I just so happened to get an e-mail saying "Thank you for your application!" at that time. Nice.
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Nov 14, 2017 15:34
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skooma512 posted:So, the job wants to know my salary and what my range is before the first interview. Imo it's unprofessional to ask for a salary range before interviewing too, but I know it's unfortunately not an uncommon practice.
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Nov 14, 2017 16:17
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orange sky posted:My boss wanted to see my new phone and I just so happened to get an e-mail saying "Thank you for your application!" at that time. "Yeah, I put some preparation H on a guy, he was just thanking me."
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Nov 14, 2017 16:30
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Collateral Damage posted:No, you shouldn't tell them what you make now. It's unprofessional of them to even ask. Sure is, but at least I won’t get my hopes up for a job I can’t afford to take.
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Nov 14, 2017 16:38
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Fil5000 posted:"Yeah, I put some preparation H on a guy, he was just thanking me." Only if you just shared some chocolate covered pretzels with your boss.
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Nov 14, 2017 16:41
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Collateral Damage posted:No, you shouldn't tell them what you make now. It's unprofessional of them to even ask. It's a bullshit question so just tell them what you want. It's their job to lowball you and yours to extract as much as you think you are worth.
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Nov 14, 2017 16:50
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Nuclearmonkee posted:It's a bullshit question so just tell them what you want. It's their job to lowball you and yours to extract
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Nov 14, 2017 16:52
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I just tell them I'd like $45,000 please sir if that's possible because I don't want to be any trouble.
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Nov 14, 2017 16:55
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I just tell them I'd like $45,000 please sir if that's possible because I don't want to be any trouble.  "I'd like $45,000 please"  "A year?" "No, a month"As an aside, I swear to loving christ, if I could find 1 thing that interests me enough to learn it where I can jump to a better paying job, I'll be ecstatic. I like dabbling in everything too drat much.
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Nov 14, 2017 17:07
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Irritated Goat posted:
Per paycheck on a once a week pay period.
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Nov 14, 2017 17:10
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I just tell them I'd like $45,000 please sir if that's possible because I don't want to be any trouble. You’ve convinced me, actually. I’m going to be bold. Irritated Goat posted:
 I get aspirational Udemy modules. I should focus on ICND but I also want to learn Linux but how about power shell but oh wait employers really want AD....
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Nov 14, 2017 17:16
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Lol just finished my phone screen. Met all of the requirements plus some, except when it came down to the specific software suite the company uses. They wanted experience using the 7 specific tools their organization is built around, and similar tools weren't acceptable to them. Their salary range was also below average for the role. Good loving luck you idiots, nobody is going to have used those specific programs and is looking to be paid less in your remote city.
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Nov 14, 2017 17:17
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It's like management here when we talked about looking for a new programmer "we want RPG (AS400) and Sharepoint experience and don't want to pay more than 50k/yr". Good luck you chucklefucks.
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Nov 14, 2017 17:18
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Irritated Goat posted:
I've made a career out of being really good at several things, and decent at pretty much everything else. I'm finding it's not hard to be a "jack of all trades" and get a great paying job, the trick is finding those jobs that won't silo you making being good at tons of stuff pointless.
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Nov 14, 2017 17:22
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Lol just finished my phone screen. Met all of the requirements plus some, except when it came down to the specific software suite the company uses. They wanted experience using the 7 specific tools their organization is built around, and similar tools weren't acceptable to them. Wanted: Devops Engineer. Must have 10 years experience in Kubernetes, Docker, 15 years Chef. #3 is overqualification. In addition to Kubernetes, Docker, and Chef, don't even talk to me if you don't have your PMP, CCIE, ITIL, VCDX, MCSE and Network+. All the best listings have some combination of these 3.
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Nov 14, 2017 17:25
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I had a final interview late last week (haven't heard about it yet), and one of the things an interviewer mentioned was that I was "the only candidate who didn't put in a salary expectation" when I applied. I didn't think it was necessary. The job posting had a salary range listed on the advertisement, and putting in a salary expectation before the screening interview seems pointless at best, harmful at worst. I wasn't prepared for how much of a difference relocation makes to the process. I frequently turn down unsolicited requests for interviews in my local metro area because I'm trying to relocate to the Seattle area, and my applications there only lead to a screening interview 20-30% of the time.
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Nov 14, 2017 17:30
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GreenNight posted:It's like management here when we talked about looking for a new programmer "we want RPG (AS400) and Sharepoint experience and don't want to pay more than 50k/yr".  We can’t find qualified applicants in the US Please give us H1-B wage slaves Mr. Government btw I also deserve to pay less taxes.
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Nov 14, 2017 17:31
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I'm just starting to setup a job posting for a new helpdesk tech and I am excited about handing it to HR, having things added to it that I'm unaware of, and then having a bunch of overqualified candidates who want too much money for the role I originally sent out waste my time and theirs!
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Nov 14, 2017 17:35
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:This is my 2nd favorite unreasonable request. My #1 favorite is time travelling. I love over qualification as well. "We're posting this job that has nothing to do with networking, especially not Cisco, but we require a CCIE". I normally apply for those and still get a call back. Asking about the requirement normally gets an answer of "HR/Management doesn't understand what we do, so they just tack on every certification they have heard of"
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Nov 14, 2017 17:44
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By the way, that job I applied to? Huge leap from what I'm doing. Trying to get out of IT consultancy and went to a Product Owner role. Wish me luck, I know nothing about products (but learn really fast  ).
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Nov 14, 2017 18:21
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Oh crap. When I mentioned going for the CISO position at my company, someone here mentioned they will probably pull someone from the outside. I have a feeling that is about to happen. We have a security partner who's top guy very bright and we brought him yesterday for an 8 hour brain dump on our security platform. After our meeting with him, the president, the director or IT, and myself, they took him to lunch and didn't extend the invite to me. Then he came back and provided us a lot more info past 5pm Fuuuuck
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Nov 14, 2017 19:23
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Sepist posted:Oh crap. When I mentioned going for the CISO position at my company, someone here mentioned they will probably pull someone from the outside. I have a feeling that is about to happen. We have a security partner who's top guy very bright and we brought him yesterday for an 8 hour brain dump on our security platform. After our meeting with him, the president, the director or IT, and myself, they took him to lunch and didn't extend the invite to me. Then he came back and provided us a lot more info past 5pm Fuuuuck 
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Nov 14, 2017 19:28
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:Wanted: Devops Engineer. Must have 10 years experience in Kubernetes, Docker, 15 years Chef. Well I don't know about this Kubernetes thing, but I worked in the harbour for 10 years and have been cooking food for 15...
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Nov 14, 2017 19:34
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Sepist posted:Oh crap. When I mentioned going for the CISO position at my company, someone here mentioned they will probably pull someone from the outside. I have a feeling that is about to happen. We have a security partner who's top guy very bright and we brought him yesterday for an 8 hour brain dump on our security platform. After our meeting with him, the president, the director or IT, and myself, they took him to lunch and didn't extend the invite to me. Then he came back and provided us a lot more info past 5pm Fuuuuck That sucks man. Just ask your boss what the deal is. If they’re dishonest about it you can .Sounds fishy though.
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Nov 14, 2017 20:19
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skooma512 posted:So, the job wants to know my salary and what my range is before the first interview. It’s somewhat common for a potential employer to ask your current compensation. They’re using it see they’re able to afford you, if your “really” worth it and current market data. Sure, it may not be proper but I’d suggest throwing out “I’d like the market rate” and if they push give them with what you expect. There’s nothing to be gained out hours of interviews if no ones going to commit.
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Nov 14, 2017 20:20
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skooma512 posted:So, the job wants to know my salary and what my range is before the first interview. When the employer asks your current salary, you say no. When they ask you if you're are a god, you say... YES! Tab8715 posted:It’s somewhat common for a potential employer to ask your current compensation. They’re using it see they’re able to afford you, if your “really” worth it and current market data. Nah, just no, you can tell them "I need this much" and that's that, they can take it or leave it, especially in IT. Here in Massachusetts they actually made that current salary poo poo illegal to ask, because the courts ruled that it systemically maintains the pay gap for women. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Nov 14, 2017 |
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A job offer came in. It was an obscenely high number, the technology stack is loving awesome and the people seemed hella nice. But the commute was over an hour and I just can't do that to myself again no matter how much they're paying. So I tell them I need time to consider it while I finish out my other scheduled interviews. A few days later I go on an interview with a different company and get an offer from them. Very different job. But they're in a restructuring process so I'd have more say about building out the tech stack. Sounds awesome. During the interview I mention that I had a previous offer on the table and I told them the salary, just to gauge the reaction since it's way more than I would ever ask for. A friend of mine works for the company so I've got him giving me the inside info because their HR department is notoriously slow. He tells me that his boss is definitely working on bringing me in and the offer is definitely coming. It turns out they are actually rewriting the job posting under a different position so they can match the salary from the first offer. I just have to wait for it to go through the process. Sometimes throwing out big numbers pays off I guess.
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Nov 14, 2017 20:39
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HatfulOfHollow posted:A job offer came in. It was an obscenely high number, the technology stack is loving awesome and the people seemed hella nice. But the commute was over an hour and I just can't do that to myself again no matter how much they're paying. Would you consider moving closer?
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Nov 14, 2017 20:40
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Bob Morales posted:Would you consider moving closer? I want to stay in a city. I'm currently in Baltimore, which is super cheap. The job is actually closer to DC but DC traffic blows and the city is expensive as gently caress. Basically I'd be trading commute time for higher cost of living. Or I could move to suburbia but.... no.
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Nov 14, 2017 20:48
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HatfulOfHollow posted:Sometimes throwing out big numbers pays off I guess. That’s a sweet deal if it comes through, fingers crossed! I should test the waters myself. I like my current gig but feel I can get a decent pay raise if I get a new job. Some company just bought my old company and they expressed serious intentions to keep me along. I’m afraid it’s just  though. The tech stack at my current role is seriously limited which may hurt me in the long run. No on call is a big plus though. I think I should just start looking for a job I would really love, with a low commute, great tech stack and decent education benefits.
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Nov 14, 2017 20:55
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HatfulOfHollow posted:I want to stay in a city. I'm currently in Baltimore, which is super cheap. The job is actually closer to DC but DC traffic blows and the city is expensive as gently caress. Basically I'd be trading commute time for higher cost of living. Or I could move to suburbia but.... no. If the second job falls through, you could always see if the first one is willing to let you work remote at least a percentage of the time. 1 hour commute is more doable done 2 days a week vs 5.
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Nov 14, 2017 21:05
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HatfulOfHollow posted:A job offer came in. It was an obscenely high number, the technology stack is loving awesome and the people seemed hella nice. But the commute was over an hour and I just can't do that to myself again no matter how much they're paying. So I tell them I need time to consider it while I finish out my other scheduled interviews. I am glad other people aren't jaded by the talk of "restructuring" because that would give me a bad feeling after.
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Sickening posted:I am glad other people aren't jaded by the talk of "restructuring" because that would give me a bad feeling after. Restructuring the technology stack. Not the company. They are expanding the department and bringing in new people to help them reevaluate the way they do things. Poor word choice on my part.
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Always a chance the restructure fucks up and you're left with no responsibilities, no work, but nobody notices and everybody assumes your work is important. I was hired into a new role that was created by restructuring. I had zero work to do, sometimes for weeks at a time. The work I did was scriptable and took less than an hour to set up. It was a poo poo job and I hated it but it looks great on my resume.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:I was hired into a new role that was created by restructuring. I had zero work to do, sometimes for weeks at a time. The work I did was scriptable and took less than an hour to set up. Oh my god I'm so loving bored, there is nothing to do as almost everything comes down to "Run this script" and every process comes down to "I dunno".
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