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sexpig by night posted:I really hope the next movie they do a deep dive for is some crazy Christian schlock like God's Not Dead. God's Not Dead is like The Room of terrible evangelical movies, it's so well-known and well-trodden that really what can you say about it that hasn't already been said? American Carol was kind of fun during the Obama years but now that conservatives are back to their "you MUST respect the office of the president even if you don't agree with him" mantra it's just a sad parade of dead and disgraced actors you probably had genuine affection for at some point spouting garbage. It's like going to Thanksgiving with grandparents who went crazy from Fox News, only your grandpa is Leslie Nielsen.
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Nov 18, 2017 17:34
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too bad trillbillies ended/is on indefinite hiatus champagne sharks is regularly quite good but they also have audio issues almost all the time. the latest episode has what sounds like someone crinkling a plastic wrapper almost the entire time the guest is talking
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Nov 18, 2017 17:54
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I hear that Kirk Cameron Christmas movie is a loving trainwreck that's basically a lecture about how the consumeriffic side of Christmas is actually good and Jesus wants you to buy a bunch of poo poo.
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Nov 18, 2017 17:57
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PostNouveau posted:I hear that Kirk Cameron Christmas movie is a loving trainwreck that's basically a lecture about how the consumeriffic side of Christmas is actually good and Jesus wants you to buy a bunch of poo poo. lol the Peanuts Christmas special from 1965 is more pious than the current religious right
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Nov 18, 2017 18:08
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Serf posted:too bad trillbillies ended/is on indefinite hiatus Wait, what? I thought they were just taking a break until next year?
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Nov 18, 2017 18:34
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Serf posted:too bad trillbillies ended/is on indefinite hiatus I haven’t gotten into Trillbillies but I have been interested. What’s up?
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Nov 18, 2017 18:37
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WrightOfWay posted:Wait, what? I thought they were just taking a break until next year? Yeah they didn't end they're taking the holiday season off.
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Nov 18, 2017 19:05
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Breadallelogram posted:God's Not Dead ALSO ends with a lovely concert? Yup, and one of the Duck Dynasty guys tells everyone at the concert to text everyone in their contacts list “God’s not dead.” Guy Mann posted:God's Not Dead is like The Room of terrible evangelical movies, it's so well-known and well-trodden that really what can you say about it that hasn't already been said? An American Carol ends with a concert too, iirc, because Trace Adkins is the Ghost Of America Future. In a movie that has Kelsey Grammer and Jon Voight, the part that requires the most acting presence is given to a country singer. The only good thing about An American Carol is a background gag of the Hollywood sign instead reading “ALLAH AKBAR.”
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Nov 18, 2017 19:17
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graventy posted:Yeah they didn't end they're taking the holiday season off. they said they might come back
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Nov 18, 2017 20:06
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Crisco Kid posted:Man. As much as I appreciate the rowdy left push Chapo provides, the more I listen, the more impatient I get with the hosts' narrow world view. I love them, and it ain't their fault they're mostly mid-western/north-east middle class young white dudes who occasionally have on women and other races, but this movement is important to me. I've been listening for two years but don't follow weird twitter or this thread religiously, so I'm just unironically saying that it would be cool to put our money where our mouth is and talk with people where it matters. Not to poo poo on the parade here, but I'm in the US South and most of our People's Alliance organizers are older Black women. These boys are educated as hell, but sometimes they don't know what the gently caress they're talking about. I love Chapo but they're mostly full of poo poo when it comes to this topic. They rode to popularity by being a cathartic voice for the left during a time where the mainstream left-leaning party was not listening to them and no one was saying what Chapo was saying. If you took Chapo out of the 2016 election cycle and transplanted them to today, they wouldn't be nearly as popular. It's dumb to expect too much from a podcast and a bunch of dirtbags but this out that people want, that they're just a comedy podcast, is bullshit. Go back and listen to the post election episode where Virgil gives this weepy talk about how people are going to need Chapo during the Trump presidency, go back and listen to the Adam Curtis episode. Go read Christman's AMA where he mentions an incoming Chapo website where they will host and signal boost leftist writers. They clearly are and want to be more than a ~*~ comedy podcast ~*~ but they maintain the cop-out of being such in order to deflect current and future criticisms and responsibility. I don't blame them for this but dipshit fans need to stop echoing it.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:11
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iirc they said that chapo wouldn't last in a trump presidency because they're not saying anything that anyone else isn't already saying. being the criticism to clinton's left flank was kinda their whole deal
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Nov 18, 2017 20:13
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Smaller targets, such as Chapo, are nice as they will more than likely respond. Elevating them is cathartic for their critics.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:20
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They are a comedy podcast. Comedy is useful for its ability to dismantle power, which was/is needed to make room for new organizing. It's not very useful for actually building things up. They've made good attempts to figure out where they can fit in to constructive efforts, boosting and hosting organizers and theorists. Ultimately though, it's a project named in parody of extreme performative masculinity and steeped in too-online irony. They won't escape being a comedy podcast.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:53
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Serf posted:iirc they said that chapo wouldn't last in a trump presidency because they're not saying anything that anyone else isn't already saying. being the criticism to clinton's left flank was kinda their whole deal This episode 55 minutes in https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-58-we-live-in-the-zone-now-111216 Just a ~*~ comedy podcast ~*~ Yeah... sure...
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Nov 18, 2017 20:53
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sleeptalker posted:They are a comedy podcast. Comedy is useful for its ability to dismantle power, which was/is needed to make room for new organizing. It's not very useful for actually building things up. No one is saying they aren't and can be a comedy podcast. I am saying it's a dumb way to deflect anyone asking more of them when they're perfectly positioned to do the more people are asking of them while also being a comedy podcast. I'm also saying that I don't believe they believe they're just a comedy podcast. Their fans believe it and maintain it.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:54
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The dry boys' refrain is that listening to any podcast, including their own, is not politics. One of Matt's comments during the very first episode is that catharsis (from a late night comedian) is bad because it diffuses tension and energy which can go towards Actually Doing Politics. Virgil's point in his sincere post-election speech is that people will "need" Chapo to feel that they aren't alone is an explicit statement that "you are not alone" is probably the unspoken motto of any podcast, and it's important when the world becomes confusing and frightening. They can't be the end-all podcast because they can only lean on their strengths. They are just a comedy podcast, but they can listeners to other voices and plans of action that they can't fulfill themselves, and I don't see anything wrong with a listener discarding a ladder after they've climbed up it.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:55
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In summation, Chapo can't be expected to be the Mahdi form Dune.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:56
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Huzanko posted:This episode 55 minutes in https://soundcloud.com/chapo-trap-house/episode-58-we-live-in-the-zone-now-111216 sorry, i was thinking of their election night video but yeah, they really are just a comedy podcast because nothing they do is actually like affecting anything, it's just there to laugh at in these hosed up times. if people take what they hear and use that as a reason to get involved, that's cool, but the podcast is not politics
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Nov 18, 2017 20:57
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Uranium posted:In summation, Chapo can't be expected to be the Mahdi form Dune. Well duh we have the Daou of Politics for that.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:59
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How is mahdi formed? how is mahdi formed how dune get verdant
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Nov 18, 2017 21:02
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sexpig by night posted:I really hope the next movie they do a deep dive for is some crazy Christian schlock like God's Not Dead. i dunno the last episode was kind of a slog because they were just recapping every plot point of a lovely movie with the occasional joke thrown in the only lesson to be gained from all the direct to video conservative media stuff is the reason conservatives are shut out by the liberal hollywood elite is because they're incompetent at producing media and not some ideological agenda amber made the most salient point of the episode early on that evangelical culture has zero quality control
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Nov 18, 2017 21:06
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Huzanko posted:No one is saying they aren't and can be a comedy podcast. I guess I don't see that "more" is legitimately what's being asked of them. It seems more like people asking, "why haven't you done an episode on THIS currently relevant leftist issue?" right after they do an episode on a different currently relevant leftist issue. They can't really cover everything and be a comedy podcast.
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Nov 18, 2017 21:17
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listen to street fight radio
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Nov 18, 2017 21:19
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Crisco Kid posted:Man. As much as I appreciate the rowdy left push Chapo provides, the more I listen, the more impatient I get with the hosts' narrow world view. I love them, and it ain't their fault they're mostly mid-western/north-east middle class young white dudes who occasionally have on women and other races, but this movement is important to me. I've been listening for two years but don't follow weird twitter or this thread religiously, so I'm just unironically saying that it would be cool to put our money where our mouth is and talk with people where it matters. Not to poo poo on the parade here, but I'm in the US South and most of our People's Alliance organizers are older Black women. These boys are educated as hell, but sometimes they don't know what the gently caress they're talking about. Comparing Chapo to what the Crooked Media guys are doing is nonsense. Crooked media was formed by 4 high level white house staffers who have had the support and participation of essentially the entire democratic party. They are not forming a coalition as much as energizing one that already existed. And even then, they did it because of the access that they had to pretty much every single big name democratic and media person out there. Chapo, by being more leftwing, is not going to have access to anywhere near the same amount of people. Even then, they've done an incredible job of recruiting people for the DSA and of amplifying important leftwing voices (how many people here followed Ricky Rawls, RL Stephens, Roqayah Chammseddine before they were guests).
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Nov 18, 2017 21:23
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Breadallelogram posted:God's Not Dead ALSO ends with a lovely concert? Saving Christmas isn't actually about the War on Christmas, not even a little bit. And it ends with the most painfully white thing I've ever seen committed to film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0PIT8pkCfQ
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Nov 18, 2017 21:41
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Halloween Jack posted:Saving Christmas isn't actually about the War on Christmas, not even a little bit. And it ends with the most painfully white thing I've ever seen committed to film. I can't do it. My skeleton is trying to leave my body 15 seconds in.
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Nov 18, 2017 21:53
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Complaining about Chapo not doing enough to advance left politics in America is like complaining that Mystery Science Theater 3000 doesn't do enough to create quality cinema.
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Nov 18, 2017 22:04
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Saving Christmas is literally a movie about how the most Christ-like way to cherish Christmas is to spend thousands on decorating your huge house and filling it with presents to impress your friends and also white guy rap. Like, it's such an odd duck that there's a literal scene where a guy rants about 'the war on christmas' and our cool guy protagonist just goes 'uh huh, right buddy' before telling people that buying a very large tree is what Jesus would do because...the cross...was made from...wood. Kirk Cameron is legally mentally unfit I think.
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Nov 18, 2017 22:45
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sexpig by night posted:Saving Christmas is literally a movie about how the most Christ-like way to cherish Christmas is to spend thousands on decorating your huge house and filling it with presents to impress your friends and also white guy rap. I love how American Protestantism is just a collection of heresies.
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Nov 18, 2017 22:48
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sexpig by night posted:Saving Christmas is literally a movie about how the most Christ-like way to cherish Christmas is to spend thousands on decorating your huge house and filling it with presents to impress your friends and also white guy rap. From what I understand the plot is: Rich Christian guy has a crisis of conscience when he realizes he's living in a huge house with 2 fridges full of food and spending thousands on presents and parties even though basically the only thing Jesus ever preached was "give all your money to the poor." He wants to cancel his huge Christmas party, but then Kirk Cameron convinces him that materialism is the light and the truth.
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Nov 18, 2017 22:50
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PostNouveau posted:From what I understand the plot is: yea that's basically all it is. A dude feels guilty at being what most would call obscenely wealthy while going to church every sunday and hearing about how Jesus tells his followers to spend their obscene wealth they may accrue on helping their fellow man and not on giant parties. He then gets a 90 minute pep talk from Kirk about how ACTUALLY nothing's wrong and you're MORE Christian for being obscenely wealthy. Like, if there was even a bit about 'but yea it's objectively good to support the poor, consider giving some money to charity especially around the holidays' or if it ended with some cheesy 'and then he took his big fancy party to the local soup kitchen to share their food and pitch in' it'd be a generic Christian holiday movie but Cameron actively rejects that chance every time. It's amazing.
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Nov 18, 2017 22:56
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Oh, also it's SAINT Nick, so Santa's really a Christian symbol. Anyway, this would be an excellent Chapo Christmas Special.
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Nov 18, 2017 22:59
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Huzanko posted:No one is saying they aren't and can be a comedy podcast. id rather the podcast be good than it save the world thanks
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Nov 19, 2017 06:31
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Farm Frenzy posted:id rather the podcast be good than it save the world thanks You know what podcast thinks it's gonna save the world? Pod Save America.
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Nov 19, 2017 16:32
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Halloween Jack posted:Saving Christmas isn't actually about the War on Christmas, not even a little bit. And it ends with the most painfully white thing I've ever seen committed to film. I think this might be raw white guilt compressed into video form. sexpig by night posted:You know what podcast thinks it's gonna save the world? Pod Save America. 
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Nov 19, 2017 16:39
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Halloween Jack posted:Saving Christmas isn't actually about the War on Christmas, not even a little bit. And it ends with the most painfully white thing I've ever seen committed to film. This is why I think we need to make the war on Christmas a reality.
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Nov 19, 2017 17:28
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this movie just sounds like Kirk Cameron trying to convince himself that he isn't a piece of poo poo
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Nov 19, 2017 18:13
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CortezFantastic posted:this movie just sounds like Kirk Cameron trying to convince himself that he isn't a piece of poo poo it's absolutely that yea. If I recall it came out around the same time he did his dumbass banana stuff and really started pushing for his own christian tv channel and poo poo and everyone was saying 'if you genuinely believe in this why are you just trying to profit off everything you do'.
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Guy Goodbody posted:I love how American Protestantism is just a collection of heresies. Well you’re not supposed to outright admit that you’re basically worshipping American capitalism. It’s why there’s big enough Christian backlash to the prosperity gospel vultures.
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