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Impermanent posted:serve the people programs. start with transportable / easy to pick up stuff like brakelights or service assistance initiatives where you go in and sign people up for stuff they are eligible but don't know how to get. Use the goodwill and trust to set up listening forums and and get community involvement and investment in neighborhoods in setting up larger scale STP programs with gradually more militant political demonstrations. You don't need the support of the entire community, but a visible and dedicated 10 percent or so will do for now. You replicate this across a number of neighborhoods and towns. and build up a durable, organized community mass that can fight and provide continuous, direct pressure - that allows you to get candidates you actually have a leash on. You can even start unionizing in union-unfriendly places with this level of buy-in. You can provide real, tangible direct material benefits to the poorest members of communities with this amount of support. What if you're doing both
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Vhak lord of hate posted:RL just visited Harvard to give a speech! Can't wait to hear the good rear end praxis he spits! haven't watched this myself so can't judge if that characterization is accurate, but fwiw https://twitter.com/meshuggeknight/status/931562115588124677
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re: quorum problems Is it really necessary for people to vote in person? Does any chapter do any sort of absentee voting for really big issues? Giving people better access to voting is a good idea for politics and someone should probably put it forward for DSA so we don't look like hypocrites.
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absentee balloting by mail is relatively expensive both cost wise and time wise to prepare and count the votes electronic voting has info sec issues that require lots of time and effort to make sure someone can’t hijack your election through a security issue my chapter passed a dumb resolution at our convention to investigate these as possibilities and I know that the committee is gonna come back with “its hard and expensive for an organization of our size and limited resources”
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Barry Convex posted:haven't watched this myself so can't judge if that characterization is accurate, but fwiw Could someone sum this hour-long speech up for me
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Could someone sum this hour-long speech up for me fucken nerd goes to harvard and reads books and talks about the things he learned from them
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long-rear end nips Diane posted:What if you're doing both EBDSA is under fire because leadership of that institution specificially pushed to do the canvassing thing and pushed against STP - same with momentum on the NPC. they actively don't want STP stuff to happen.
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Impermanent posted:EBDSA is under fire because leadership of that institution specificially pushed to do the canvassing thing and pushed against STP - same with momentum on the NPC. they actively don't want STP stuff to happen. What's their anti-STP argument? I've seen murmurs of it around, but don't really understand what the objection to it could be.
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Impermanent posted:serve the people programs. start with transportable / easy to pick up stuff like brakelights or service assistance initiatives where you go in and sign people up for stuff they are eligible but don't know how to get. Use the goodwill and trust to set up listening forums and and get community involvement and investment in neighborhoods in setting up larger scale STP programs with gradually more militant political demonstrations. You don't need the support of the entire community, but a visible and dedicated 10 percent or so will do for now. You replicate this across a number of neighborhoods and towns. and build up a durable, organized community mass that can fight and provide continuous, direct pressure - that allows you to get candidates you actually have a leash on. You can even start unionizing in union-unfriendly places with this level of buy-in. You can provide real, tangible direct material benefits to the poorest members of communities with this amount of support. And this is exactly what RL has been working to do, down to trying to organize a nationwide mutual aid working group. I don't think it's born much fruit however, aside from the continued popularity of brake light events across the DSA. Part of the problem with trying to organize this at the national level is that it's very much ground-level activism, most of the direction is going to have to come out of the local group responding to the needs of their community. Zikan posted:absentee balloting by mail is relatively expensive both cost wise and time wise to prepare and count the votes DSA SF recently passed a resolution allowing for electronic voting on certain initiatives and we've built functionality for handling those votes into our membership portal. So far we've only used it once, to vote for our mascot (Racoon won). I don't know if it's ready for prime time yet, but all of our tools are or will be open source.
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taco_fox posted:re: quorum problems we've had proxy votes where someone signs a statement saying this is their vote and another member brings it to the meeting
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I must be having a brain fart. What is STP?
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Impermanent posted:EBDSA is under fire because leadership of that institution specificially pushed to do the canvassing thing and pushed against STP - same with momentum on the NPC. they actively don't want STP stuff to happen. where do we find this important info. east bay is my local and (while i havent been to anything in a couple months) i havent heard of this
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Impermanent posted:serve the people programs. start with transportable / easy to pick up stuff like brakelights or service assistance initiatives where you go in and sign people up for stuff they are eligible but don't know how to get. Use the goodwill and trust to set up listening forums and and get community involvement and investment in neighborhoods in setting up larger scale STP programs with gradually more militant political demonstrations. You don't need the support of the entire community, but a visible and dedicated 10 percent or so will do for now. You replicate this across a number of neighborhoods and towns. and build up a durable, organized community mass that can fight and provide continuous, direct pressure - that allows you to get candidates you actually have a leash on. You can even start unionizing in union-unfriendly places with this level of buy-in. You can provide real, tangible direct material benefits to the poorest members of communities with this amount of support. check it out: you can do both and they really have no negative impact on each other!
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Impermanent posted:EBDSA is under fire because leadership of that institution specificially pushed to do the canvassing thing and pushed against STP - same with momentum on the NPC. they actively don't want STP stuff to happen. well the response to that isn't that they should stop doing canvassing edit: the boston local has an electoral working group that handles canvassing, and other working groups that work on mutual aid projects. and they both exist in the same chapter, and people sometimes focus on one, and sometimes they focus on the other, and the really involved people do both.
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Shear Modulus posted:where do we find this important info. east bay is my local and (while i havent been to anything in a couple months) i havent heard of this for starters, it's the reason the communist caucus of ebdsa was founded.
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Nov 17, 2017 22:23
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there is a single ur-tactic that once you force everyone to do it, will instantly convert everyone to communism
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Ruzihm posted:I must be having a brain fart. What is STP? Serve The People. It's stuff like the brake light clinic or the Black Panther's breakfast programs for kids.
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STP=Serve The People (I think?) ESDSA definitely has problems with that though, they don't want to endorse anything that isn't directly related to M4A. There's a break light thing in Oakland this weekend but you won't find any mention of it on the EBDSA twitter account even though it was started by the EBDSA Legal committee, they had to make their own account to do it.
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empireofcrime posted:What's their anti-STP argument? I've seen murmurs of it around, but don't really understand what the objection to it could be. Near as I can tell: 1. It's not canvasing for healthcare, which is the only thing the chapter as a whole has voted to support and the only thing the currently leadership believes is worth committing chapter resources toward doing. 2. Some concern about the optics of a mostly-white organization doing work in predominantly PoC neighborhoods, i.e. white savior syndrome. 3. The danger that we'd be doing feel-good charity work which addresses spot problems but doesn't build power or lead to any wider political agenda. It's not an entirely good-faith objection. EBDSA has a very centralized power structure and there is a faction that is pushing for greater democracy and transparency -- this faction just happens to have a lot of overlap with the people who want to do mutual aid and serve-the-people programs. So the whole issue has become a bit of a political football, which is a shame. We just want to fix some brake lights.
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the national DSA POC caucus has written a petition about how rear end-backward the anti-STP 'white saviorism' argument is.
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sounds like u have a leadership problem, not a canvassing problem...
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yeah outreach in predominately POC neighborhoods seems like it would solve the mostly white org problem
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I helped write that petition, I think it's pretty good. And yeah. I'm not really interested in electoral work/healthcare canvassing but I'm not gonna stop people from doing it or anything, but unfortunately that's been wrapped up in personality and political conflicts (and some amount of racism from some members of leadership tbh). But tomorrow me and the prison abolition caucus and the communist caucus and people from the entire bay area are gonna change some motherfucking brake lights in East Oakland and that will be very cool and good, imo
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Karl Barks posted:sounds like u have a leadership problem, not a canvassing problem... I also have an abstract problem with canvassing in that I don't think it's that effective, but if that were the only issue I wouldn't really care. I don't make it my job to go around and stop people from doing ineffective things. My original post was on canvassing was about EBDSA - whose leadership I do have a problem with.
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Impermanent posted:the national DSA POC caucus has written a petition about how rear end-backward the anti-STP 'white saviorism' argument is. If you're talking about this, it was actually written by PoC comrades organizing the brake light event the East Bay and then circulated nationally in response to the erasure they felt from leadership over this issue.
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dc does tenants rights canvassing for people facing potential eviction and it’s been very effective
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Baby Babbeh posted:If you're talking about this, it was actually written by PoC comrades organizing the brake light event the East Bay and then circulated nationally in response to the erasure they felt from leadership over this issue. link doesn't seem to work
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Zikan posted:dc does tenants rights canvassing for people facing potential eviction and it’s been very effective different canvassing context - they do a lot of 'reach-in'.
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Impermanent posted:different canvassing context - they do a lot of 'reach-in'. Can you explain the difference between the two?
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Agean90 posted:should probably be "hey your membership runs out next month/week" emails. make it easy, like a subscription renewal: if you want to renew just check this box and hit reply and we'll send you an invoice with no interruption of membership in the meantime, or if you want to pay now just click this link etc.
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Annual Prophet posted:make it easy, like a subscription renewal: if you want to renew just check this box and hit reply and we'll send you an invoice with no interruption of membership in the meantime, or if you want to pay now just click this link etc. we don’t have the web infrastructure for that this isn’t a joke
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Shear Modulus posted:link doesn't seem to work Try this one
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dsa sf doesn't have quorum issues because we only do quorum of active membership. if you have been to 2 of the 3 previous months general meetings, or if you are named as active by one of the cochairs of any working group or committee, you are considered active. we do have a couple laptops you can log in at for generals (which don't show what anyone else entered), and then you have to tell a cochair of any committee or working group that you want to be considered active if you don't meet the general meetings requirements to be active.Baby Babbeh posted:DSA SF recently passed a resolution allowing for electronic voting on certain initiatives and we've built functionality for handling those votes into our membership portal. So far we've only used it once, to vote for our mascot (Racoon won). I don't know if it's ready for prime time yet, but all of our tools are or will be open source. that wasn't the first electronic vote, the votes for our steering committee and our delegates to the convention were electronic vote as well. we have recently moved all discussion on bylaws to an online members-only thing to prevent all of the general being just bylaws. Edit: I guess that even though we used the online voting system for steering committee and delegates, you still had to be physically present to get the code to vote fermun has issued a correction as of 22:55 on Nov 17, 2017 |
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Impermanent posted:different canvassing context - they do a lot of 'reach-in'. i'm not sure canvassing is what you think it is
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I may not have the permissions to share it or something, I dunno. I don't use google forms.
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thanks, this one worked. i read it and generally agreed with it i hope that there is some electoral opposition from these folks in the next east bay election not signal-boosting cool things members are doing via the chapter's social media is really dumb
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Baby Babbeh posted:I may not have the permissions to share it or something, I dunno. I don't use google forms. there was a rogue " at the end of your url
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Zikan posted:dc does tenants rights canvassing for people facing potential eviction and it’s been very effective I'd love to hear more about this if you have more info!
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Zikan posted:dc does tenants rights canvassing for people facing potential eviction and it’s been very effective yeah i've seen a few people cite aclu/dsa/etc reminders of their rights as to why they still have homes, it's good stuff
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Goon Danton posted:I'd love to hear more about this if you have more info! um there’s a handbook (that is specific for dc law) that we put out but basically it goes like this 1. go to public court case website and note upcoming eviction cases in the docket 2. meet up with canvassers and briefly train them and hand out turf 3. knock on said eviction cases, attempt to inform them of their potential eviction, the basics of how to fight it in court, and the rights that they posses 4. hope people exercise said rights 5. GOTO 1 the idea is that these prosecutors on these lower courts from the slumlords usually don’t have the resources to fight a case and just depend on getting a default judgement from the defendant now showing up. the whole process slows down the eviction process and can lead to slumlords dropping cases out of cost/benefit reasons or getting judgements against them for violations they have like cracking lead paint etc.
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