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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Angepain posted:Really isn't all language mashed-up bullshit? Makes you think. Heck look at the English verb "to be": you have like four different forms that are supposedly the same verb (be/been/being; am/are, was/were, is). The explanation is linguistic is suppletion, the idea that you had several synonymous but separate verbs and eventually they got mashed together into a single one because people started to always use one verb for a specific person/tense combination and another verb for another combination. Also English is an especially mashed-up language because it's basically a creole of North Frisian, Old Danish, and Old French. Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Oct 14, 2017 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Heck look at the English verb "to be": you have like four different forms that are supposedly the same verb (be/been/being; am/are, was/were, is). The explanation is linguistic is suppletion, the idea that you had several synonymous but separate verbs and eventually they got mashed together into a single one because people started to always use one verb for a specific person/tense combination and another verb for another combination. That's more because the world and his wife invaded Britain and settled. They usually tried imposing their own language, or speaking it among themselves still, but eventually they realised that it's a bit hard to rule people if they can't understand what you're telling them to do.
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Oct 14, 2017 19:14
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Is anybody here joining Eddi Reader’s boycott of Spanish products? https://twitter.com/eddireader/status/922094408677371904
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Oct 22, 2017 16:37
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Breaking troubling news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-41748874 quote:A popular fizzy drink that has been produced in north east Scotland for decades has been discontinued, the manufacturers have announced.
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Oct 25, 2017 19:53
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Who cares, Garvies of Milngavie still make the energy drinks that make my morning shifts survivable. Scotland prevails
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Oct 26, 2017 22:01
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So I still had a vote in this very important matter of our current Labour Party leadership election. Thread consensus was for Leonard and it doesn't seem possible for a lazy online submission for my preferred candidate Jackie Baillie, although Anas Sarwar comes a lose second as incarnation of everything which is wrong with Scottish politics. This election is double-secure! No internet vandalism afforded here bevause there are double security codes! https://i.imgur.com/q2FpUZA.png Looked at in isolation the respective candidates' prospective manifesto statements appear as a battle between good and evil whereas it's a close-run thing between Leonard's 'I would do everything the SNP are already doing, but with my demonstrably-incompetent friends in charge' and Sarwar's 'raise child benefit by £10/week to solve poverty and have no other policies which require the use of the Scottish Parliament'. Readers, I voted for him. Though not being a liberal it's not forever on my soul, and I've canceled the relevant union's subscription. Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Oct 29, 2017 |
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Oct 29, 2017 17:52
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sadly the cops won't be shutting Stu Campbell up (this time) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-41832155 A spokesman for the Met said: "Police in Southwark investigated an allegation of online harassment against a woman, aged in her 30s, over the past two years. "On 18 August a man aged in his 40s was arrested at an address in the Avon and Somerset area on suspicion of harassment and malicious communications. "He has now been informed that he is released with no further action."
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Nov 1, 2017 12:57
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Scottish Labour leadership announcement live now https://www.facebook.com/ScottishLabourParty/videos/1568008166624711/ No leader announced yet. Maybe scot lab won't be as poo poo anymore? who knows
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Nov 18, 2017 12:07
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It's Richard Leonard. Good stuff. Didn't hear the exact percentages because the guy kept talking through the applause but I'm sure someone will have it somewhere.
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Nov 18, 2017 12:16
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Won with 56.7% to 43.3%. Very good news for Leonard, though that margin shows he's gonna need to do some aggressive consolidation of power to fend off any Blairite coups.
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Nov 18, 2017 12:25
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Good news for Coohoolin - now he can support a socialist led party which has a reasonable chance for victory and governance, without any qualms.
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Nov 18, 2017 12:29
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mediadave posted:Good news for Coohoolin - now he can support a socialist led party which has a reasonable chance for victory and governance, without any qualms. Whoa whoa, let's not go nuts here. It's still Scottish Labour we're talking about. A party that only matches their hatred of the SNP by their hatred of each other.
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Nov 18, 2017 12:44
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Leggsy posted:Won with 56.7% to 43.3%. Well that was quick
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Nov 18, 2017 13:40
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PUUUUUURRRRRGEEEEE
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Nov 18, 2017 13:42
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Scotlab... good???
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Nov 18, 2017 13:54
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Not Operator posted:Scotlab... good??? I know "Hope is a lie" has been abandoned for the UK thread but I'm not quite ready to retire it for Scottish Labour yet
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Nov 18, 2017 14:11
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Angepain posted:I know "Hope is a lie" has been abandoned for the UK thread but I'm not quite ready to retire it for Scottish Labour yet I firmly expect Scottish Labour to go through a trial by fire similar to Corbyn.
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Nov 18, 2017 14:20
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Haven't even the centrists been making GBS threads all over Dugdale about this TV stuff? I think there's a lot of bad feelings towards her at the moment because they are pissed off she resigned and thrust this leadership election on them.
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Nov 18, 2017 15:04
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Leonard has the advantage that ScotLab have such a pathological hatred of the SNP that if he attacks them from the left the Sarwar crew will fall in behind him anyway.
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Nov 18, 2017 15:33
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Anything is better than that chucklefuck of human scum Sarwar.
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Nov 18, 2017 17:56
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hyper from Pixie Sticks posted:Leonard has the advantage that ScotLab have such a pathological hatred of the SNP that if he attacks them from the left the Sarwar crew will fall in behind him anyway. If Scotlab can credibly start tacking left and clear out some of the useless rot in their command structure (ie anyone who has contributed to or supported a decision they've made in the past 5 years) - and that's a pretty big if - Scottish politics could get very interesting.The SNP wind up in the very difficult position of having to maintain their big tent of support while also being attacked from the left and the right by competent opposition - they've coasted on "not being the Tories" and "being progressive compared to Labour" for quite some time. They'll need to rely on support that puts nationalism above conventional left/right ideological concerns - extremely difficult with independence still too toxic to really pursue. I also think the Ruth Davison party is far too self congratulatory with seizing second place - they're also benefiting from a wide Unionist tent, and the Tory brand nationally continues to poo poo not only the bed but the entire bedroom (overflowing into the hall). The left in Scotland failed to see the Tory surge coming - they won't have that advantage again, and that Scottish seats are currently allowing May's government to exist provides a hell of an incentive.
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Nov 18, 2017 20:24
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I did like when Leonard and Sarwar were doing a debate and they both answered the question "how would you deal with the constitutional issue" by basically saying "Labour needs to be super unionist" so that'll be helpful, definitely.
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Nov 18, 2017 21:07
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Coohoolin posted:I did like when Leonard and Sarwar were doing a debate and they both answered the question "how would you deal with the constitutional issue" by basically saying "Labour needs to be super unionist" so that'll be helpful, definitely. It's weird that socialists wouldn't be hardcore nationalists.
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Nov 18, 2017 21:13
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:It's weird that socialists wouldn't be hardcore nationalists. Your insinuation only really applies to one side of the debate.  
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Nov 18, 2017 21:19
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Coohoolin posted:I did like when Leonard and Sarwar were doing a debate and they both answered the question "how would you deal with the constitutional issue" by basically saying "Labour needs to be super unionist" so that'll be helpful, definitely. I too looked at this election debate at took away that this was the most pressing issue on Scotland today. Wait, no I didn't because I'm not an idiot nationalist.
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Nov 18, 2017 22:31
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forkboy84 posted:I too looked at this election debate at took away that this was the most pressing issue on Scotland today. So you think it's a winning strategy for Scotlab to go hard unionist?
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Nov 18, 2017 23:09
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Coohoolin posted:Your insinuation only really applies to one side of the debate. "Union flags, therefore no Scottish nationalism", says the man who won't vote Labour because they aren't embracing Scottish nationalism. ContinuityNewTimes fucked around with this message at 00:21 on Nov 19, 2017 |
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Nov 18, 2017 23:35
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Coohoolin posted:So you think it's a winning strategy for Scotlab to go hard unionist? Most SNP voters aren't actually that fussed about nationalism so when offered a serious domestic policy alternative and a realistic proposition of there being a Labour government in Westminster that'll be pretty attractive to a lot of people. The success of independence beyond the nationalist core has always been predicated on the idea that Tories are in permanent rule because of the south.
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Nov 18, 2017 23:36
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Coohoolin posted:So you think it's a winning strategy for Scotlab to go hard unionist? I think your concern for Labour election strategy is as sincere as the average Pissflaps post.
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Nov 18, 2017 23:39
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Coohoolin posted:So you think it's a winning strategy for Scotlab to go hard unionist? please don't try to be pissflaps but in the other direction
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Nov 18, 2017 23:42
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Wouldn't "hard unionism" be in favour of abolishing devolution anyway? What a load of bollocks.
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Nov 18, 2017 23:45
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:"Union flags, therefore no Scottish nationalism", says the man who won't vote Labour because they aren't embracing Scottish nationalism. Those are better together campaigners, the point was about British nationalism.
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Nov 19, 2017 01:23
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Coohoolin posted:So you think it's a winning strategy for Scotlab to go hard unionist? Scottish people don't want independence.
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Nov 19, 2017 01:37
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Coohoolin posted:Those are better together campaigners, the point was about British nationalism. I see, not being a nationalist party is bad because British nationalism is bad.
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Nov 19, 2017 02:13
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Coohoolin posted:Your insinuation only really applies to one side of the debate. Your regular reminder that during the latter half of World War II the SNP were sending out leaflets calling for "another Bannockburn" and exhorting the people of Scotland to "go into battle [...] for the reconquest of Scotland". Lewis Spence, founder of the Scottish National Movement, was a colossal anti-Semite. And of course, let's not forget the Scots Order.
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Nov 19, 2017 02:22
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Jedit posted:Your regular reminder that during the latter half of World War II the SNP were sending out leaflets calling for "another Bannockburn" and exhorting the people of Scotland to "go into battle [...] for the reconquest of Scotland". Lewis Spence, founder of the Scottish National Movement, was a colossal anti-Semite. And of course, let's not forget the Scots Order. The Scottish nationalist movement is inclusive and international these days.
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Nov 19, 2017 02:24
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Jedit posted:Your regular reminder that during the latter half of World War II the SNP were sending out leaflets calling for "another Bannockburn" and exhorting the people of Scotland to "go into battle [...] for the reconquest of Scotland". Lewis Spence, founder of the Scottish National Movement, was a colossal anti-Semite. And of course, let's not forget the Scots Order. Literally none of this matters unless you're making the argument that the SNP are still an explicitly racist/anti-Semitic party. I don't like Coohoolin's example at all but at least it was recent. Your examples just remind me of when Republicans bring up segregation in southern states as if to say "You see! The Democrat's were and still are the party of racists!"
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Nov 19, 2017 10:07
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Leggsy posted:Literally none of this matters unless you're making the argument that the SNP are still an explicitly racist/anti-Semitic party. I don't like Coohoolin's example at all but at least it was recent. Your examples just remind me of when Republicans bring up segregation in southern states as if to say "You see! The Democrat's were and still are the party of racists!" When the modern SNP repudiate the forefathers of the movement, I'll listen. But while Mosley was driven out of British politics after the war, the SNP made Arthur Donaldson party leader in the 1960s. Any dimunition of racism in the SNP happened much later, and was if anything more an effect of Salmond mimicking Thatcher's reshaping of the Tories. And there will always be that core movement who hate the English, because it's the cornerstone of the party.
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Nov 19, 2017 12:05
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Coohoolin posted:Your insinuation only really applies to one side of the debate. This does reflect v badly on Scottish culture tbh. Mortifying to think of what any tourists who witness such spectacles must think 
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Jedit posted:And there will always be that core movement who hate the English, because it's the cornerstone of the party. or in other words, "the core movement does and will always exist, because I hate them"
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