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Guavanaut posted:It's like when they proved that heavy and prolonged usage of cannabis is linked to psychosis, but only in people with a certain genetic marker who had suffered childhood trauma or abuse. Iirc there's a respectable amount of evidence supporting mental harm from cannabis use when begun at a young age. My hot take is it's a bad idea to start until you're old enough to know better, after that you can just go right ahead
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Oh dear me posted:I don't think anyone disagreed with said historical reasons, made excuses, or doubted that big nation states exploit small nation states, and that this is bad and should stop. The disagreement is over how to arrive at that position. It is a traditional left wing view that stressing the nationality of the people responsible is less helpful than stressing the actual things that gave them the power to do so, and opposing those. I dunno about that, amongst others. I think nitpicking the exact historical/socio-economic details is something that could follow a basic acknowledgement of the power dynamic between England and its satellite states, and when whatabouttery is deployed in lieu of said basic acknowledgement it becomes a dismissal of legitimate grievances - and thus tacit approval of injustice and inequality. Maybe next time just say "yeah that sucks"? That we would like to live in a world without the manufactured tribalism of nationalist ideology is not reason to pretend that nations and their antecedents do not and have not existed in the past or that they have not and do not continue to commit injustices against one another. The very real problems of poverty and regional neglect in Wales (and Scotland, and Cornwall, and the North of England...) do not somehow disappear if we rename them "West UK", "Very North UK" etc. In turn, I don't think the extremely pressing business of UKMT's favourite Monster Munch or which train station platform posters have shat upon is particularly stymied by a poster not sufficiently unpacking the concepts of "Wales" and "England" in a ragepost on a dying comedy forum. Lt. Danger fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Nov 15, 2017 |
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quote:Labour’s Angela Eagle says earlier this year May said she was the only person who could provide strong and stable leadership in the national interest. With her cabinet crumbling, how is it going? I can only guess that's a compliment? 
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:Iirc there's a respectable amount of evidence supporting mental harm from cannabis use when begun at a young age. My hot take is it's a bad idea to start until you're old enough to know better, after that you can just go right ahead Now, what I'm not sure is how much of that is correlation and how much is causation, because the kids who are most likely to abuse drugs (including alcohol) are not likely to be the kids with the best childhoods.
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jBrereton posted:There is no reason it specifically funds healthcare systems to take care of those who choose to drink. That's a silly structural argument. I don't think I ever posted that?
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Here is what the Supreme Court said about minimum pricing vs taxation:quote:...minimum pricing targets the health hazards of cheap alcohol and the groups most affected in a way that an increase in excise or VAT does not. The latter would be felt across the board in relation to the whole category of goods to which it applied and unnecessarily affect groups which are not the focus of the legislation... Second, in agreement with the Lord Ordinary, minimum pricing is easier to understand and simpler to enforce. It would not be open to absorption (e.g. by selling alcohol below cost in order to attract other business onto their premises). Seems reasonable to me. At least, after five years of faffing about, we can finally get on with it.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:Well, it's taught mandatorily from ages 4-18, with few exemptions. And after that ehhhhhhhh I guess they throw a few token million at things like bilingual signage, TG4 our Irish-language TV station, and then RTE has a mandate for a certain amount of Irish-language programming including an Irish-language national radio station. Not much in other words That's still better than over here.
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Can't wait until swivel eyed duppers insist northern ireland gets signage in Scots, or "signage in Scots", as we'd say in English.
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Lt. Danger posted:I dunno about that, amongst others. I think nitpicking the exact historical/socio-economic details is something that could follow a basic acknowledgement of the power dynamic between England and its satellite states, and when whatabouttery is deployed in lieu of said basic acknowledgement it becomes a dismissal of legitimate grievances - and thus tacit approval of injustice and inequality. Maybe next time just say "yeah that sucks"? maybe I'm confused, but it seems like the general thrust of the linked post was argument over whether Wales is innocent of the original sin of imperialism - which seems relevant re: pretense and injustices
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Alertrelic posted:the Lord Ordinary
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Jedit posted:So it's a Tory policy with "och aye the noo" added to the end? Did you have some Pavlovian conditioning as a child that compels you to act like a oval office every time the SNP are mentioned?
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Quick reminder that the Gurkhas did great out the Empire and therefore are exactly as guilty as everyone else
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Especially with their equal pensions and right to move freely to and from the UK.
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Guavanaut posted:Especially with their equal pensions and right to move freely to and from the UK. Nepal, the real bastards
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Obliterati posted:Nepal, the real bastards They're ne pals of mine.
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hyper from Pixie Sticks posted:Did you have some Pavlovian conditioning as a child that compels you to act like a oval office every time the SNP are mentioned? It's hardly unjustified.
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Guavanaut posted:Between them, the Lords Spiritual, the Lords Temporal, Lord Adonis, Lord Elder, and Baroness Blood, I can't tell if our political system sounds more like a Klan meeting or a poo poo fantasy novel. Not forgetting Lord Archer, Lord Cashman, Lord Crisp, Lords Dear and Darling, Lord Eatwell, Lord Falconer, Lord Goodlad (presumably of Whomeanswell), Baroness Jolly, Lord Judge, two Lords King, Lord Mair, Baroness Rock, Earl Sandwich, Viscount Slim, Lord Snape, Lord Spicer, Lord Steel, Baroness and Lord Stern, Lord Sugar, Lord Trees, Lord True, Baroness Valentine, Baroness Wolf, Lord Woolf, Lord Wolfson, three Lords and two Baronesses Young and Viscount Younger Toffs are ridiculous
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Guavanaut posted:Between them, the Lords Spiritual, the Lords Temporal, Lord Adonis, Lord Elder, and Baroness Blood, I can't tell if our political system sounds more like a Klan meeting or a poo poo fantasy novel. But you repeat yourself
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Guavanaut posted:Especially with their equal pensions and right to move freely to and from the UK. They have better rights than spouses of UK citizens lmao
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sebzilla posted:*consults list* dare you to call Sugar a toff to his face
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Minimum unit pricing will almost certainly save lives, but at the cost of restricting the behaviour of the poor. It's also not particularly efficient, because if illegal drugs have taught us anything it's that making something harder to obtain doesn't prevent addiction. I'd expect to see a decent rise in shoplifting if this comes into force. The best way to deal with addiction will always be to improve people's lives until they don't feel the need to block out reality, and to support addicts who want to quit.
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sebzilla posted:Lord Judge Better when he was Judge Judge imo (although in court he would have been addressed as Mr Justice Judge IIRC).
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https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/930795954273480710 While I don't necessarily agree with the arrangement of benefits being paid directly to the landlord in general, surely just cutting all of that off is a predictable recipe for disaster
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jabby posted:Minimum unit pricing will almost certainly save lives, but at the cost of restricting the behaviour of the poor. It's also not particularly efficient, because if illegal drugs have taught us anything it's that making something harder to obtain doesn't prevent addiction. I'd expect to see a decent rise in shoplifting if this comes into force. Ban bathtubs.
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Borrovan posted:
Just of note DrinkAware are "funded largely by voluntary and unrestricted donations from UK alcohol producers, retailers and supermarkets". They push heavily the matters of personal choice and personal responsibility when it comes to alcohol consumption and somewhat sidestep that there are any other actors in the production, advertising, and retail of booze. They, and various related charities / non-profits are very happy to fund studies that look at drinking habits at the personal level - even funding studies on interventions to reduce alcohol consumption - but less so when it comes to cultural or systemic matters on alcohol. (Fun fact: If you take any of their money, even to fund an alcohol harm-reduction study, you are regarded in the research community as forever tainted and cannot join various research groups, such as those who built the minimum pricing models). With DrinkAware's stance in mind, it would be expected for them to push 'both sides' on their page to meet a need of discussing the topic but ultimately leave it as a personal matter for you-the-reader to decide if it is a good idea or not. -- The actual models that have contributed to the policy address issues of income and uneven impact across income quintiles. Most people, including those in the lowest quintiles, aren't going to be affected substantively by the change: 
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sebzilla posted:Viscount Slim, There's no way this is not a biscuit
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jabby posted:Minimum unit pricing will almost certainly save lives, but at the cost of restricting the behaviour of the poor. It's also not particularly efficient, because if illegal drugs have taught us anything it's that making something harder to obtain doesn't prevent addiction. I'd expect to see a decent rise in shoplifting if this comes into force. Actually, availability and pricing has an absolutely immense effect on illegal drug use as well There are lots of people who begin using because their lives suck, sure, but there are lots of others who describe their lives as having been fine, and can confidently point to their drug use as the thing that made their lives fall apart. There are people who are genetically predisposed toward chemical addiction and others that have problems with impulsive behavior... people don't only choose to drink to "block out reality", it's something lots of people do to handle weird stuff in their life. Having them reach for a six pack of piss instead of the three-litre of weapons grade cider can make an absolutely huge difference.
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You're all forgetting Lady Garden.
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UK toffs have really cool names. I'd read a young adult novel about the House of Lords.
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 Please Note: Dicks' Adventures No10-12 have been withdrawn due to court order.
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Miftan posted:UK toffs have really cool names. I'd read a young adult novel about the House of Lords. 
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Julio Cruz posted:You're all forgetting Lady Garden. And Baroness Anelay.
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1) relevant to the nationalism discussion: I wonder how much of the SWA's fury stems from bafflement that Holyrood is supporting a policy that punishes Scotch and favours sweet ciders 2) thanks mr... cameron? the coalition govt backed away really hard from any policies that smelt of social engineering following the fiasco that was the pasty tax, however
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ronya posted:maybe I'm confused, but it seems like the general thrust of the linked post was argument over whether Wales is innocent of the original sin of imperialism - which seems relevant re: pretense and injustices Well, Saith's argument was that we probably shouldn't cast
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Well this a thing that just happened. My youngest child (11) just came up to me and said; “did you like that television program you were watching yesterday mummy?” “What program?” “That reality program with the bad men” “Bad men?” “You were shouting at them. Was it a play?” “I’m confused here my lovely” “Oh Em Gee mummy!! That thing about Europe being bad!” BBC Parliament. Apon seeing it for the first time my baby thought BBC Parliament was some sort of weird apocalyptic reality show where old men were the villains
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ronya posted:2) thanks mr... cameron? the coalition govt backed away really hard from any policies that smelt of social engineering following the fiasco that was the pasty tax, however The Department of Health had been considering this well before the 2010 election. DH have been funding minimum pricing research since at least before 2008 (based on publication dates from Sheffield's alcohol policy research group). The main paper everyone talks about - SAPM's paper on minimum pricing came out 24th March 2010.
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