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Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

LGD posted:

the genuine advantage they have over, say, a paper currency issued by a man in your town who wears a tinfoil hat and believes himself to be the god emperor of the universe is that you've got a pretty good upfront guarantee of how the money creation process will work on an ongoing basis if your friends and neighbors decide to start using it for whatever reason

Slander Emperor Norton's good name at your peril sirrah.

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a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless

Mumpy Puffinz posted:

did anyone say buttcoin yet?

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

Oh my god!

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Adar posted:

really?

Yes, really. There are numerous cheap ways to transfer money between the UK and the US, and bitcoin is only one of them if you ignore the additional time and cost of converting bitcoin to and from other currencies. This won't be a working example unless you can easily do things like pay rent or a mortgage directly in bitcoin

So we're at 0 still, but I asked for 5...

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

QuarkJets posted:

So we're at 0 still, but I asked for 5...

Drugs, weapons, sex trade, child porn, botnets

Bitcoin wins again

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

Inept posted:

Drugs, weapons, sex trade, child porn, botnets

Bitcoin wins again

Bitcoin!

mojo1701a
Oct 9, 2008

Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth


But has anyone said Bartcoin?

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Inept posted:

Drugs, weapons, sex trade, child porn, botnets

Bitcoin wins again

*illicit purchases* and *ransomware* would be 2, but bitcoin purchases aren't actually anonymous and people get hosed all the time for broadcasting their illicit purchases onto a tamper-reisistent public ledger, so maybe that's actually just 0.

"Easier to catch criminals who don't understand the problem in using a public ledger" could be 1

QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Nov 19, 2017

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.

mojo1701a posted:

But has anyone said Bartcoin?

Bortcoin?! You got to be kidding me...

Stefan Prodan
Jan 7, 2002

I deeply respect you as a human being... Some day I'm gonna make you *Mrs* Buck Turgidson!


Grimey Drawer

Solice Kirsk posted:

Bortcoin?! You got to be kidding me...

My coin is also named Bort

putin is a cunt
Apr 5, 2007

BOY DO I SURE ENJOY TRASH. THERE'S NOTHING MORE I LOVE THAN TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE BIG SCREEN AND EAT A BIIIIG STEAMY BOWL OF SHIT. WARNER BROS CAN COME OVER TO MY HOUSE AND ASSFUCK MY MOM WHILE I WATCH AND I WOULD CERTIFY IT FRESH, NO QUESTION

Uranium 235 posted:

Ethereum recently upgraded their transaction speed and they complete in minutes now. If you need to send money overseas then just use eth if it's an option

Oh, you mean the currency that just had 300 million dollars accidentally eradicated?

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

Oh, you mean the currency that just had 300 million dollars accidentally eradicated?

Parity is the best wallet to use. Gavin Wood himself started the company, you know.

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

Stefan Prodan posted:

My coin is also named Bort

Were you talking to me?

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

divabot posted:

Parity is the best wallet to use. Gavin Wood himself started the company, you know.

thats his real life name? and he's not a gay porn star? What a waste

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Mumpy Puffinz posted:

thats his real life name? and he's not a gay porn star? What a waste

That's Doctor Lance Thrust to you.

Minimalist Program
Aug 14, 2010

mojo1701a posted:

But has anyone said Bartcoin?

Tell me more about bartcoin

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!
I have personally made more money from Bitcoin than a lot of the enthusiasts, without ever having touched one:

MarketWatch: The reasons Americans give for buying bitcoin show they have no idea what they’re doing

quote:

Three-quarters of bitcoin holders could not identify a sound financial reason for investing, two-thirds said they hadn’t locked in a nickel of profits even as the price of the token rocketed skyward, and more than half said they didn’t worry about the technology security of their bitcoins — even though hundreds of millions of dollars of the tokens have already been stolen by online hackers.

CassandraZara
Oct 21, 2012

by Nyc_Tattoo

divabot posted:

I have personally made more money from Bitcoin than a lot of the enthusiasts, without ever having touched one:

MarketWatch: The reasons Americans give for buying bitcoin show they have no idea what they’re doing

If it really means anything that you've made a mid-four-figure amount from Bitcoin (and it must because you keep repeating it), you should know that Adar has made millions from poker (including a piece of a poker site), prediction markets, and other speculative investments.

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
thats cool but he isnt using that figure as to back up the worth of his statements as part of his own reasoning. its more of an indulgence of following the reasoning of people who think they cant be wrong because number go higher

Adar
Jul 27, 2001

QuarkJets posted:

Yes, really. There are numerous cheap ways to transfer money between the UK and the US, and bitcoin is only one of them if you ignore the additional time and cost of converting bitcoin to and from other currencies. This won't be a working example unless you can easily do things like pay rent or a mortgage directly in bitcoin

So we're at 0 still, but I asked for 5...

it took me five years to accept rationality had lost so I don't blame you, but you'd think that after I posted multiple actual cases from experience your reply would be something better than "well there are other better ones because I said so. you're still at zero, checkmate :smug:"

I'll freely admit it actually doesn't matter either way because the current size of the bubble means we're not here to talk about whether bitcoin is hypothetically useful to anyone any more than the goons in the doobie thread are there to talk about hot dogs. but at the end of the day, doobie still has a bunch of their money, and when this bubble is over, a lot of money will still be redistributed. if you're looking at a 220 billion combined market cap and thinking 'wow, every single one of these fools will go broke forever' you're doing it wrong.

divabot posted:

I have personally made more money from Bitcoin than a lot of the enthusiasts, without ever having touched one:

good thing I'm not an enthusiast. checkmate :smug:

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
were you 2 even talking to each other about who has more money or more bits at some point?

Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

People like posting doom and gloom stories about bitcoin at length, thanks to r/buttcoin posts, so I'll start passing along some positive ones:

quote:

Regular lurker here but this is a throwaway account for privacy reasons. Also, English is not my first language.

Between mid-2012 and early 2013, I was lucky and forward-thinking enough to have bought around 200 BTC. Fast forward today, my investment of less than $6,000 is now worth around 1,8 million dollars (on paper and before taxes, considering both BTC & BCH).

Nobody knows this, including my wife, and I'm thinking about telling her. It's an insane amount for sure, but perhaps still not life-changing or enough to live off interest: we are in our mid-thirties and we don't own a house yet (we rent and we are planning to buy one for around $300k-$350k), married since 3 years, one kid. We both work, I'm self-employed in marketing ($30k-$50k/year, highly variable) and she is an employee ($25k/year, stable).

Different post:

quote:

My BTC, which I've held for only 3 years, are today officially worth more than my 10+ years of investing into my 401(k).

And another, titled "Bitcoins saved my mom's life"

quote:

Hello Bitcoin Folks,

Yesterday, my mom did a surgery (kidney transplantation) successfully, all the costs came from my 9 Bitcoins.. I am really happy for the success of the surgery also for my Bitcoins that was really did a great Job

I bought those BTCs from $600 and sold in $7500

I am ready to re invest in BTC as soon as I got

I am living in Kurdistan, which is under a bad economic situation

ask me anything

Sorry for my bad English

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
"reddid/buttcoin posts :jerkbag:"
*copies and pastes reddit/bitcoin posts*

Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

gary oldmans diary posted:

"reddid/buttcoin posts :jerkbag:"
*copies and pastes reddit/bitcoin posts*

There are hundreds and hundreds of buttcoin posts here, and people have asked endlessly "where are the people that made money!!" Well, here are some

vortmax
Sep 24, 2008

In meteorology, vorticity often refers to a measurement of the spin of horizontally flowing air about a vertical axis.
The first two haven't made poo poo until they get the actual money out.

PS you ever going to give those citations I kept asking for?

Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

vortmax posted:

The first two haven't made poo poo until they get the actual money out.

PS you ever going to give those citations I kept asking for?

To the guy that says "Oh I'm just here to make fun of you" and fucks off every single time I respond? Lol dude just keep doing your dumb burns

vortmax
Sep 24, 2008

In meteorology, vorticity often refers to a measurement of the spin of horizontally flowing air about a vertical axis.

Ham Sandwiches posted:

To the guy that says "Oh I'm just here to make fun of you" and fucks off every single time I respond? Lol dude just keep doing your dumb burns

Tell me, in which peer-reviewed journals have you been published? I want to know more about your research.

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005

Ham Sandwiches posted:

There are hundreds and hundreds of buttcoin posts here, and people have asked endlessly "where are the people that made money!!" Well, here are some
the part before the "and" and the part after the "and" here is your crazy shining through again. i guess its interesting seeing how your fantasies supersede reality though

Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

gary oldmans diary posted:

the part before the "and" and the part after the "and" here is your crazy shining through again

There have been lots of posts asking "Where are the stories of people actually making money without getting scammed", and of course it turns out you're a piece of poo poo that calls people crazy for having a different opinion on cryptocurrencies than you.

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005
no youre crazy for living in a fantasy world and it turns out you probably need real help
i think early on i had a slight notion that the concept of a cryptocurrency would really appeal to certain kinds of crazy people but i didnt think id get to see it

Minimalist Program
Aug 14, 2010
I bought at 5k, sold at 7.2k and made 3k and it was aight. my Overstock stock isn't doing too hot and will probably crash when their ICO fizzles but its still fun.

Tiberius Christ
Mar 4, 2009

lol no one says you can't make money with bitcoin they said you shouldn't

however have i ever told you about avon? its a bold way for smart self-entrepreneurs like yourself to make MILLIONS! I heard one guy bought a self-jacking yacht with all the money he made! all you have to do is just keep shoveling in money and someday you'll be able to retire at 13!

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005

Tiberius Christ posted:

however have i ever told you about avon? its a bold way for smart self-entrepreneurs like yourself to make MILLIONS! I heard one guy bought a self-jacking yacht with all the money he made! all you have to do is just keep shoveling in money and someday you'll be able to retire at 13!
but the government can track your avon money. i only purchase things with cryptocoins that i mined myself. luckily my tinfoil supplier takes bitcoin but i have to find used copies of catcher in the rye to buy with fiat

Ham Sandwiches
Jul 7, 2000

Tiberius Christ posted:

lol no one says you can't make money with bitcoin they said you shouldn't

however have i ever told you about avon? its a bold way for smart self-entrepreneurs like yourself to make MILLIONS! I heard one guy bought a self-jacking yacht with all the money he made! all you have to do is just keep shoveling in money and someday you'll be able to retire at 13!

"To the guy that has 2 million dollars in assets off a $6k buy in - you shouldn't have done that, Avon would have been better" forums poster Tiberius Christ

Minimalist Program posted:

I bought at 5k, sold at 7.2k and made 3k and it was aight. my Overstock stock isn't doing too hot and will probably crash when their ICO fizzles but its still fun.

P cool that you made some money and had some fun.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Adar posted:

if you're looking at a 220 billion combined market cap

then you're using a meaningless number.

"Market cap", calculated from multiplying today's rough price for a token by the total number of tokens, doesn't tell you anything useful - it's not an amount you could realise if you sold them all, it's not an amount you could buy out a whole coin for, it's not an amount that people put into it.

It's a number that's easy to calculate and headline-friendly, but it isn't useful, because trading is so thin.

If you want a useful number to compare coins, the daily trading volume would approximate interest level in a coin. (Coinmarketcap shows this.)

The only time "market cap" could be a useful number is for a tiny altcoin, because it'll be in the range of the approximate cost of mounting a 51% attack (as has happened more than once).

grellgraxer
Nov 28, 2002

"I didn't fight a secret war in Nicaragua so you can walk these streets of freedom bad mouthing lady America, in your damn mirrored su
Them Europeans just captured some illicit bitcoin.

"In a simultaneous blitz, Dutch cops arrested eight men, three of them Irish, as they seized 175 kilos of cocaine, cannabis, vacuum-packed cash, computers, encrypted phones and €3million worth of the bitcoin cryptocurrency. And in follow-up searches in Dublin yesterday, another three men were held when gardai nabbed heroin worth €500,000, three imitation firearms and €6,000 cash in a series of raids."

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1813113/...onal-crackdown/

Comfy Fleece Sweater
Apr 2, 2013

You see, but you do not observe.

I made like 80 dollars from bitscoin and they’re in my bank account as cold
Hard fiat, yet I’m extremely worried about taxes and what the gently caress I have to do or maybe I’ll just ignore it and wait for the feds to hunt me down like a dirty animal

COMRADES
Apr 3, 2017

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Adar posted:

it took me five years to accept rationality had lost so I don't blame you, but you'd think that after I posted multiple actual cases from experience your reply would be something better than "well there are other better ones because I said so. you're still at zero, checkmate :smug:"

I'll freely admit it actually doesn't matter either way because the current size of the bubble means we're not here to talk about whether bitcoin is hypothetically useful to anyone any more than the goons in the doobie thread are there to talk about hot dogs. but at the end of the day, doobie still has a bunch of their money, and when this bubble is over, a lot of money will still be redistributed. if you're looking at a 220 billion combined market cap and thinking 'wow, every single one of these fools will go broke forever' you're doing it wrong.

My accusation was that you hadn't done sufficient math nor sufficient research, and you don't seem to have countered that accusation except to say "nuh-uh"...

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QuarkJets
Sep 8, 2008

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

I made like 80 dollars from bitscoin and they’re in my bank account as cold
Hard fiat, yet I’m extremely worried about taxes and what the gently caress I have to do or maybe I’ll just ignore it and wait for the feds to hunt me down like a dirty animal

It is pretty easy to figure out your tax obligation, assuming you bought the bitcoins. If you mined them then it's a little harder but not too bad. If you got paid in bitcoins for mining altcoins with Nicehash then lol good luck

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