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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Look i'm coming off a Cod:wwii where loving stukas are a plot element in 1944 France soI'm just peeved as heck in general and have no outlet besides this forum I can see Stukas being present in France in 1944... (GIs walk through burned-out airfield. They pass the wreckage of a Stuka. "Hey, Joe, want a souvenir?")
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Kanine posted:aaaaaaannd i was proven right the milhist thread taught me that all leftists support soviet style centrally planned state capitalism and that trotskyism, maoism, titoism, leftcoms, and socialists/demsocs never existed and were all apart of the comintern without dissent and the soviet system is, and always has been, the only form of socialism to ever exist OwlFancier posted:Yeah as far as I know the only method of producing steel before the advent of the blast furnace was blooming it which is... sort of you build a one shot furnace and fire it, then knock it apart and take the molten lump of steel and a bunch of poo poo out of the middle, then whack the hell out of it to get the good stuff. You can do it in a more permanent structure too but you still get a big lump of stuff out at the end which you have to then work with hammers. What is a blast furnace and what are its advantages that make steel production faster or easier or what? MANime in the sheets posted:How is iron ore 'bad'? I genuinely don't know, I'd think iron is iron is iron - after all it is a basic element. Is it just low concentrations in the rock, or...? Basically a given piece of ore isn't 100% iron, and varies in makeup. You're right by saying it's low iron concentrations in the rock. This is complicated further by when you smelt down the iron it still carries impurities, which is basically that the iron you've smelted isn't 100% iron, and contain things like silica or carbon. I'm not sure how other byproducts affect the metal, but I know in carbon and graphite's case it can make the metal more brittle. In practice this means that metalworkers have to put in more work to make something of a higher quality, like hammering out slag. Slag can even form during the metallurgical process when impurities within the metal oxidize, which means that the lower amount of iron in the ore constantly effects the overall quality of the worked iron. This must be taken out by hammering or refining, the Japanese dealt with high slag/impurity content by doing the folding process which through constant reheating and working it processed out more and more slag which was necessary due to not just high carbon content of the steel/iron but also due to other high concentrations of impurities like copper and sulfur. I'll see if I can dredge up my old textbook on metallurgy and answer further Another question: How did soldiers, knights, et cetera physically train? Would they do what we do today, and basically work out? Or would they just perform physical labor to train themselves? I know that ancient greek city states practiced calisthenics, but did this take on throughout history or was the art of doing jumping jacks "lost." I've heard a myth that there was a practice where someone would sew weights into clothing, and wear the clothing, to build strength and stamina. How true is this?
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Phi230 posted:gently caress you all
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Can you stop wrapping infantile attempts at snipes in long questioning posts and shut the gently caress up already.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Yeah... At least you could reload the garand mid-clip in this one. But it still goes PING even if you do and I feel like that’s not right
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Does the MG 34 go ping? I just want my guns to go ping.
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Ainsley McTree posted:At least you could reload the garand mid-clip in this one. But it still goes PING even if you do and I feel like that’s not right It can happen, and it happens to my garand often enough even when reloading mid-clip. Reloading mid-clip is annoying as hell tho
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Does anyone know a good source for post-WWII paratrooper operations? I know that French used them extensively in Vietnam and Algeria, and that there were combat jumps in Korea. But I haven't really found much beyond the basic accounts of numbers and places, etc - no more than what Wikipedia would have, essentially.
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Ainsley McTree posted:At least you could reload the garand mid-clip in this one. But it still goes PING even if you do and I feel like that’s not right This is why owning a Garand is great, I can get the authentic PING! whenever I want 
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Jobbo_Fett posted:This is why owning a Garand is great, I can get the authentic Like sticking your hands into a bear trap
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Phi230 posted:Like sticking your hands into a bear trap Just lol if you don't know how to properly reload a Garand
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Everyone mashes their thumb at least once though. It's the firearms equivalent of stubbing your toe on the coffee table.
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But soldiers just emptied their magazine into the wall instead of ejecting the clip manually, Medal of Honor said so!
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Comrade Gorbash posted:Everyone mashes their thumb at least once though. It's the firearms equivalent of stubbing your toe on the coffee table. I've been lucky so far I guess?
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Ainsley McTree posted:At least you could reload the garand mid-clip in this one. But it still goes PING even if you do and I feel like that’s not right The Garand still goes ping, since the ping is from the force of the clip ejection.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:I've been lucky so far I guess?
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Comrade Gorbash posted:It's one of those things that even though you drat well know better, it'll happen anyways if you shoot enough. Like slamming your hand in a car door. The first thought will be "why the gently caress did I do that." I once asked myself "Can I load a Garand clip with one bullet and shoot it" Yes you can, but its not really worth the effort.
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chitoryu12 posted:The Garand still goes ping, since the ping is from the force of the clip ejection. Truly the pinnacle of firearm engineering then 
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Everything the luftwaffe had besides fighters was an agonising mess, thats my opinion forever.109 and 190 production was so modernized and reasonably effective that production continued rising til 1945, but can anybody say that of the 30s airliner vintage bombers and transports? The worlds largest transports completely wasted in unsustainable and failed ressuply missions? God if anybody knows anything about multi engine aircraft developement in germany Id love to hear it, because as far as im concerned it all stopped in 1939 and everything after was totally fly-by-wire nonsense I'm something of an obsessive sperg on the subject  Fw 200 part 1 Fw 200 part 2 Ju 290 The start of a series on Amerika bombers[also, other bombers.] In short, there was lots of fuckerage when it came to big bombers. Among these include: 1. Germany going to war some two years earlier than most people expected; 2. A really awful series of decisions that lead to the He 177 program. Because the Luftwaffe refused to hedge its aircraft bets AND bet everything on a really, really ambitious design, they had a sunk costs fallacy/too big to fail situation. Good Leadership might have been able to level things out, but that was really lacking at the Reich Air Ministry. [RLM] 3. German Industry was so used to the RLM being hostile to any four engine bomber designs that when the war started they were all working on large civilian aircraft instead. 4. A shift in German thinking. When 1942 started, the Germans decided strategic bombers would in fact be a good thing. Now however, they had made their "bet it all" attack on Russia, and now doing something like starting the production of a new type of aircraft the Germans didn't have a lot of experience with was very difficult. 5. The Germans in this later time had good designs for bombers, and actually developed some pretty good ideas on how to get around their impacted aircraft industry. Unfortunately these happened far too late to have any effect. 6. Oh, and Jobbo_Fett already mentioned that the Germans had a habit of saying "let's make our next medium bombers have the performance of heavy bombers." In addition to the He 177, they had a "Bomber B" program to develop next generation medium bombers that could take heavy bomb loads. This program imploded as nobody could perfect an engine with the right output. The engine thing is really significant, as other posters have already said. Doing some reading around for Sky Trucks, I noticed the C-46 Commando, a prewar transport design, has twin engines already making 2000 hp.
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Germany in general had really awful management of their war production, and their fuckups in that regard tended to squander time, manpower, and resources.
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Grand Prize Winner posted:What does iron sand look like? Is it the black sand you see every once and a while on beaches? Is it reddish showing a lot of oxide? Black supposedly but where I live, black sand isn't iron sand, it's coal. Because downshore from Newcastle and Durham there's so much mining runoff from the old coal works that the beaches wash up a regular amount of fine coal grains even now. Which you can then scrape off the sand and burn as fuel quite handily.  You also get it further up in Scotland on the Firth of Forth because there's big exposed coal seams on the seafloor. It probably crops up in other parts of the world too. Phi230 posted:What is a blast furnace and what are its advantages that make steel production faster or easier or what? Pffffff now I'm trying to remember chemistry. From what I recall a blast furnace is so named because you blast air into it to get it really hot and to purify the iron. It's good because you never turn it off, really. You can keep feeding it coke and iron ore and it separates out the slag and the iron into layers, so you can pour off the slag or the steel separately because it gets really hot. Hot enough to liquidize the iron which a traditional furnace doesn't do. In fact if you do turn it off for any reason it generally completely shags it, because the mess cools inside and then you've got a really big tank of solid metallic rock in the middle of a building. So keep it fed. So no matter what kind of ore you've got, the blast furnace means you can separate out the impurities and the slag easily, and you're left with just high carbon pig iron which you can then alloy further down the line into whatever kind of steel you want. It makes it easier to make large amounts of homogenous iron for processing into steel by adding the right stuff to it. With blooms you're reliant on getting some steel basically by hoping that the stuff you put in naturally alloys when you heat it, and it's very variable. This is why you get stuff like pattern welded steel in old swords because the smith has taken a bunch of different steel blooms and worked them all together to get enough to make the sword/to get the desired amount of flex/hardness, but this produces the weird marbley look on the finished product.  You also get a similar effect in say, axe heads, because axe heads are made by taking a big chunk of iron or mild steel, and then you split it open on the business end with a wedge while it's hot, then you hammer in a chunk of really hard steel and bash it back together again. This gives you a bimetallic blade which has a very hard cutting edge but the rest of it is flexible enough to not crack or snap under impact, because obviously axes are quite a high impact tool/weapon. Also means you can use soft iron for the bulk of the tool while retaining the performance of steel. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Disinterested posted:Can you stop wrapping infantile attempts at snipes in long questioning posts and shut the gently caress up already. You know, this threads erasure of non-stalinist socialism is loving revolting, and criticizing it is not infantile - even if Phi is bad at posting. I'm pretty disappointed in peeps here, and I personally won't be told off 
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Ainsley McTree posted:everybody in pre-modern history was a caterpillar No wonder their shoes were so simple
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Tias posted:You know, this threads erasure of non-stalinist socialism is loving revolting, and criticizing it is not infantile - even if Phi is bad at posting. I'm pretty disappointed in peeps here, and I personally won't be told off It's not 'erasure of non-stalinist socialism' to accept that people who supported stalin - which was a lot of people - and turned a blind eye to his crimes were communist. Rather the complete opposite: You can't accept the historical reality that there's a pretty profound debate back then - and even today - about what a communist is, and what steps are acceptable on the road to communism, and then turn around and intone that stalin and all of his supporters across the world "weren't communists" because they did bad things. The acceptance of the huge mistakes of communists and the mainstream communist movement in that period is actually pretty much necessary to understand the nature of leftwing resistance to Stalin. You too are bad at posting. EDIT: Your posts in this discussion were terrible. quote:Pro-tip: If actual communists disavow a regime that called itself communist, then it probably was not communist. Gosh, "actual communists". I'm really glad that we can have some 'actual communists' tell us who is and isn't an 'actual communist'. Now if only we can find some actual communists to find those actual communists. Fangz fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Germany in general had really awful management of their war production, and their fuckups in that regard tended to squander time, manpower, and resources. I used to do WWII reenacting as Soviet and, yes, German if the group needed opponents. You should see the German uniforms. They're an overly complicated disaster. Anyone who says "Germans were efficient" should be slapped with a feldbluse.
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Tias posted:You know, this threads erasure of non-stalinist socialism is loving revolting, and criticizing it is not infantile - even if Phi is bad at posting. I'm pretty disappointed in peeps here, and I personally won't be told off As a general note if you want to view a world that slowly moves towards communism one has to address the fact that the only attempts that seemed to have lasting power all ended up being this horrifyingly oppressive states.
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Nebakenezzer posted:The engine thing is really significant, as other posters have already said. Doing some reading around for Sky Trucks, I noticed the C-46 Commando, a prewar transport design, has twin engines already making 2000 hp. And the C-46 was designed to do exactly what Germany wanted of their 'heavy medium bomber' - have the same capabilities as Curtiss' competitors' four-engined airliners (Boeing Stratoliner and Douglas DC-4) but with only two engines. The concept wasn't inherently bad, just the engine technology wasn't there for Germany at the time. British aircraft builders struggled along the same line, but fortunately earlier along in the process. A slew of twin-engine heavy bombers were bet on the success of the Rolls-Royce Vulture - a 1750hp X24. The Vulture could never be made to work reliably, with the service examples being limited to 1400hp. But because the Air Ministry wasn't ideologically tied to twin-engine bombers when the Vulture proved a dud they just upped the engine count to use Merlins - so the pretty terrible Avro Manchester became the very capable Avro Lancaster. The Vickers Warwick switched to using P&W Double-Wasps, the same power units as the C-46 (and of course importing better engines was not an option available to Germany) but proved an operational dead-end in any case. And while the existing German engines soon hit the limits of their development a lot of the Allied engines were able to be developed and evolved, so by 1942 the DH Mosquito was packing 3000hp from two Merlins and could carry more payload a greater distance than a B-17G.
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Tias posted:You know, this threads erasure of non-stalinist socialism is loving revolting, and criticizing it is not infantile - even if Phi is bad at posting. I'm pretty disappointed in peeps here, and I personally won't be told off Lol
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BalloonFish posted:And the C-46 was designed to do exactly what Germany wanted of their 'heavy medium bomber' - have the same capabilities as Curtiss' competitors' four-engined airliners (Boeing Stratoliner and Douglas DC-4) but with only two engines. The concept wasn't inherently bad, just the engine technology wasn't there for Germany at the time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Allies have a significant advantage over Germany in their access to higher-octane fuel?
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Hunt11 posted:As a general note if you want to view a world that slowly moves towards communism one has to address the fact that the only attempts that seemed to have lasting power all ended up being this horrifyingly oppressive states. I think that non-oppressive left states all getting undermined either violently or otherwise has something to do with the oppressive ones seemingly lasting longer, and plays a factor in the transition towards authority in other states Phi230 fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Tias posted:You know, this threads erasure of non-stalinist socialism is loving revolting, and criticizing it is not infantile - even if Phi is bad at posting. I'm pretty disappointed in peeps here, and I personally won't be told off Oh I'm on the same page as you about that, I just don't think there's a fruitful discussion of it to have here and so I'd rather see the people trying to keep the slapfight alive just stop.
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I also agree but uh, weren't we specifically having a discussion about the Stalinist Soviet Union w r t warcrimes prosecutions?
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Basically all this is to say the R-2800 was a Good Engine
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I also agree but uh, weren't we specifically having a discussion about the Stalinist Soviet Union w r t warcrimes prosecutions? How were the prosecutors and judge panels selected
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Disinterested posted:Oh I'm on the same page as you about that, I just don't think there's a fruitful discussion of it to have here and so I'd rather see the people trying to keep the slapfight alive just stop. Yeah don’t take silence as endorsement of a side, just an endorsement of this being a lovely argument.
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Hunt11 posted:As a general note if you want to view a world that slowly moves towards communism one has to address the fact that the only attempts that seemed to have lasting power all ended up being this horrifyingly oppressive states. This falls into the trap of saying that something must have lasting power to be legitimate from a political and social point of view. The revolution in Spain organized over six million people in free, democratic communism, but hey, because capitalists and fascists got them killed, this must not be communism somehow  Fangz posted:It's not 'erasure of non-stalinist socialism' to accept that people who supported stalin - which was a lot of people - and turned a blind eye to his crimes were communist. Rather the complete opposite: You can't accept the historical reality that there's a pretty profound debate back then - and even today - about what a communist is, and what steps are acceptable on the road to communism, and then turn around and intone that stalin and all of his supporters across the world "weren't communists" because they did bad things. Yes, good thing that wasn't what I did then. Disinterested posted:Oh I'm on the same page as you about that, I just don't think there's a fruitful discussion of it to have here and so I'd rather see the people trying to keep the slapfight alive just stop. I guess you were right. At least I know where not to bring it up again 
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I also agree but uh, weren't we specifically having a discussion about the Stalinist Soviet Union w r t warcrimes prosecutions? StandardVC10 posted:Basically all this is to say the R-2800 was a Good Engine Yes
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Do I have to post about how V.T. Fuzes operated per my US explosives manual?
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Comrade Gorbash posted:Does anyone know a good source for post-WWII paratrooper operations? I know that French used them extensively in Vietnam and Algeria, and that there were combat jumps in Korea. But I haven't really found much beyond the basic accounts of numbers and places, etc - no more than what Wikipedia would have, essentially. Another combat jump was made by the Dutch in Indonesia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Kraai
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Related, and more on topic (?), I read Orwell's Homage to Catalonia a while back, and I was wondering if there were any other military units organized along similar lines to the anarchist militias, and if there are any studies and books for that sort of thing?
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