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IronicDongz posted:they're actually hugely buffing fun because getting a pick and then having mercy just undo it is the absolute worst most unfun loving thing in this game's entire lifespan
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Extra Tasty posted:i think the only thing the mercy nerfs will do is make it so she'll only use rez when ulting...so her old ult but worse. her mobility is what's actually enjoyable about her playstyle so it's like they're nerfing fun at this point. Yes, Op=Fun. She had the best battle tempo out of all the healers and the best mobility followed by being the second best single-target healer in the game. Of course, she's fun. But now she can't just easily battle-res a teammate that got picked in the middle of a firefight, which meant that every fight was a 6+1 with her, making her one of the best healers. Blizzard sucks with design, her resurrect gives full health back. She could potentially restore 400+ HP in the middle of a fight just by being in proximity and pressing a single button.
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Extra Tasty posted:i think the only thing the mercy nerfs will do is make it so she'll only use rez when ulting...so her old ult but worse. her mobility is what's actually enjoyable about her playstyle so it's like they're nerfing fun at this point.
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Nov 15, 2017 21:56
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No Wave posted:What part of her mobility are they nerfing? she moves 75% slower when using res, so she's pretty much a statue for nearly 2 seconds when trying to bring someone back to life this doesn't affect valkyrie tho
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No Wave posted:What part of her mobility are they nerfing? The part during the res.
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I stopped playing OW for a bit because the Ana buff and Moira existing, combined with the upcoming Mercy nerf, is the perfect storm to take that Swiss lich down a peg. I just can't stand playing her game any longer, knowing those changes are on the horizon. Maybe Mercy will still be the best healer, me am don't know balance things well enough to predict how that will shake out. But at least the level of superiority she has over the other healers will be diminished to the point that being on the team without an angel won't necessarily feel like an instant loss. That's all I want.
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Nov 16, 2017 01:13
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when exactly is the game going to be fun to play again? I thought the patch was gonna hit yesterday.
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It was pretty unlikely Moira was going to go live that quickly, I don't think the PTR turnaround is usually that quick. I would guess either next week or the week after, but maybe they'll do a surprise patch to coincide with the free weekend.
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Moira will probably drop onto live tomorrow.
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IronicDongz posted:they're actually hugely buffing fun because getting a pick and then having mercy just undo it is the absolute worst most unfun loving thing in this game's entire lifespan Widow is the worst thing about this game.
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imo the least fun hero to play against and the one that hurts fun the most has gotta be orisa
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teagone posted:Moira will probably drop onto live tomorrow. That probably make sense, as Doomfist was a Thursday release.
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Nov 16, 2017 02:42
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the least fun character to play against is every character that uses shields, barriers, or healing to make fights into endless slogs Mercy's res makes her a strong contender but she just has the swingiest balance of them all
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Nov 16, 2017 02:48
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Main Paineframe posted:the least fun character to play against is every character that uses shields, barriers, or healing to make fights into endless slogs Well you see dying generates bad feelings and for a game to be fun it must have zero bad feelings.
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Nov 16, 2017 03:01
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CaptainScraps posted:Widow is the worst thing about this game. not even close
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Main Paineframe posted:the least fun character to play against is every character that uses shields, barriers, or healing to make fights into endless slogs Bruh, shields make it a puzzle that you have to decide to crack, fight around , or avoid. It's part of the brawl concept. What IS poo poo is DPS Sniper classes in a 6v6 game about brawling. They don't interact with 90% of the cast and it's definitely no fun to be one-shot from across the map because you peaked your head an inch around the corner.
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Thor-Stryker posted:Bruh, shields make it a puzzle that you have to decide to crack, fight around , or avoid. It's part of the brawl concept. Maybe don't peek the sniper? Or stand behind one of those barriers? If you're getting instantly murdered by a Widow every time you walk out, and you legitimately think that Widow is a balance problem, they're probably enough better than you that they'd be dunking on you with just about any character.
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Overwatch would probably be more fun if neither snipers nor tanks existed. But since they do, at least they help curb some of the worst parts of each other.
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I think a good Widow is actually a reasonable challenge who can be approached with the mobile tanks and other high mobility characters. Hanzo on the other hand is awful.
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The Blue Caboose posted:Maybe don't peek the sniper? Or stand behind one of those barriers? If you're getting instantly murdered by a Widow every time you walk out, and you legitimately think that Widow is a balance problem, they're probably enough better than you that they'd be dunking on you with just about any character. That's called "killing my fun of being in the middle of everything and loving brawling." She's not fun for anyone but the person playing her and even then, she doesn't get on the loving point.
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Do you get pissed off about a McCree or soldier sitting on high ground and doming you in the head while you're brawling as well? Because both those characters don't really get involved in the brawling either, preferring to sit back and shoot people in the heads.
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berenzen posted:Do you get pissed off about a McCree or soldier sitting on high ground and doming you in the head while you're brawling as well? Because both those characters don't really get involved in the brawling either, preferring to sit back and shoot people in the heads. Don't they have substantial falloff
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CaptainScraps posted:That's called "killing my fun of being in the middle of everything and loving brawling." sorry that you just wanna walk into a big group of people I guess but positioning should be more complicated than that. FAUXTON posted:Don't they have substantial falloff
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FAUXTON posted:Don't they have substantial falloff 22-30m still keeps you well out of a brawl, particularly on high ground.
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FAUXTON posted:Don't they have substantial falloff yeah when pushed off high ledges
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Dizz posted:yeah when pushed off high ledges lol
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 that's the most fun about playing mobile tanks like dva and winston. jump on those bitches and make em drop into the fray
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IronicDongz posted:widow is fun to fight actually McCrees falloff wouldn't be much a problem if the curve wasn't abysmal or was capped. Extending his range back to 30-40m would be oppressive as gently caress though.
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needknees posted:
Or playing roadhog and making them the next contestant on the price is right
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Would it totally break Winston if his DPS was upped to like... I dunno, 70, so you could at least beat Mercy's healing? As it is, a target being healed is completely invulnerable to you. Yeah, you should probably go for the Mercy instead but it's the little things. Similarly, for an ulting Mercy, you do 40 dps given her regeneration, which means you need to be on her for five whole seconds to kill her alone, and Winston's not nearly as mobile as Mercy is so good luck ever doing that. I like playing Winston but he's basically completely invalidated if there's a Mercy on the enemy team.
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Winston with 70 dps would equate to him killing 200hp heroes in just under three seconds, or around two seconds if you land on someone with your jump and melee afterwards. They'd probably have to nerf his mobility and/or shield to compensate, because that'd get really frustrating to play against real quick. I've grown to either pounce on out of position people or go straight for the healers as Winston. Trying to zap anyone getting healed feels like a fool's game.
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At 70 DPS Winston's need to reload would still lose against Mercy healing for anyone except the most wounded opponents, so Winston would be considerably more effective against opponents without healing while still being countered by Mercy/Ana. And that's OK. Winston's entire thing is that he's all about positioning: you give up having to aim your gun but your decisions on when and where to engage/disengage become absolutely crucial. If e.g. Soldier fucks up and puts himself in a bad situation he can still try to fight his way out using superior aim. Winston doesn't have that option, so it's 100% on him not to put himself in a bad situation in the first place.
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Winston was already one of the strongest heroes in the game before The Patch that Broke Everythjing, he really doesn't need a buff.
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Also that Winston's gun is cleave damage, so if you're shocking Mercy, you can sometimes also get the person she's attached to or a group, and that's a lot more dps.
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Winston isn’t really a killer. I pull him out to take care of pesky Tracers, Genjis and Symms that are a dime a dozen in casual.
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Nov 16, 2017 19:11
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just buff winston's melee. he's a muscly gorilla and you're telling me his punch deals the same damage as a tiny british girl?
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Dizz posted:just buff winston's melee. he's a muscly gorilla and you're telling me his punch deals the same damage as a tiny british girl? he's a nerd though so his melee should only do half damage
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I mean, doomfist doesn't melee with his loving doomfist, so I'm not sure that argument works.
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well not his fast melee anyways. rein doesn't even get a fast melee
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I was just thinking that I had never actually tried hitting melee on Reinhardt and wondering what happened. They should give him a melee attack where he clocks people with a beer stein.
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