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Aesculus posted:It doesn't help that certain right-wingers in the Greens are unironically Parliamentary Friends of Israel Yeah sure, but like all anyone has to do is to avoid using ethnic slurs/attacks and everything is fine. Due to literally generations of baked-in antisemitism (thanks to the Church) somehow we haven't been able to not whip out the "Fukken Jews" card whenever
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Hey Maybe Melbourne isn't so great what with all the anti-semetism and all Maybe Perth can be best city for a while - we all voted for SSM, have a Labor govt*... The coffee isn't poo poo anymore... SMALL BARS? Oh and our housing bubble is pretty much sorted. Just uh don't try to use the Freeways ok *Ok it's a really centre right labor govt but still
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Nov 17, 2017 02:43
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I don't think attacking Israel is the way either. Attack their policies but don't attack "Israel" because it's always perceived as attacking Jews.
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Nov 17, 2017 02:43
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Don Dongington posted:Hey Maybe Melbourne isn't so great what with all the anti-semetism and all
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Nov 17, 2017 02:49
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Christ, Danby will have a field day with that.
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Nov 17, 2017 02:57
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Yeah, whoever did that needs to be named, shamed, and kicked out.
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Nov 17, 2017 03:10
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JBP posted:I don't think attacking Israel is the way either. Attack their policies but don't attack "Israel" because it's always perceived as attacking Jews. So is attacking their policies though. For a bunch of reasons, discussing Israel is political poison, and I feel that's a major reason why so little progress has been made. It doesn't help that actual, dedicated anti-semites and nazis keep popping up in the conversation to remind everyone why Israel is a little leary of criticism.
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Nov 17, 2017 03:13
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Also, I really have never understood the anti-Semite thing. Even if you're just against Isreali policy and actions on Palestine (which fair deal if you are because they're pretty lovely tbh) how the gently caress do you conflate that Jewish people in Australia are responsible for that? Or is this some kind of older "All Jewish people are conniving gold hoarders" crap?
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Nov 17, 2017 03:17
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CrazyTolradi posted:Also, I really have never understood the anti-Semite thing. Even if you're just against Isreali policy and actions on Palestine (which fair deal if you are because they're pretty lovely tbh) how the gently caress do you conflate that Jewish people in Australia are responsible for that? Or is this some kind of older "All Jewish people are conniving gold hoarders" crap? yes, yes it is
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Nov 17, 2017 03:18
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*reads Protocols of the Elders of Avshalom* *begins to dance*
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Nov 17, 2017 03:20
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Nov 17, 2017 03:27
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It’s not helped by either side, you have some actual anti-semites, but that feeds into hardcore zionists claiming anyone who doesn’t give full throated support to the eradication of Palestine being part of the SS.
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Nov 17, 2017 03:28
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That's why it is important to call out the crap when it emerges, because otherwise any legitimate criticism you make emboldens them.
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Nov 17, 2017 03:30
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Don Dongington posted:Hey Maybe Melbourne isn't so great what with all the anti-semetism and all also our film festivals aren't run by fascists
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Nov 17, 2017 03:42
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Really getting the impression that NSW and Vic are a hotbed for fascists
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Nov 17, 2017 03:49
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Recoome posted:Really getting the impression that NSW and Vic are a hotbed for fascists I've noticed a fair bit of it coming out of SA, but that may be annecdotal.
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Nov 17, 2017 03:51
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Recoome posted:Really getting the impression that Australia is a hotbed for fascists
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Nov 17, 2017 03:51
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Maybe, just maybe, Australia is poo poo.
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Nov 17, 2017 03:52
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Maybe the more progressive, inclusive states generate the motivation for backlash from the small number of fascist/bigot/whatevers In Queensland they figure what's the point?
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EoinCannon posted:Maybe the more progressive, inclusive states generate the motivation for backlash from the small number of fascist/bigot/whatevers
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Nov 17, 2017 04:04
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i give deep-throated support to palestinian liberty
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Nov 17, 2017 04:11
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I think it has to do with critical mass. Like if it's you and 5 guys in Townsville, you're probably not going to be vocal. If it's you and 50 guys in the inner fringe of Melbourne, you probably will be. And if you're those 5 guys in Townsville, who knows. You might decide to look to move to Melbourne and get involved with all that. I know a lot of the "Melbourne set up" probably coalesced around the Bendigo Mosque protests and there were probably people from the rest of Australia there who might've come back to Melbourne to try and get a big win.
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Nov 17, 2017 04:12
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I don't think there's been a Cronulla riots situation in Queensland yet has there?
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Nov 17, 2017 04:23
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Also for a lot of the UPF style rallies down here they would also fly in people from out of state to speak too. Also there's not point rallying for that kind of thing in Queensland where most people already agree with it.
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Nov 17, 2017 04:25
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hahah with their anti-freedom of association laws and similar fascism intended to crush bikie gangs, I reckon such a thing would last 2 minutes before the jackboots started cracking skulls and deploying gas.
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Nov 17, 2017 04:25
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Also wearing a lot of black and standing around on a corner in Qld loving sucks, just ask goths
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thatbastardken posted:Also wearing a lot of black and standing around on a corner in Qld loving sucks, just ask goths
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Nov 17, 2017 04:32
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a few years ago i moved from sydney to a small country town and got a job as marketing manager at a real estate agency, and the director would just straight-up say to me "you understand we're just trying to make a profit here, you know how important that is, it's your culture", but not in a way that involved any negative feeling toward me whatsoever like they genuinely thought of me as this magical wealth elf that frolics through life bathed in a never-ending rain of golden coins from heaven. then they wouldn't let me actually do anything so i think they just thought having a jew sitting in their office would naturally bring fortune, like a lucky cat statuette
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CrazyTolradi posted:Also, I really have never understood the anti-Semite thing. Even if you're just against Isreali policy and actions on Palestine (which fair deal if you are because they're pretty lovely tbh) how the gently caress do you conflate that Jewish people in Australia are responsible for that? Or is this some kind of older "All Jewish people are conniving gold hoarders" crap? Yes. But also a concerted effort to conflate Israel with Jewish people in general by right-wing Israel supporters. You can't link two things explicitly to protect one from attack and then be surprised when people attack the other thing. Not that right wingers ever thought anything through to the logical outcome.
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noyes posted:a few years ago i moved from sydney to a small country town and got a job as marketing manager at a real estate agency, and the director would just straight-up say to me "you understand we're just trying to make a profit here, you know how important that is, it's your culture", but not in a way that involved any negative feeling toward me whatsoever like they genuinely thought of me as this magical wealth elf that frolics through life bathed in a never-ending rain of golden coins from heaven. then they wouldn't let me actually do anything so i think they just thought having a jew sitting in their office would naturally bring fortune, like a lucky cat statuette holy poo poo, I can't imagine saying something like that to anyone, negative feeling or not
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noyes posted:a few years ago i moved from sydney to a small country town and got a job as marketing manager at a real estate agency, and the director would just straight-up say to me "you understand we're just trying to make a profit here, you know how important that is, it's your culture", but not in a way that involved any negative feeling toward me whatsoever like they genuinely thought of me as this magical wealth elf that frolics through life bathed in a never-ending rain of golden coins from heaven. then they wouldn't let me actually do anything so i think they just thought having a jew sitting in their office would naturally bring fortune, like a lucky cat statuette Please tell me they'd wheel you out in front of particular clients just so they could say "and this is our associate, Mr Goldberg".
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Nov 17, 2017 04:49
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i couldn't even be offended, i was just like haha ok i love gold
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then i left the agency and ran a jewellery shop in the town for a yearJBP posted:Please tell me they'd wheel you out in front of particular clients just so they could say "and this is our associate, Mr Goldberg".
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Nov 17, 2017 04:50
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It's kinda amazing how catholics banning usury amongst their followers and also banning Jewish people from all kinds of work and land ownership set up this jews love money meme for literal centuries.
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the only reason i was in the town in the first place was because a (gentile) local friend told me it had "lots of jews" as evidenced by its large jewish section in the cemetery. just before leaving i checked the cemetery and there was not a single jewish name in the place. i was lied to
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noyes posted:the only reason i was in the town in the first place was because a (gentile) local friend told me it had "lots of jews" as evidenced by its large jewish section in the cemetery. just before leaving i checked the cemetery and there was not a single jewish name in the place. i was lied to Hey man come to our town we got loads of Jews! Dead ones that is. I mean in retrospect you should have been suspicious.
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Nov 17, 2017 04:53
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aussie wasps often don't realise this, but people in this country will say to your face completely unprovoked "i understand that [negative thing] is part of your culture!" and then just stand there gazing intently into your eyes waiting for you to congratulate them on how tolerant they are
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Nov 17, 2017 04:54
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cohsae posted:Hey man come to our town we got loads of Jews!
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Nov 17, 2017 04:55
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This story is one of some truly weird rear end discrimination.
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noyes posted:aussie wasps often don't realise this, but people in this country will say to your face completely unprovoked "i understand that [negative thing] is part of your culture!" and then just stand there gazing intently into your eyes waiting for you to congratulate them on how tolerant they are
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